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ThinkSecret's iPod Rendering

Your not a US Marine, are you "MacQuest" ? Its just that you seem to be dishing out a lot of friendly fire today. Perhaps your understanding of what people are saying has been lost in the "fog of war!"

We all know this is a site for rumour discussion, but if you can't discuss the issues around the formulation of news and information without resorting to personal insults then you should you should perhaps elect for an "honorable discharge." 😉

All I did was ask the same questions of "Macrumors", as "Macrumors" prides itself in asking of other sites! That's it!

Anyway, I quite like the speculated-over design. I would, however, like an audio-in facility.

-pinks
 
Re: Button layout and USB 2.0

Originally posted by Sol
...By the way, the rumored button layout resembles the interface of the QuickTime player. This in itself may spark new rumors about a vPod...
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Hmmm...having checked all the rumor sites, it does strike me as odd that none of them have even speculated on color capabilities.

Considering that one of the main features of iCal is color coded calendars, and that one of the main selling points of the iPod is it's ability to view iCal information, this would be a huge benefit.

Not to mention that it would be really cool to watch the video of the song you're listening to.😀

Don't flame me about this either!😡There are plenty of people who would make use of the color video playback capabilities in one way or another. Or at least the ability to color code other information stored on your iPod.😎

Here's to dreaming...🙂
 
New iPods?

Is it just me, or is the jogwheel superfluous if the buttons on the drawings are for real? Doesn't the jogwheel consist of those buttons but in a circle?

I haven't got an iPod myself, but it would seem to be a minor update if all Apple were doing was to increase the disk space. There has to be something else after all this time Apple has spent deliberating over these changes – built in FM or digital radio anbody?😕
 
Are looks that important?

I own a 20G iPod and think the controls are just fine (the remote is too basic, however). What I don't like is the rather poor sound quality compared to the comptetition (iRiver, Archos). I can't understand why people get upset about some extra buttons. I mean, do you spend more time looking at the iPod or listening to music?
My top priorities for a revised iPod are better sound quality and a better remote.
 
Now that's more like it.

See what Ritalin and a little rest will get you? You're tone seems to be a lot more calm now.😉


Originally posted by pinks
...Perhaps your understanding of what people are saying has been lost...
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I know exactly what you're saying. You simply need to take things in stride and not take them so literally...from a rumor site nonetheless. Regardless of whether you choose to see arn as having used a poor choice of words [which is at most what it was] you just...need to "chill".🙂

I really am concerned, because your previous posts sounded like you were going to self inflict a cerebral aneurysm at the thought of not knowing who/what arn's source is.

Have you now come to the realization that you, a "newbie" [whether or not you've been reading these posts for awhile now], have no right to demand something from arn, MacRumors' "God", that he would never have a reason to give anyone unless he sees it fit to do so? Also that, right or wrong, MacRumors [as well as the other rumor sites] will go on whether these iPods ever materialized or not? Even if there is some lost credibility?


Originally posted by pinks
We all know this is a site for rumour discussion...
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Very good...


Originally posted by pinks
...but if you can't discuss the issues around the formulation of news and information without resorting to personal insults...
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You should really go back and read your former posts. They were unnecessarily alarmist and insulting in nature because of your demand for information that you, or anyone of us, have any right to be privy to.


Originally posted by pinks
All I did was ask the same questions of "Macrumors", as "Macrumors" prides itself in asking of other sites! That's it!
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It's not always what you do, it's how you do it. BTW, why are you so worried about what MR ASKS of other sites? Not DEMANDS, asks. If in fact arn or MacRumors staff do forcefully demand info. I'm sure that it is in the best interest of their reputation [which is NOT at stake because "you say so"] as well as our education. Now read the first line of this paragraph again because "Repetition Works".

I was genuinely concerned that you were in some way hurt by not being "in the know" of this iPod release information. Almost like a frustrated member, or even moderator, of a not so prestigious rumor site.😉


Originally posted by pinks
Anyway, I quite like the speculated-over design. I would, however, like an audio-in facility.

-pinks
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I agree. Unless audio-in is a major selling point for the iPad/PowerPad that will be released on April 28th as well...This information "is indeed accurate"...😉

Have a good day "pinks". 🙂
 
People seem to be missing their heads...

As for the GB size issue, Apple was selling 20GB iPods for the same price as the 30 will probably be, so what's the issue? 6000 songs not enough? I have a LaCie FireWire drive -- 80GB for $200, and it's build like a brick s__thouse and weighs about as much as one too. If you're that concerned about size, just buy a LaCie.


I admit when I saw the illustrations I thought to myself "why put the buttons so far away from the scroll wheel? Man this thing is going to suck to try to use, it's not going to work...

...then I came to my senses -- has Apple ever put out a product that was hard to use or harder to use than that which came before?

I think just because we're looking at mockups of it doesn't mean we automatically know how it's going to work in our hand.

I trust Apple not to fudge this one up.
 
Dude, calm down guys! This isnt the end of the world. Remember when APPLE58 (or whatever his name was) showed us exclusive pics of the new powermac, and everyone whined that it wasnt true, then they flamed APPLE58 saying that it wasnt true, then they bitched about the "poor" design. This is a perfect example of what a few of you have just done in this thread.

Now this doesnt apply to everyone, just the people mentioned above. Seems to me that you guys bitch that you cant get substanciated (sp?) rumors, then when you get them, you totally bitch about how they are not true.

You people are a bunch of hypocrites! This is a good thing! Were getting new ipods, something everyone has wanted for months. Were getting a higher amount of gigs for less the cost. Did I hear AAC and USB2 also?

Stop whining about stuff just so you can whine, because it makes you all look like children.

WOHOO IPODS!!! 🙂

bye
 
Any bets on whether or not older iPods will fully upgrade to the new iPod OS -- via firmware upgrade or whatever?

I have a 10GB with the mechanical scroll wheel. I wouldn't mind having a 30GB with a touch wheel, but not at the expense of the button layout -- that's not whining, it's my personal preference.

I do think I'll want AAC and the new iPod OS, but my bet is that it will be available via a firmware upgrade.
 
If this rumor turns out to be true (and from what I've seen, that's very likely) I'll kiss a toad (since I'll be so high on joy).

I've been waiting for the new iPods to come out since Christmas. I can finally get my Christmas present!

On a more serious note... do you people think that Apple is still gonna stick with white Lucite? I hope they replace the darn mirror back with something like brushed aluminum.
 
Question about USB 2.0

I'm still a novice when it comes to the hardware end of the Mac so perhaps someone can answer me this question...

If the iPod came with a USB 2.0 adapter on the base station (or wherever) would this mean that either

a: People with older macs who didn't have FireWire cards could use the iPod though at much slower USB 1 speeds?

and

b: Could the iPod be used as a backup hard drive to connect to older Apple computers (ie: blueberry ibook) that didn't have firewire as well?

Are USB 2.0 and 1 compatiable? I've heard different answers to this question and didn't know if anyone here could tell me for sure. If so I'd buy a new iPod just for that ease of data transfer and backup.

Thanks,
 
Re: Question about USB 2.0

Originally posted by KLFloyd
If so I'd buy a new iPod just for that ease of data transfer and backup.
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I think USB 2 is backward compatible, but if you've never transferred more than couple megabytes over USB 1, you'll soon discover it's so slow, it's almost worthless.
 
Re: Re: Question about USB 2.0

Originally posted by sanford
I think USB 2 is backward compatible, but if you've never transferred more than couple megabytes over USB 1, you'll soon discover it's so slow, it's almost worthless.
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Oh I undesrtand that it's insanley slow (and remember when it seemed so fast?) The only other mac I have here for backup is an old blueberry iBook. If for some reason my shiney new TiBook crashes and dies it would be nice to at least be able to recover the essential information off my iPod as the iBook has now FW. (Of course I make CD backups and all but still).

I'd like to buy a Lacie USB/FW external Hard Drive for just that occasion, but now that the new iPods seem to finally be coming out, I think that's going to have to be my first new purchase! 🙂
 
lol

Originally posted by SoonToGetAMac
Mabye they'll also be softkeys in the new iPod OS.
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Softkeys, eh? Considering that all the address book info is in the iPods, maybe this is the rumored iPhone ;-) when I hear softkeys, I always think of cell phones.

Imagine... a 30GB iPod/iPhone 🙂 It's about the right size for a slightly bulky phone.

Crazy speculation of course... personally I liked the styling of the old button arrangement, but agree that it wasn't all that great in actual use (playing with them at the store - a little out of my price range). I kept hitting the scroll/touchwheel when trying to move to the next track and blasting my ears with a sudden volume increase.

I'd have to play with the new ones to see if the layout works okay, but I don't think Apple is stupid (despite what some have said) and I'm sure they researched this at least a little.

And I might be a newbie, but I know from reading long before joining that if Arn says something definitively he's probably right. Like others, the 12 & 17" Powerbooks stand out, but there are lots of other examples as well.
 
i'm a n e w b i e

i've been reading for a while, and seeing as i'm a *newbie*, i don't know if this sort of post is looked down apon (as much as *first post!!!* anyways), but holy cow! some of you people really need to get a life! or maybe a job! or both!

my first complaint of complaints:
you're complaining about spacing of buttons being to far away on a device that is currently about the size of a deck of cards! think about that for more that 3 seconds!

my second complaint of complaints:
how many of you talk and type before you think?
how many times has it been said that firewire isn't going anywhere, usb2 is not concidered by apple as threat to fw (and it's not). just a lot of little things like that, where ppl just seem to be whining about everything that pops into their head, and before they stop to think about it, they write it down, because it really sounded good at the time.

of course, i still may be one of those people that needs to get a life, seeing as i'm still here reading every last post... hmm...

matt


oh, and just to add some speculation... i haven't heard a single thing about the ipod concerning fw800... doesn't that seem at least a little bit reasonable to bring out on a new ipod revision when you concider that apple just recently (well it feels recent anyways) brought out fw800 on the 17 albook?

just a thought

matt
 
Colour for iPod

Originally posted by MacQuest
Hmmm...having checked all the rumor sites, it does strike me as odd that none of them have even speculated on color capabilities.
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Considering that even the GameBoy has a colour screen (now illuminated too!) it would seem right for the iPod to get one too. The extras like calendars, address book, etc would surely benefit from the use of colour. Being able to select a colour sceme for the interface would make using the device even more personal... and what is a music collection if not personal? It would also be an amusing gimmick to have an oscilloscope visualizer ala iTunes on the little screen. After all, with two CPUs in the iPod there is a lot of wasted processing power and this would be a great way to utilize some of it.
 
Re: 40GB mods?

Originally posted by centauratlas
I am somewhat surprised they'd go without a 40GB drive given that they are available...
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If they roll out AAC with these new versions, that would give you much more capacity than a 40GB without it...! 😀
 
Softkeys on iPod?

Originally posted by SoonToGetAMac
Mabye they'll also be softkeys in the new iPod OS.
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I was reading through this thread and thinking the same thing...
I use my 20gig iPod on business travel, and often just scroll through, pick a song and hit the center button to start playing - if I jump around, I'll navigate solely with the scroll wheel. When I decide to fast forward (scan) through any song, I'll pick my iPod up again and go for the cue/ffwd key. So, it doesn't necessarily have to be around the scroll wheel, it could just as easily be below the screen.

Perhaps the artist rendering is simplified and the menu key along with other keys are still around the scroll wheel and the four buttons are indeed soft-keys that could access iCal and palm-like functions? Color would be nice too - the greenish B&W display when the backlight isn't on doesn't really go well with the nice white color of my iPod. If they get rid of the Chrome back, I'll have to start carrying a mirror around to check my teeth after lunch for bits of spinach - ugh!

-AC
 
Re: Re: 40GB mods?

Originally posted by iAndy
If they roll out AAC with these new versions, that would give you much more capacity than a 40GB without it...! 😀
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If you don't care about the quality of your music. Since my HD-based mp3 player is my primary interface all of mp3s are ripped with very high VBR settings which make them significantly larger than a normal CBR 128 or 192 (and sometimes 256) CBR mp3. This means these portable players hold a lot less than the number of songs quoted in PR materials. A tradeoff worth making, for sure, but remember more disk space is always better because it gives everyone more options.

Apple really should slap in the largest drive they can, even if it is only a sepcial edition iPod.
 
Re: Re: Re: Question about USB 2.0

Originally posted by KLFloyd
If for some reason my shiney new TiBook crashes and dies it would be nice to at least be able to recover the essential information off my iPod as the iBook has now FW.
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Oh that makes much more sense. You would be backing up via Firewire and only in the event of catastrophe would you have to load via USB. Yeah, that should be no problem; it would be slow, but you'd still get your data back; and hopefully the situation would never arise, anyway.
 
Originally posted by melchior
the whole ipod has blue leds under the casing that makes the whole thing glow. it's true. i swear.
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That would actually be kind of nice with an ambient light sensor 🙂
 
Re: Button layout and USB 2.0

Originally posted by Sol
The USB 2.0 part of the rumor is a bit odd. Apple does not support the connection for any of its products and for good reasons too. For one, an iPod connected via USB 2.0 would not recharge its battery through it like it does with FireWire. Perhaps the proposed docking station would take care of recharging with an AC adaptor but that would take away from the simplicity of the iPod.
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This is the same thought that I had and posted to another mac forum. I think the new iPod will have contacts on the bottom that connect to the dock and the dock will be USB2 in the windows version and firewire in the Mac version. This would be similar to the HP PocketPC I have from a few years ago that could work with either a serial or a USB dock.

The dock would accomplish two things: more connectivity options and charging when 6-pin firewire isn't used (because the AC adapter could connect to the dock). With all the dual USB2/Firewire drives out there, I think this would be relatively easy to build.

And I think I would like the new buttons. They seem more functional to me, even if they are less aesthetically pleasing.
 
Originally posted by vniow
😛uke:

If in fact that is real, I'm going to go looking for a used/refurbished one.

Blech.
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Why? If you red the article only the 15 and 30 gig get the new design, the 10 gig will stay as is but have a lowered price.

Ah, the joy of reading.
 
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