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Thinner 15-Inch MacBook Pro Coming with Retina Display and USB 3.0?

bdavis89 said:
Any true "pro" uses a 17 inch screen anyways. I'm an auditor, and we're constantly moving our computers and external monitors, and we have 17 inch hp computers. We need the real estate. Nobody who is working on a laptop should be using anything less than 17 inches. Maybe Apple has realized this and is removing things like the Ethernet from the 13 & 15 inch models.
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Been downvoted so much so probably heard it all, but I'll add to why this is such an ignorant comment:

I know someone who is a professional film editor, ie it's his job, he doesn't just pirate FCP and call himself a pro. He's one BAFTAs, RTS awards etc etc for his editing.
And guess what? A lot of it is done on a 15" screen. So no, not everyone needs 17" screens.
 
Peace said:
I have a router with 4 ethernet cables routed to areas of my house.

Now. If Apple comes out with the new WiFi standard I could see a reason to ditch the ethernet.
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Would you like to explain to us how this has anything to do with logging to a secure ethernet only corporate network that a pro machine requires? Would you also like to explain to us how this has anything to do with connecting to a conference ethernet only infrastructure at some hotel or conference center? There are other uses you know for apple's machines that don't involve people visiting your place. :rolleyes:
 
Ryth said:
Um...the ODD is gone...that means more room for bigger batteries and dedicated graphics.

Regarding the Steve Jobs comment...those engineers are still there and do you really think they just said "f' it...Jobs is dead now...now we don't have to push the envelope"

These comments are so stupid.
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Yes, the same engineers that presented the stuff that Jobs turned away are still there.

I love people like you that hide behind the anonymous Internet to throw criticism. Try acting like an adult.
 
shurcooL said:
I don't understand why so many people have this attitude...
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That is your problem.

shurcooL said:
...Apple is removing legacy things and ADDING NEWER MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES ... that are much better/faster/smaller
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The App Store is certainly NOT "better/faster/smaller". Downloaded files from the App Store are 20-50 percent larger, than necessary, because Apple uses old BZIP2/ZLIB compression instead of LZMA/LZMA2. Software updates are also larger, than necessary (although XAR (Apples .pkg file format in Mac OS X 10.5.x and newer) supports LZMA).

shurcooL said:
If you want legacy ports, buy legacy computers, not computers that aren't even released yet. It's not hard to buy a MBP from 2011 today or tomorrow.
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You think this an argument?
 
whiteonline said:
Ok...gotta vent.

In regards to the "Pro" moniker:
- It's been well established that Apple is now a consumer oriented company. "Pro" is nothing more than a word to justify a more expensive product.

Retina Display:
- I'm tossed on this one. I don't see it going in properly. It may make it into the new MBP, but my worry is battery life will suffer. I just wish they would provide proper resolutions as the default with existing LCD panels.

Apple's biggest asset was Steve Jobs saying no and making seemingly unreasonable demands to push the engineers to make a better product. Without that, I am definitely going to wait and see what happens.
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You're all wrong. "Pro" was used to define freelance "artists," "filmmakers," and "photographers" who were essentially consumers, not corporate office-workers. Those people used IBMs.

We now live in a recession, so there are no more people who can afford to be artists. Thus, there are no artists now and there is no need for the "Pro" moniker anymore.
 
Peace said:
Why ?
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Talk to your works IT department, they'll explain :), cause your ether very naive or joking with a comment like that!

Mad Mac Maniac said:
Hmm... interesting. That may be true, but I'm sure there are troubleshooting solutions that don't require plugging in an ethernet cable. I would argue that most people don't even own an ethernet cable anymore... I think I may still have one laying around somewhere, but it'd probably take me all day to find it. So then your options would be troubleshoot with other methods, or go buy an ethernet cable, and while your at it you can buy the adapter dongle as well.
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No, call your ISP and they will most likely tell you to test your laptop els ware or won't offer help, then again EVERY ISP in the UK that supplies a router modem will also supply an ethernet cable and they expect you to keep it. But also if you call your ISP for a slow speed issue, same thing, they won't help if they cannot see a problem and you cannot use ethernet. Wireless is NOT as secure and IS slower, fact!
 
7enderbender said:
It's really stunning how obviously a lot of Apple enthusiasts are really the kind of CoolAid drinkers they're often accused to be. Anything that is older than the attention span of the MP3/MacBook-at-Starbucks/ADHD generation obviously is useless and needs to be eliminated for something new and "advanced" (which of course can only come from Apple).

Well, guess what. If you start living in the real world outside of a college dorm - you know, the places where you work for your money and tax revenue is generated - you'll notice that VGA ports for instances are still very necessary. You'll find cables to plug in for you presentation in pretty much every conference room in the world. So for your MacBook you then need an adapter. If you forget it you can then email your PowerPoint presentation to a colleague with a PC laptop that still has such an ancient port. That is if you brought your Ethernet to Applebolt adapter because you don't have access rights to the encrypted corporate network. If by then you still have a job and were able to give your colleague the PPT presentation all your little graphics and pictures are all over the place and won't display at all because the standard PowerPoint isn't quite as advanced as you with all your little "QuickTime" gizmos.

But hey, who wants top be a corporate stiff anyway. So you'll be a photographer or music producer. Ooops. Now we're back to square one where you need a designated FireWire port that unlike USB has designated bandwidth in one direction and doesn't trip over moving a mouse or some data colliding with your external scratch disk.
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Thats when you go in and explain how dated their systems are and how much it's costing them to keep the outdated hardware and software and convince them to upgrade to iPads and MBAirs.
 
GREEN4U said:
You're all wrong. "Pro" was used to define freelance "artists," "filmmakers," and "photographers" who were essentially consumers, not corporate office-workers. Those people used IBMs.

We now live in a recession, so there are no more people who can afford to be artists. Thus, there is no more need for the "Pro" moniker.
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Really? If I call the IT support desk for my workplace, I have to select weather it's a Windows or Apple machine. MANY businesses use Apple for other things then editing photo's.
 
whiteonline said:
Ok...gotta vent.

In regards to the "Pro" moniker:
- It's been well established that Apple is now a consumer oriented company. "Pro" is nothing more than a word to justify a more expensive product.

Retina Display:
- I'm tossed on this one. I don't see it going in properly. It may make it into the new MBP, but my worry is battery life will suffer. I just wish they would provide proper resolutions as the default with existing LCD panels.

Apple's biggest asset was Steve Jobs saying no and making seemingly unreasonable demands to push the engineers to make a better product. Without that, I am definitely going to wait and see what happens.
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"Pro" is whatever you want it to be. No one can tell you what it is or isn't.

Why worry? Battery life is simple math. You have to know the power consumption of the display and supporting devices (GPU, etc) and then it become clear how much battery you need in mAh to give you a solid range of battery life.

With the new iPad we know that Apple can stuff 42k mAh into a 1.4 lb product. With considerable more room for a 15" and faster Nvidia or Radeon graphics I don't think there's any reason to worry about battery life personally but that's just me. At this point there are too many variables to account for.

We don't know if Sharp is making the screens with IGZO tech which is power efficient or if it's something else.
 
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apolloa said:
Talk to your works IT department, they'll explain :), cause your ether very naive or joking with a comment like that!
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Not being naive nor was I joking. A simple solution in an environment where ethernet is absolutely required is a simple dongle.

The IT department is usually the last to make changes and that is part of the problem.
 
GREEN4U said:
You're all wrong. "Pro" was used to define freelance "artists," "filmmakers," and "photographers" who were essentially consumers, not corporate office-workers. Those people used IBMs.

We now live in a recession, so there are no more people who can afford to be artists. Thus, there are no artists now and there is no need for the "Pro" moniker anymore.
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That is the stupidest argument against the Pro designation I've ever heard.
 
sijk said:
There is no need for 2x solution for OS X because market is full of different display resolutions already and applications don't rely certain pixel size. Cannot be compared to the iOS situation. Text and images can be scaled quite freely but of course web images must be upscaled which will look a bit awful.
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Yeah well say this to apple, why are you saying this to me?:confused: That's just weird. I have been asking for resolution independence from os x for the better part of a decade. It's apple who are opting for 2x instead...

That's where my question is based on. ML means 2x to go retina at a cost toscreen real estate. Then what's big, small and optimal about, since apple only have 1x and 2x in their development.:confused:
 
Mr. Retrofire said:
If you make it thinner, the device has less space for batteries and dedicated graphics, not more space.
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Yes, a bit of battery volume is removed by decreasing the thickness, but I think it would be balanced out if not exceeded by the volume freed by the removal of the ODD.

For reference here's what the inside of the 15" MBP looks like now:

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Look at how much space is taken up by the ODD. If they got rid of the HDD as well and went blade-SSD only (don't think it's gonna happen) then they could have a huge battery.
 
apolloa said:
Really? If I call the IT support desk for my workplace, I have to select weather it's a Windows or Apple machine. MANY businesses use Apple for other things then editing photo's.
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Haha, I'm not arguing that many businesses use Macs now. All I'm saying is that "Pro" is meant to symbolize the professional artist. Not businessman. You haven't proven me wrong.
 
Sky Blue said:
Wow, no ethernet? We better stock up on those USB dongles at work.
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Well, yeah. Why should Apple give you something for free when you can spend 15x cost to buy a dongle and take up another of the precious few USB ports?
 
Peace said:
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Not being naive nor was I joking. A simple solution in an environment where ethernet is absolutely required is a simple dongle.

The IT department is usually the last to make changes and that is part of the problem.
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Well I have no idea what you think of business, but wireless is not secure FACT. And that's why many businesses will make you use ethernet. It's a very naive thought to think it's un-professional for a $2000 plus laptop to lack an ethernet port, or make you purchase an adapter. But it will just mean less sales for Apple.
If a machine doesn't meet the needs or demands of the business they another machine that does will be chosen. And Windows can do everything Apple can in the work place.

And IT are their to offer security to the businesses network, as well as fix your hard drive.
 
blow45 said:
Yeah well say this to apple, why are you saying this to me?:confused: That's just weird. I have been asking for resolution independence from os x for the better part of a decade. It's apple who are opting for 2x instead...

That's where my question is based on. ML means 2x to go retina at a cost toscreen real estate. Then what's big, small and optimal about, since apple only have 1x and 2x in their development.:confused:
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Could you explain that to me again? Does this mean that even though we may be seeing more pixels in the 15" MBP but we won't gain more real estate in something like PhotoShop, Lightroom or Cubase?
 
GREEN4U said:
We now live in a recession, so there are no more people who can afford to be artists. Thus, there are no artists now and there is no need for the "Pro" moniker anymore.
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Not at all! The scene is very active. The problem is, that Apple makes nearly no money with "Pro" hardware. iDevices are Apples moneymaker.

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apolloa said:
...MANY others use them then a photo studio.
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Correct.
 
Seems odd to split the MagSafe and the Thunderbolt outlet on oposing sides of the machine, with the Apple Displays having the Y-shape cable.

T.

PS: .. otherwise the thing looks great .. would be nice if they avoided the tear shape of the MBA and kept some power in the thingy.
 
apolloa said:
Well I have no idea what you think of business, but wireless is not secure FACT. And that's why many businesses will make you use ethernet. It's a very naive thought to think it's un-professional for a $2000 plus laptop to lack an ethernet port, or make you purchase an adapter. But it will just mean less sales for Apple.
If a machine doesn't meet the needs or demands of the business they another machine that does will be chosen. And Windows can do everything Apple can in the work place.

And IT are their to offer security to the businesses network, as well as fix your hard drive.
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I understand your argument. However as far as security goes there are security issues on the computer with or without ethernet. If ethernet stopped security issues there wouldn't be any viruses or malware in the corporate environment.

But where do most viruses come from ? Corporate computers.

I know you're referring to encryption btw.

All I'm saying is security runs the gamut.
 
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