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Thunderbolt and USB3 seems to be overkill, it would make more sense to stay with USB 2 because that would make the components cheaper. USB 2 for peripherals that don't require too much in the way of transferring information and Thunderbolt for the heavy lifting.

The MBP would benefit more from Apple going to an SSD standard than from adopting USB 3.0. That would be an investment that would benefit the user base the most, as thunderbolt is that much better than USB 3 to begin with.

USB 3.0 is already integrated into the new Ivy Bridge processor framework. Moving back to 2.0 would be pointless.
 
Apple needs to realize that this is a big deal breaker. If you want to be ultra portable, buy a Macbook air.

Apple has already done its research and made its decision. If they have indeed decided to remove the Ethernet port the decision has been made, which means they don't care if you buy from them in future or not.
 
Apple has already done its research and made its decision. If they have indeed decided to remove the Ethernet port the decision has been made, which means they don't care if you buy from them in future or not.

research on what? In the office environment, Apple is nearly extinct. Thats the market they should be trying to get into with their Pro line. They've already dominated the starbucks hipster market...
 
What I do not need is a Mac that will let me program, is portable, decent battery life and can dualboot into Windows allowing me to use my regular programs without hiccups.
Having to reboot isn't a hiccup??? I'm amazed every time I read of someone dicking around with partitioned storage and dual boot hassles, instead of dropping $40 bucks on VMware Fusion.
 
Until whatever they have up their sleeve falls out of it, people are still going to be carrying and losing bloody dongles for the standard ubiquitous network protocol that is is ethernet, and going sorry boss missing my dongle, sorry guys, no ethernet for me, forgot my dongle at home, sorry attendees of this conference anyone have an ethernet dongle btw, I am a mac user, and apple has something pretty big up its long sleeve btw, and I am not talking about a tv set although that would be pretty big for someone's sleeve (laughs - walks down).

The same time this obvious Mac idiot asks for a dongle at your meeting the other folks there will be asking him if they can see the new MBP :D
 
I just don't see Apple being able to do anything like this in the near future without Steve. They're over there posturing, arguing over who's the boss, blowing money on daily parties, sueing each other and every one else etc. Now I don't get me wrong, I sure as hell hope they pull it off, but I don't think so.

This is NOT our old Apple, period. They're so fat and drunk with cash they couldn't engineer a new tricycle if they tried. Since wall St has seen fit to bury them with plastic successes, they now think they're unbeatable and untouchable.

Nah, what we'll get is marginal designs, mediocre offerings, and mundane technology for the next year or so. Support will go to hell, and they'll miss huge items on the Macbook Pro and the iPhone that will infuriate their customer base. And without Steve to backhand them off the party yachts back to work / reality, this may be a big mess
 
I've explained it to you but you don't seem to get it for some reason. All the technologies you mentioned fall into the categories of either going quickly or not so quickly into obsolescence and/or not being affected by dongle usage. I don't care to stick a dongle on my mini to get a dvi output. It's a viable solution, I am not moving it around.

Dongles, docks, extra cables for basic out of the box functionality of the by far and away most common networking industry wide interface that's nowhere close to going away just because apple say so, is simply an insult to their users. When people end up in that hotel room or that conference table and look in the bag and go shhhh...I left it/dropped it/lost it and then anyone have a dongle, anyone with a thunderbolt to ethernet dongle please? they are going to be cursing apple and very rightly so.

I'm guessing you would be in the "won't buy" column.

The "lost dongle" theme seems to be frequent in the posts, and yet it strikes me as FUD.

Consider: 60 some million iPads out there, not to mention iPod Touches and iPhones, all support WiFi and yet I've never heard the comment that someone wouldn't purchase an iPad because it didn't have ethernet? What gives?

Your world and their world never seem to cross.
 
I thought obsession of thinness over function would have passed away with Steve.
 
Not quite. Even a modest iPhoto library can easily be 30GB. Transferring this content over USB means likely a 30 minute or longer transfer time. If USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt can transfer that same library over in 7 minutes it mean you're computer can no go back to putting it's resources into other areas.

True, I corrected that post. I haven't been paying as much attention to the new technology and missed that USB 3.0 is a standard now.


USB 3.0 is already integrated into the new Ivy Bridge processor framework. Moving back to 2.0 would be pointless.

Corrected.
 
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research on what? In the office environment, Apple is nearly extinct. Thats the market they should be trying to get into with their Pro line. They've already dominated the starbucks hipster market...

Whatever research they've done is concluded. My point was that there is no point in talking about the decisions that went into the next version of the MBP as if they're still subject to change. They're not.

Apple is in the business of making premium-priced consumer products at high profit margins.

My company is more Apple-friendly than most, with many of the Execs using MacBooks - because they're Starbucks hipster wannabes, actually. But there's no chance - none - of them rolling them out for general usage. Not going to happen, and any money Apple would spend trying would be wasted.
 
What's so hard for you to get, if you pixel double and you need now 4 pixels per one you have to go with four times the resolution. Otherwise you are losing screen real estate. Apple are not going for 4 times the pixel count, they 'll do pixel doubling, ergo you lose screen real estate.Refrain from the use of capitals when you don't get something marcus.

"Apple are not going for 4 times the pixel count"

Do you have a source for that? That's exactly what's being inferred by the 9to5 article. There has been talk of 2880x1800 displays for a while now, including by Intel in the context of what their Ivy Bridge GPU is capable of driving.
 
But USB3 and Thunderbolt aren't even competing, Thunderbolt has MUCH faster IO than USB3 could ever imagine...

Hey, I'm with ya all the way there. The main thing that USB 3.0 has going for it is backward compatibility. I do think that we need to see more TB products immediately in order to make sure that it doesn't become a dodo bird, though.

Given that Intel helped design this standard, it would actually be advantageous to Apple if Intel started getting PC manufacturers to start making Windows machines that have one or more TB ports built in--it would speed uptake, spur peripheral makers to make TB-friendly devices (thus ultimately lowering price) and generally be A Good Thing.
 
USB 3 to Gb Ethernet is good enough for me.

If you need the ethernet cable plugged it, might as well connect a USB adapter. Doesn't make that much difference.

For the rest of the time having a thinner, sleeker 15 MBP with Retina Display FTW!!

No FireWire, no buy from me. Just like last time.
 
I just don't see Apple being able to do anything like this in the near future without Steve. They're over there posturing, arguing over who's the boss, blowing money on daily parties, sueing each other and every one else etc. Now I don't get me wrong, I sure as hell hope they pull it off, but I don't think so.

This is NOT our old Apple, period. They're so fat and drunk with cash they couldn't engineer a new tricycle if they tried. Since wall St has seen fit to bury them with plastic successes, they now think they're unbeatable and untouchable.

Nah, what we'll get is marginal designs, mediocre offerings, and mundane technology for the next year or so. Support will go to hell, and they'll miss huge items on the Macbook Pro and the iPhone that will infuriate their customer base. And without Steve to backhand them off the party yachts back to work / reality, this may be a big mess

Old Apple? Means different things to different people. The World may end December 21st for all I know.

What you see to us means absolutely NOTHING. We all have our own thoughts about things. The only thing that matters is what you can reliably infer from other bits of data that support your opinion. You've added nothing here but

"Well I think that Apple isn't doing well"

Despite the factual evidence that exists (quarterly earnings) that say otherwise.
 
I'm guessing you would be in the "won't buy" column.

The "lost dongle" theme seems to be frequent in the posts, and yet it strikes me as FUD.

Consider: 60 some million iPads out there, not to mention iPod Touches and iPhones, all support WiFi and yet I've never heard the comment that someone wouldn't purchase an iPad because it didn't have ethernet? What gives?

Your world and their world never seem to cross.

You joined in 2001 and 11 years after participating in forums you are making an argument that a pro notebook used in corporate settings, in university settings, meant for you to take around to ethernet only conference, expos,etc. infrastructure is something you can equate in functionality and requirements to an ipad, a touch and an iphone, and thus can afford to miss the ubiquitous network standard port of the last few decades and the coming one at least? Well done.

Yeah I 've not heard anyone either purchasing an ipad and complaining about missing a thunderbolt port, maybe apple should do away with that to on the mbp, by your logic, right?

Get back to me in 2023 with an argument that's not absolutely ludicrous on the then issue at hand.
 
Thin "is" function.

People are starting to wake up and realize they don't need to carry around 6lbs of notebook to get their job done.

Yep...most are realizing that they don't even need 6lbs of PC at home.

Tablets are going to replace most consumers devices as their main computer. It's just fact.

The majority of home laptop and desktop users do not need a laptop or desktop.
 
http://m.computerworld.com/s/article/9227141/MacBook_Pro_refreshes_may_be_imminent_say_reports

"I don't see [Apple] waiting for WWDC... As soon as they have enough supply built up, they'll release them,"

A May release too? Anyone think there's any truth to that?

Possibilty rather than truth. Why would lion need all the retina graphics built in?
 
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Consider: 60 some million iPads out there, not to mention iPod Touches and iPhones, all support WiFi and yet I've never heard the comment that someone wouldn't purchase an iPad because it didn't have ethernet? What gives?
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Many video/photo/audio/engineering professionals deal with files that are tens to hundreds of GB.

They don't have those files on an Ipad.

Ipads are good for Facebook, though. And look great while sipping your frappe-latta-chino at Starbucks.
 
Yeah I 've not heard anyone either purchasing an ipad and complaining about missing a thunderbolt port, maybe apple should do away with that to on the mbp, by your logic, right?

Yes, Apple should get rid of the Macbook Pro. On the MBP there is no "MAGICAL" touchscreen nor do it's advertisements feature happy kids drawing on it. Clearly it is an inferior product and should be removed from the Apple Ecosystem. How anybody can live with bulky built in keyboard and ports on the sides is beyond me.

My iPad changed my life and therefore because Apple changed my life they should change the lives of everyone else by only making iPads.
 
Size complex?

Any true "pro" uses a 17 inch screen anyways. I'm an auditor, and we're constantly moving our computers and external monitors, and we have 17 inch hp computers. We need the real estate. Nobody who is working on a laptop should be using anything less than 17 inches. Maybe Apple has realized this and is removing things like the Ethernet from the 13 & 15 inch models.

Yeah you for sure need a 17" laptop for sure....if you are 70 years old with vision problems.
 
Many video/photo/audio/engineering professionals deal with files that are tens to hundreds of GB.

They don't have those files on an Ipad.

Ipads are good for Facebook, though. And look great while sipping your frappe-latta-chino at Starbucks.

And yet, most of our on location DP's and Photographers have 64GB iPad's with them for work/image checking and so on.

No one is talking about doing editing on an iPad.

But you are comparing a PRO market to a consumer market and the consumer market is millions to billions of people bigger then all the pro markets combined.

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Yeah you for sure need a 17" laptop for sure....if you are 70 years old with vision problems.

And yet our editors and graphic artists at our post house here prefer the 15" MBPro....go figure.

I guess auditors are 'Pro' users. ;)
 
Not so fast

research on what? In the office environment, Apple is nearly extinct. Thats the market they should be trying to get into with their Pro line. They've already dominated the starbucks hipster market...

A true office environment is not going to use a laptop..get real. Apple is far from extinct. Guess you haven't been following the trends. Microsoft is the one tech company that is in trouble.
 
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