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They included 11n while it was still draft. My, how short some people's memories are!

My memory is not short--I do remember that. I also remember deciding not to buy hardware with 'draft-n'. I do not buy anything that is in a 'draft' stage, simply because I prefer established features and I do not wish to chance incompatibilities, no matter how small.
 
Why you don't just use the USB to Ethernet adaptor? There's even an extra USB port for you. (Or just switch to Wireless?) ;)

im already paying a premium for this laptop(at least 40-70% higher than a Windows machine) and I have to start buying $40-$60 adaptors that give me 1/10th the speed of an ethernet port.

I dont know if its an Apple thing but I'm trying to be practical here. The only reason I'm even going for a mac is for programming sake. I might just abandon it altogether, and stick to Android if Apple refuses to accommodate professionals.

In the past 3 offices I worked in, only 1 had WiFi and it was laggy. Have you guys ever transferred more than 3MB worth of info ? Time is money, especially in programming.
 
I am suggesting windows 8 to all my friends and acquaintances btw, and to wait for windows 8 tablets too or go with android. They might miss out on the great ml reminders app and twitter integration but they 'll also pay 20-40% less for a better product.

And they actually listen? Microsoft's basically selling in their own pond. There's no more growth from them if their tablet initiative fails.

Android doesn't make money even for Google (see Oracle vs Google commentary)

This leg of the battle is pretty close to being over. It doesn't really matter what you recommend Blow45. You can steer maybe a handful of people but it doesn't matter when Apple stores are so busy people are waiting to spend money.
 
Yes, but, this is the internet and it allows us to electronically shout at each other over Apples possible decisions, because we are either all bored or Apple fans. What would you do without the internet?

And in reference to the above comment about 2 hard drives, EXACTLY! The story has no reports on weather these new machines will have an option for a mSata drive and a normal SATA SSD! Which is what it should do really.

1. My job. I don't really mind at all the shouting over Apple's decisions, even from the people who disagree with me and are therefore wrong. It's the idea that it's possible to change things.

2. My hunch is that the 15inch will allow for two drives, but I'm not going to hazard a guess as to what kind(s)
 
Time how long it takes to transfer a 30 GB video file (or VM image, or...) on

  1. WiFi
  2. 100 Mbps "USB dongle" Ethernet
  3. Wired GbE

For "time is money" professionals dealing with large file transfers (or impatient amateurs), wired GbE is really important.

(I'm in the "impatient amateur" - it was painful to transfer ISO images of BDs and DVDs from the rip computer to the HTPC - so I wired the house with Cat6 everywhere. Huge, huge difference.)

WiFi or 100 Mbps is fine for Twitter and keeping your Facebook page up-to-date.

Thunderbolt technology can do GbE

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/io/thunderbolt/thunderbolt-technology-developer.html
 
http://m.computerworld.com/s/article/9227141/MacBook_Pro_refreshes_may_be_imminent_say_reports

"I don't see [Apple] waiting for WWDC... As soon as they have enough supply built up, they'll release them,"

A May release too? Anyone think there's any truth to that?
 
I guess all the offices that are currently using wired network access with Windows PC haven't got the memo that Apple is abandoning ethernet. I guess they will need to abandon their network access and just start buying Apple laptops.

Innovation = remove options. :confused:
 
Time how long it takes to transfer a 30 GB video file (or VM image, or...) on

  1. WiFi
  2. 100 Mbps "USB dongle" Ethernet
  3. Wired GbE

For "time is money" professionals dealing with large file transfers (or impatient amateurs), wired GbE is really important.

(I'm in the "impatient amateur" - it was painful to transfer ISO images of BDs and DVDs from the rip computer to the HTPC - so I wired the house with Cat6 everywhere. Huge, huge difference.)

WiFi or 100 Mbps is fine for Twitter and keeping your Facebook page up-to-date.

It's not that Aiden, it's out of the box functionality for an industry standard protocol. They can't expect people to rely on dongles and docks for such a standard pro machine feature, it's simply not viable, they can't expect people not to require out of the box functionality for an industry standard just cause they say so. And offload the problem on the user to have dongles with them at all times. We are not talking here about the dubious merits of optical drives or thunderbolt superseding firewire.
 
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Originally Posted by MagicBoy
It would never work. Firewire is peer-to-peer based and excels at isochronous transfer. It was effectively a serial replacement for SCSI. USB is host based and sucks at isochronous transfers.
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Oh is right. There is a reason why professional grade audio interfaces come with FireWire. To the best of my knowledge there is no alternative available yet. USB3 won't do this. And I don't know if and how exactly Thunderbolt ports would handle this - especially if you want to use them for something else at the same time...like a monitor. Would an adapter be true FireWire in that it keeps the audio data separate from the rest of the junk?
 
The why would 10.7.4 suddenly put in hiDPI (1024x1024) graphics? Apple doesn't normally add stuff like this a full year before Haswell even ships.

Intel's already marketing that current hardware is preparing us for high resolution screens

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/12/intel-looking-toward-retina-display-pcs-by-2013/

So if Intel expects this to go mainstream we know Apple is likely already there.

Apple Cinema Display?

Even then, apple can't do this without third party support. Also you forget Apple doesn't build hardware, they only design what to do with the stuff currently on the market. They need suppliers. For such a device, I doubt there's a supplier.

I think they will introduce Retina in this years MBP generation, but not MBA. It is too thin and, as you said, will get too hot. The MBP could manage the heat, depending on how thin in will be. With the introduction of Retina Apple will attract a lot of buyers to the MBP, spending more on this devices instead of the MBA, even if the MBA "is the future".

MBA is simple: ULV chips might provide it as barely cool enough to function. But Quad Core and full powered? Not a particularly good idea. I mean, if they do it, I'd be shocked, but I just doubt that the integrated chipsets are ready for it.

Its important to note just how great a leap Haswell is over Ivy in demos over power consumption. If they DO release this this year, I'd sit and hold off until its ready for prime time. I'd rather just faster innards at this time than a gorgeous display that crushes battery life. The iPad 3 is definitely not an improvement over iPad 2 in that regard, but you can't really do anything to improve the Macbook Air type designs short of...well, you can't.
 
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http://m.computerworld.com/s/article/9227141/MacBook_Pro_refreshes_may_be_imminent_say_reports

"I don't see [Apple] waiting for WWDC... As soon as they have enough supply built up, they'll release them,"

A May release too? Anyone think there's any truth to that?

That article just rehashes this discussion. LOL
 
1. My job. I don't really mind at all the shouting over Apple's decisions, even from the people who disagree with me and are therefore wrong. It's the idea that it's possible to change things.

2. My hunch is that the 15inch will allow for two drives, but I'm not going to hazard a guess as to what kind(s)

hahahaha, I bet even as intelligent mankind, we would find other useless ways to waste time without the internet :D but so true....

Yeah, hoping for a dual drive setup, we will have to see I guess?
 
Time how long it takes to transfer a 30 GB video file (or VM image, or...) on

  1. WiFi
  2. 100 Mbps "USB dongle" Ethernet
  3. Wired GbE

For "time is money" professionals dealing with large file transfers (or impatient amateurs), wired GbE is really important.

(I'm in the "impatient amateur" - it was painful to transfer ISO images of BDs and DVDs from the rip computer to the HTPC - so I wired the house with Cat6 everywhere. Huge, huge difference.)

WiFi or 100 Mbps is fine for Twitter and keeping your Facebook page up-to-date.

You know your statement made sens until you blew it with the last sentence? WiFi or 100 Mbps for Twitter and Facebook? C'mon, don't be ridiculous. Most people here have never had the pleasure to experience 100 Mbps, heck they might not even know the speed of 10 Mbps. And you know what, it doesn't matter, because even 1 Mbps is enough for Facebook, Twitter and other social networks. Anyway, all that speed-talk doesn't matter, if, and only IF Apple is dropping the FW-port, they will do it with a solution, that nobody can cry over.
 
im already paying a premium for this laptop(at least 40-70% higher than a Windows machine) and I have to start buying $40-$60 adaptors that give me 1/10th the speed of an ethernet port.

I dont know if its an Apple thing but I'm trying to be practical here. The only reason I'm even going for a mac is for programming sake. I might just abandon it altogether, and stick to Android if Apple refuses to accommodate professionals.

In the past 3 offices I worked in, only 1 had WiFi and it was laggy. Have you guys ever transferred more than 3MB worth of info ? Time is money, especially in programming.

Boy I really wish I could have saved 70% on my Macbook Air. I'll be on the lookout for the Windows version for $499. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

http://youtu.be/HrfCixsd2N8
 
It's not that Aiden, it's out of the box functionality for an industry standard protocol. They can't expect people to rely on dongles and docks just cause they want to, they can't expect people not to require out of the box functionality for an industry standard just cause they say so. And offload the problem on the user to have dongles with them at all times.

Why not ? They did it with VGA,FireWire,ODD and display ports and flash.

This wouldn't be unusual for Apple.
 
The issue with no ethernet port versus ethernet port is a moot one in the corporate world.

The companies out there that need the file transfer rates provided by Gigabit ethernet spend the money on hardware that supports the transfer rate they require. If the hardware they currently use doesn't meet the requirements they replace it with new gear. If a new product does not support the needs of the company, they simply do not buy it.

The average corporate user probably does not even know what speed ethernet the computer they are often issued by the IT department has. All they care about is that they turn it on, and it downloads whatever they need to use for work. If they have an issue, they call IT and it gets fixed or replaced with another, identical unit from the pool of available machines.

The users who get permission to use personal machines usually have to ensure that the machine they select for work meets the guidelines established by the company IT department in terms of corporate network security and compatibility. This usually means that they are given a list of suggested machines to choose from in most cases.

Whether or not the new MBP has ethernet built in or not is not so much a concern in the corporate world. It is more a concern for those users who purchase the machine out of pocket and have to "adapt" the possible lack of a built in port with a dongle or adapter out of pocket as well. The corporate IT environment doesn't care in these cases. It is personal user preference that they use a Mac or a Windows based Laptop.

The rare cases where the office is entirely one type of machine such as an all Mac office usually means they have a plan in place for future upgrades. Most companies dont buy the newest and greatest hardware. Mainly because it is not "proven" they tend to trend behind the product curve to ensure data and hardware reliability.

So the no ethernet port rant is really a moot point. In the corporate world, the IT department answer is "Buy a Dongle or don't use that computer".
 
I could understand businesses not purchasing desktops without Ethernet because they are stationary computers but portables are just that. Portable. Logic dictates fewer cables with a portable device .
Adding a dongle to your laptop is not adding an additional cable.

How did you get to a serious comment reply why a phone lacks ethernet? Teaches you for a sarcastic comment!! HA!
 
Boy I really wish I could have saved 70% on my Macbook Air. I'll be on the lookout for the Windows version for $499. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

The ASUS equivalent to the Macbook Air is 30% cheaper with better components. ASUS UX31. I own it, and recently they fixed the trackpad and keyboard issues which make it nearly identical to the Macbook Air.

70% is for the actual work type laptops such as the MacbookPro or Thinkpads.
 
im already paying a premium for this laptop(at least 40-70% higher than a Windows machine) and I have to start buying $40-$60 adaptors that give me 1/10th the speed of an ethernet port.

I dont know if its an Apple thing but I'm trying to be practical here. The only reason I'm even going for a mac is for programming sake. I might just abandon it altogether, and stick to Android if Apple refuses to accommodate professionals.

In the past 3 offices I worked in, only 1 had WiFi and it was laggy. Have you guys ever transferred more than 3MB worth of info ? Time is money, especially in programming.

But they want to make the new macbook pro thinner anyway.
 
I haven't talked about the retina display yet.. although I personally REFUSE to call it retina! Considering the resolutions you can buy right now. But As this is an Apple display, I would expect it to look amazing!! And glossy?? It gives a clue maybe to the GPU it will have? Hopefully an AMD? As well as Intel's on board thingy.
Would be interesting to see how they make Lion behave on a retina (high res) screen with high res coding.
 
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