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i'm going to have to disagree.

if apple received payment...then the ip4 is then owned by the individual. there was a transfer of ownership in that transaction.

now, the card STILL having a balance on it is a separate issue in regards to the phone. if apple didn't take the balance for some reason, it is not the consumers fault.

what would you all think if the card was found by someone else...say the OP lost it and someone found it in a gutter. the balance would still be on it, is that person then in posession of stolen property because apple didn't take the balance off in the previous transaction? negative!

Except that the OP bought a gift card, thus giving money to Apple for the amount of the iPhone 4. Unless he spends the gift card, they're even.
 
i'm going to have to disagree.

if apple received payment...then the ip4 is then owned by the individual. there was a transfer of ownership in that transaction.

now, the card STILL having a balance on it is a separate issue in regards to the phone. if apple didn't take the balance for some reason, it is not the consumers fault.

what would you all think if the card was found by someone else...say the OP lost it and someone found it in a gutter. the balance would still be on it, is that person then in posession of stolen property because apple didn't take the balance off in the previous transaction? negative!

That's why I said in essence. Right now we have a GC floating around with a balance on it that doesn't belong. In theory if that GC was never used or terminated all together by Apple then everything would in the end balance out. Right now you have an Apple store that has $367 in their register for the value of one phone. The GC as far as they know shows a balance of $0. As long as the OP doesn't use that GC for any future purchases then Apple will go on blissfully unaware that there is a GC floating around with a balance on there that doesn't belong.
 
Why would you purchase a gift card when you have perfectly good cash in your pocket?

That doesn't make any sense.
I'm fairly certain (about 90% certain) that you can't buy iPhones with cash, only accessories and other small-ticket items. Same with iPads I believe.
 
I'm fairly certain that I've said this before and now other have.

Perhaps your biggest mistake was coming on here and bragging about it. Because that not only shows you wanted to brag about it - but that you are VERY WELL AWARE that you're doing something wrong as indicated by your responses.

Advice - next time just shut up. You want to blame the "moral police" on the reception you're getting on here just like you want to blame Apple for making a mistake.

Newflash: Take accountability for your actions.

YOU started this thread. YOU are keeping a gift card which in reality contains a balance you have no entitlement to.
 
Through some misunderstandings with my bank, they put a "suspicious activity" hold on my card, which was my only source of funds at that moment. So until I cleared that, my card was utterly useless. Luckily enough, the phones at that Apple store didn't work, and my old phone had conveniently run out of batteries, so I was forced to do the following - put my iPhone transaction on hold, run to the nearest ATM, withdraw money, and put it on an Apple gift card.

Sorry, but you said that the card which had a suspicious activity flag on it was your only source of funds.

Then you said you ran to the ATM and withdrew money ... which, regardless, requires you to use your bank card and pin. So how did you manage to use your card to withdraw at an ATM when the card, which was your only source of funds, was suspended due to a fraud flag?

Was there a gap of a day or so while this was sorted between you or the bank, because the way you've written that just makes the whole thing sound like nonsense.
 
Sorry, but you said that the card which had a suspicious activity flag on it was your only source of funds.

Then you said you ran to the ATM and withdrew money ... which, regardless, requires you to use your bank card and pin. So how did you manage to use your card to withdraw at an ATM when the card, which was your only source of funds, was suspended due to a fraud flag?

Was there a gap of a day or so while this was sorted between you or the bank, because the way you've written that just makes the whole thing sound like nonsense.

Wow very good point, funny how this never got noticed in so many pages. Certainly doesn't add up.
 
I know how this "scenario" could happen. But rather than post it - I'll see if the OP has an explanation.

I don't want to help him dig himself out of anything he's gotten himself into
 
Wow very good point, funny how this never got noticed in so many pages. Certainly doesn't add up.

Funny...that was the first thing I noticed while reading the story. But then I work for a bank so I deal with that stuff everyday. Seems kind of questionable.

And I see no way whatsoever that a person could justify keeping the money.
 
Funny...that was the first thing I noticed while reading the story. But then I work for a bank so I deal with that stuff everyday. Seems kind of questionable.

And I see no way whatsoever that a person could justify keeping the money.

Sure ya could Drew. You just have to abandon all sense of ethics and morals. It's easy ;)
 
It's clear from the OP only having a receipt for the Gift Card that the mistake was in not actually processing the payment for the phone. They run up the gift card, then skipped directly ahead and activated the phone, without ever using that gift card to process payment. And like others, I suspect the OP noticed that the card was never processed as payment for the phone, hence why he checked the balance.

Employees mistake? Sure. But I'm also sure many of you have been to launch, know how crazy it is in there, and on top of that this was a store opening. The OP took advantage of that, as his posting here clearly shows his excitement.

To those saying he paid for the phone and has a stolen gift card, you are wrong. The only thing he DID pay for was the gift card, hence only having a receipt for it. He has not paid for the iPhone. End of story. And again, I'm damn sure he noticed the employee's error before he walked out of that store.
 
Sorry, but you said that the card which had a suspicious activity flag on it was your only source of funds.

Then you said you ran to the ATM and withdrew money ... which, regardless, requires you to use your bank card and pin. So how did you manage to use your card to withdraw at an ATM when the card, which was your only source of funds, was suspended due to a fraud flag?

Was there a gap of a day or so while this was sorted between you or the bank, because the way you've written that just makes the whole thing sound like nonsense.


Sorry bro, you're just reading too far into all this because you want to see me go down in flames. If anyone has ever been to the Cerritos Mall, you'd know there's a BofA right across the parking lot from the entrance where the Apple store is. When I got the hold put on my card, the employee helping me said that my only other option was to go across the parking lot while they held my phone and to work everything out. Obviously, if my card had a hold on it, I wouldn't be able to withdraw money. I had to actually go into the bank and speak with a teller, explaining the situation (my phone had died, as I said). They removed the hold and were able to withdraw money.

Also, doubt anyone will notice, but if a mod could please close this thread I'd appreciate it. It's getting a little bit out of hand.
 
Sorry bro, you're just reading too far into all this because you want to see me go down in flames. If anyone has ever been to the Cerritos Mall, you'd know there's a BofA right across the parking lot from the entrance where the Apple store is. When I got the hold put on my card, the employee helping me said that my only other option was to go across the parking lot while they held my phone and to work everything out. Obviously, if my card had a hold on it, I wouldn't be able to withdraw money. I had to actually go into the bank and speak with a teller, explaining the situation (my phone had died, as I said). They removed the hold and were able to withdraw money.

Also, doubt anyone will notice, but if a mod could please close this thread I'd appreciate it. It's getting a little bit out of hand.

The problem is that now you are changing your original story. You clearly said you ran to the ATM and withdrew the cash.

It is actually one of the few threads that is not getting out of hand actually and is producing level headed responses to show you that what you have done is wrong. If you fail to see that it just falls in line with your actions up to this point so it is of little surprise.
 
Through some misunderstandings with my bank, they put a "suspicious activity" hold on my card, which was my only source of funds at that moment. So until I cleared that, my card was utterly useless. Luckily enough, the phones at that Apple store didn't work, and my old phone had conveniently run out of batteries, so I was forced to do the following - put my iPhone transaction on hold, run to the nearest ATM, withdraw money, and put it on an Apple gift card, which would then be used to make my purchase. I withdrew 400 bucks, came back, and put 367 and change on the gift card.

So I was wondering, did you go to the nearest ATM like you said in your OP, or did you go to B of A branch like you changed your story to?

Funny thing about the truth, it never changes.

The explanation is pretty simple. I thought it was odd myself when the employee handed me the gift card, but only for a second. The situation in that store on THAT day, as you may imagine, was a frenzy. The other thing you have to keep in mind is that at that point I had been awake for over 24 hours and feeling like utter **** after sitting/standing for about 12 hours. All I cared about was getting my phone, going home, and sleeping. After said sleep, I remembered that gift card in my pocket. Now rested, it dawned on me that I should check the balance before throwing it away, just because everything was so hectic that day that I wanted to be sure it was empty. Good thing I checked.

Thanks everyone else for the comments. The morality police really are ridiculous.

If you put the exact amount of the iPhone 4 (including tax), why would you have even taken the gift card back from the clerk?

Here is what I think happened.

You went to the Apple store with cash to buy the iPhone (the lie about having bank card problems was an idea that you came up with when you started telling this story to try to make it sound better, but you screwed up with the ATM mix up). You put money on the card, and purchased the iPhone (well, not really). You realized sometime during the process that the Apple employee screwed up and the money was still on the card, so you asked for it back.

I really don't care that your are a dishonest douche bag, but don't come on here, and act like you did not know, and have done nothing wrong.

Just keep in mind you Paid for the gift card, but not the iPhone. If you had paid for the iPhone you would have a receipt for it also. Since the clerk did not give you a receipt for the iPhone, or offer to email it to you, I assume that is where you realized the clerk messed up, and also that the money was still on the card.

So you left the store without paying for a product, so yes you did steal the iphone.
 
Sorry, but you said that the card which had a suspicious activity flag on it was your only source of funds.

Then you said you ran to the ATM and withdrew money ... which, regardless, requires you to use your bank card and pin. So how did you manage to use your card to withdraw at an ATM when the card, which was your only source of funds, was suspended due to a fraud flag?

Was there a gap of a day or so while this was sorted between you or the bank, because the way you've written that just makes the whole thing sound like nonsense.

..guessing he means his credit card wasn't working so he had to withdraw money using his ATM/debit/bank card. But they don't take debit cards in apple stores? o_O
 
yeah, you know what, I made the whole story up!!!111 I did it to impress all you faceless people that I'll never meet in real life, in the s'hittiest subforum of a forum that's filled with 13 year old meme-regurgitating fanboys. You totally got me :cool:

Keep the discussion going if you want, but insisting that I'm changing my story isn't going to change what happened. Believe it or not, what I said happened. I guess "going to the nearest ATM" is a cryptic message that somehow proves I scammed an Apple store...if that's what makes you happy, take it and run with it. I guess some people really don't have anything better to do than be an internet sleuth.
 
..guessing he means his credit card wasn't working so he had to withdraw money using his ATM/debit/bank card. But they don't take debit cards in apple stores? o_O

Maybe, but why the change in stories. He said it was his bank card.

Through some misunderstandings with my bank, they put a "suspicious activity" hold on my card, which was my only source of funds at that moment. So until I cleared that, my card was utterly useless. Luckily enough, the phones at that Apple store didn't work, and my old phone had conveniently run out of batteries, so I was forced to do the following - put my iPhone transaction on hold, run to the nearest ATM, withdraw money, and put it on an Apple gift card, which would then be used to make my purchase. I withdrew 400 bucks, came back, and put 367 and change on an Apple gift card.

Sorry bro, you're just reading too far into all this because you want to see me go down in flames. If anyone has ever been to the Cerritos Mall, you'd know there's a BofA right across the parking lot from the entrance where the Apple store is. When I got the hold put on my card, the employee helping me said that my only other option was to go across the parking lot while they held my phone and to work everything out. Obviously, if my card had a hold on it, I wouldn't be able to withdraw money. I had to actually go into the bank and speak with a teller, explaining the situation (my phone had died, as I said). They removed the hold and were able to withdraw money.

Also, doubt anyone will notice, but if a mod could please close this thread I'd appreciate it. It's getting a little bit out of hand.
 
yeah, you know what, I made the whole story up!!!111 I did it to impress all you faceless people that I'll never meet in real life, in the s'hittiest subforum of a forum that's filled with 13 year old meme-regurgitating fanboys. You totally got me :cool:

Keep the discussion going if you want, but insisting that I'm changing my story isn't going to change what happened. Believe it or not, what I said happened. I guess "going to the nearest ATM" is a cryptic message that somehow proves I scammed an Apple store...if that's what makes you happy, take it and run with it. I guess some people really don't have anything better to do than be an internet sleuth.

And I guess some people have nothing better to do than come on a Mac forum, and brag about stealing an iPhone.

Ask yourself why very, very few people are on your side.
 
Just a heads some info for some of you, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE GIFTCARD BACK. Even with a zero balance, you are required to give the gift card back. If the customer requests that you throw it away, then you can throw it away.

That was the polciy when I worked for apple.
 
Just a heads some info for some of you, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE GIFTCARD BACK. Even with a zero balance, you are required to give the gift card back. If the customer requests that you throw it away, then you can throw it away.

That was the polciy when I worked for apple.

I am not disputing that they offered it back, just that it you thought it had a zero balance, why would you take it. I had them throw mine away.
 
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