If you use these metrics (ie, compare Apple computers to non-Apple computers on Apple terms), you can close the price gap. But if you compare on hardware stats, Apple themselves would admit their machines cost more than equivalent machines.
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Those new MBP's had better be cheaper...
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If you use these metrics (ie, compare Apple computers to non-Apple computers on Apple terms), you can close the price gap. But if you compare on hardware stats, Apple themselves would admit their machines cost more than equivalent machines.
Americans only pay $2000 USD for a basic MBP, which is nothing in Australia. We pay $2900 AUD over here, which is $2600 USD. Atleast you guys get decent prices for your Apple products.
The trouble is that those machines are not equal. Especially for portables, weight, size, and battery life are far more important than a measly .2GHZ CPU boost (which probably won't render any real-world advantages for most users).
I personally would much rather take the "slower" mbp that's lighter, thinner, and probably has better battery life over the behemoth Dell.
Well i just want a good mac for a low price because Im Po( poor for u guyz)
and i want some good gpu's and better battery performance
and i want some good gpu's and better battery performance
Well i just want a good mac for a low price because Im Po( poor for u guyz)
and i want some good gpu's and better battery performance
Sorry, but scientists still haven't invented magic.
Sure, I'd take the MBP too. But since the guy is comparing both machines purely on a performance-basis, he's got a right to point out the much better value he'd get from the Dell than that he'd get from the MBP. By that measure (see the stats in his original post), the MBP's definitely overpriced. By the rulers you gave, it isn't--but he's the one with the rulers, since he's the one deciding between both machines.
Granted the buying decision is his, but he can't go around claiming that the mbp is "overpriced" unless he's willing to consider all relevant factors. All he can say for the moment is that the mbp is not right for him.
Right, then you basically prove my point.
You said at the onset that you weren't interested in buy a Dell correct?
Your central point was that the mbp was expensive in comparison to the Dell you created.
I pointed out how there are other factors aside from the CPU, RAM, and HD that are important for notebooks.
You haven't answered my previous request to provide the weight, size, and battery life for the Dell you created.
And I like puppies.
How about sticking a linux OS in the dell. That would weigh out the pros & cons a lot. Since you can make linux look almost EXACTLY like a mac.
They both run on Unix in the back end so its kinda the same thing.
Since your gona be saving that extra $1k that your talking about, you'll just spend a **** load of time setting it all up (downloading a media player....chat messenger etc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7QraljRfM
And instead of spaces, you get a WICKED CUBE!
Or you could buy a Mac, plus $80 for VMWare Fusion and run any flavor of Linux (or Windows, all the way back to 3.1) you want, right alongside.
Sure he can. He's comparing the computers based on memory, drivespace, and processor power. Within these domains, the MBP is overpriced compared to the Dell. You keep arguing he should compare the battery, weight, and form factor, but you're not the one buying the computer, so why should he compare the machines on your terms?
I don't think he should compare them on my terms, I think he should compare them on all terms. Cherry picking which ones he wants to look at isn't the way to do it at all.
But you aren't the one buying the laptop. Why do you want him to consider things that aren't important to him and aren't relevant to his needs?
I hate you all who **** on vista. It works fine, Xp was worth dust when it first came out as well, there were more bugs then Vista had. Vista works fine now, they have released SP1 and everything is cool. Its the crappy third party developers taht cant get teh compatibility and develop for vista. ANd who gets blamed....VISTA, not those idiots. It is also a simple security add-on as now, in order to get stuff to wrok takes more, making it impossible for newbies to infect the OS with viruses. Yup thats right, Vista rocks. Now dont get me wrong, OS x is better the Vista in every way and the mac hardware is slightly higher grade. But still it is quite pricey and apple rides on the idea where os x is strictly apple hardware compatible, well legally at least. I work as a Computer sales specialist and i swear one of these days, if i reach above my average "vista sucks, i have no bases for it" quota, which is about 20-23 a day, i will find the next person and shove a flipin fish down their throat. Yup I punish in mysterious ways
Except that he said he doesn't want to buy the Dell. His "point" appears to be that the macbook pro is more expensive. However, critical details have been left out, and it's only fair that we compare both notebooks across a broad spectrum before we label one more expensive than an other.
Until he phrases his point as "the macbook pro is more expensive for those who need a faster computer without weight or size concerns," his point is still unproven.
Again, I question this because it's such an absolute. If we include a broader range of specs, things change quite often.
To Hockeysc23 and others who think Apple Service is good...
As a 20 year user of windows and a recent convert to the Mac (MBP 2.6ghz) I do take issue with those with regard to customer service. Apple service is the main reason corporate America doesn't adopt the more superior Mac platform. In two words...."it sucks" compared with Dell or HP:
Apple does not have
1. 24/7 tech support (6am to 6pm....come on, Apple. Conform to our schedule and not force us to conform to yours.)
2. on-site repair (having to be be without my Mac scares me...i need and am willing to pay for this type of coverage. I would have to drive 40 miles and drop off my MPB for repair. In 2008, that is NOT customer service, but rather it is bovine fecal material)
3. catastrophic breakage coverage. As a road-warrior, **** happens and I need this type of coverage. Dell realizes this is a revenue opportunity and people are willing to pay for it.
And please don't say the macs DON'T break....this forum is full of issues and problems.
I have to keep my Dell just in case the MPB fails and I am without it for a period of time.
If Apple expects to get significantly more market share which it deserves given the OpSys and technical innovation, they HAVE to act and provide a service offering LIKE Dell. Then, many companies will begin the migration.
"Better" starts with the product and ends with customer service, period.
As a 20 year user of windows and a recent convert to the Mac (MBP 2.6ghz) I do take issue with those with regard to customer service. Apple service is the main reason corporate America doesn't adopt the more superior Mac platform. In two words...."it sucks" compared with Dell or HP:
Apple does not have
1. 24/7 tech support (6am to 6pm....come on, Apple. Conform to our schedule and not force us to conform to yours.)
2. on-site repair (having to be be without my Mac scares me...i need and am willing to pay for this type of coverage. I would have to drive 40 miles and drop off my MPB for repair. In 2008, that is NOT customer service, but rather it is bovine fecal material)
3. catastrophic breakage coverage. As a road-warrior, **** happens and I need this type of coverage. Dell realizes this is a revenue opportunity and people are willing to pay for it.
And please don't say the macs DON'T break....this forum is full of issues and problems.
I have to keep my Dell just in case the MPB fails and I am without it for a period of time.
If Apple expects to get significantly more market share which it deserves given the OpSys and technical innovation, they HAVE to act and provide a service offering LIKE Dell. Then, many companies will begin the migration.
"Better" starts with the product and ends with customer service, period.
No one's arguing he wants the Dell; he's simply [and correctly] stating that the MBP's overpriced relative to the Dell with respect to the statistics that matter most to him.
He actually hasn't stated that those are the only statistics important to him. I think he honestly didn't consider weight, size, and battery life to be important at the time. A lot of people forget that the 1st time around simply because it isn't a very easy stat to see (I note even Apple doesn't make the weight as easy to find out as say the processor or RAM). One has to "dig" around to find the weight, size, and battery life, and I think the OP simply omitted such concerns because the others stats were more visible.
In either case, the OP is making the claim that the macbook pro is more expensive in outright terms. He hasn't prefaced it by writing "for my needs," or "for those who don't care about weight, size, or any other stat."
The original post of the thread was an outline of the specs of the Dell, and his disappointment in the MBP's high price relative to the Dell's, in terms of what he got for it. He didn't list the weight, battery life, or size as primary concerns in that post. Why not take him by what he did post, instead of reading things he didn't mention into his post?
you cannot honestly hope that Apple can match the service and support that are offered by companies that are WAY bigger (in every way) than Apple. if Apple had to have the same number of employee to match the service offered by Dell, they will probably make no profit.
i myself, hope that Apple doesn't grow too much so i can still feel special & unique in a computer world of uglyness (is that a word?)