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Those who say iPhone cost to much
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When compared to Samsungs, it makes no sense to call iPhones "overpriced" when the corresponding Sammies cost the same or even more. At least I am ready to pay for the clean, simple and sophisticated look and experience of iOS, opposed to the bloatware-ridden TouchWiz shitbiscuit.
But I still wanted a breath of fresh air from the years of rigorous iPhoning, so I recently ditched my iPhone 5S for a Nexus 6P - over 200 euros cheaper than the iPhone 6S over here. And as the Nexus flagship, it feels quite premium.
But I still wanted a breath of fresh air from the years of rigorous iPhoning, so I recently ditched my iPhone 5S for a Nexus 6P - over 200 euros cheaper than the iPhone 6S over here. And as the Nexus flagship, it feels quite premium.
ios may look simple to use but it is also very complicated when doing something and sharing.
The OP's question actually got me thinking how much do smartphones cost to manufacture? Not the iPhones because I know they cost anywhere between $180-$200, then Apple charges about $700-$800. More in poorer countries. I know the display cost the most. I wanted to know the bare minimum cost to make a smartphone.
I was reading the $4 Freedom 521 which got cancelled in India and the specs it had cost about $30-$40. So for $29.99 Lumia 640 and Moto E2, I probably got it below its bill of sale. Microsoft charged the Lumia about $200 when it first was released. Motorola charged about $120-130.
It is similar to when people complained about a $600 PS3 only realize it originally cost $800 to manufacture them! Sony was losing money every time they made them and they got sold. They never truly recovered from that debacle. So I guess $4 to 10 smartphones aren't happening soon.
Are iPhones too expensive? Uh, yeah. I get to thinking what Apple plans to do with their future? They aren't charitable. They aren't innovative anymore. What are their ambitions? Be the first trillion dollar company? I thought Apple was never about making the most money, right Steve? Do they want to sell overpriced smartphones for rest of their lives or do they want to change the world?
I was reading the $4 Freedom 521 which got cancelled in India and the specs it had cost about $30-$40. So for $29.99 Lumia 640 and Moto E2, I probably got it below its bill of sale. Microsoft charged the Lumia about $200 when it first was released. Motorola charged about $120-130.
It is similar to when people complained about a $600 PS3 only realize it originally cost $800 to manufacture them! Sony was losing money every time they made them and they got sold. They never truly recovered from that debacle. So I guess $4 to 10 smartphones aren't happening soon.
Are iPhones too expensive? Uh, yeah. I get to thinking what Apple plans to do with their future? They aren't charitable. They aren't innovative anymore. What are their ambitions? Be the first trillion dollar company? I thought Apple was never about making the most money, right Steve? Do they want to sell overpriced smartphones for rest of their lives or do they want to change the world?
is that 80 dollars after taxes or before taxes?
Seriously not going to run my business on an $80 phone; and this is just me speaking. FaceTime, iMessage, iCloud photo sharing is important to me. Longevity and support is important.
Apples future plans:
- big into healthcare, telehealth innovations
- human rights they seem to be the leader here
- philanthropy outside sources rate their programs highly and Apple has given away $100m in the past
- American company who wants to change the world - nuff said
Support? For what? User error? Just buy a phone that works out of the box and understand how to use it. I never have any problems with my phones.
Actually, I think it was more like $65 that I paid through Virgin Mobile. I wouldn't run a business off of this phone either, but that is not what the OP was offering up. He/she was talking about very basic use that almost any smart phone is capable of. I don't see this as a compelling reason to spend $700.
How bout drop the phone and crack the screen support? I can walk into an Apple Store and get a new phone and be up and running in .5 hour. If you are happy with your $65 phone, go for it. I have iOS 9.3.3 b5 on my iPad 2; circa 2011. Probably another year or two on 5s for support. I like my iPhone as in the end it just works and lasts; unless I drop it.
Not everybody has "basic use". In fact most younger people have more than basic use at hand. It's the older ones that are "the basic use" types.
Yeah. I don't really drop my phones in the ground. Never broke a screen. A little bit of care can save a person a lot of money.
I do t really either, but my iPad 2 hit the ground(I didn't do it), my 5s fell screen down on rocks, was lucky only screen protector got damaged, 6s got doused with a cup of hot coffee(cleaned it with rubbing alcohol and moved on). These threads a filled with similar sentiment but accidents happen.
Exactly, for you the iPhone is worth what you paid for it because you feel that it's not overpriced and it's worth what you paid for it.
Native video calling would imply that all or the majority of your contacts have an iPhone so you can use FaceTime. If the all or the majority of your contacts do not have an iPhone then the native video calling would not be beneficial as in my case. iMessage in your opinion is the best but again it only works if all or the majority of your contacts have an iPhone, again which is not the case for me. Now, the Messaging app, the simplicity of it is nice I will admit that. iCloud photo sharing with family, again similar story as it requires everyone you're sharing with to use an iPhone.
You're the target audience for Apple products as you use a lot of their services and the majority of your contacts have at least an iPhone. I prefer multi-platform apps so I am not tied to any OS, I do not like how Apple is so proprietary with their stuff. I believe Apple at one point said that FaceTime would be an open source standard, but that never happened.
I think you're missing the point. The android phone that was mentioned for $80 is capable of doing everything that the OP mentioned uses his/her phone for. Also, Apple's future plans that you mentioned have nothing to do with functionality of a device right now which is what the topic is about.
I totally understand; if your basic check boxes are:
1 emails
2 Facebook
3 calls
Every phone these days can do that. But how many on here, meaning MR, to use this as an example, "only" do 1,2,3?
So let's extend this list a little bit.
1 phone call
2 emails
3 Facebook
4 Twitter
5 Pokemon go
6 clash of clans
7 snapchat
8 mobile strike
9 Microsoft word
10 Microsoft PowerPoint
11 Dropbox
12 Documents
Of course there are not many people in MR "only" do "1-12", but even that, currently an android device can already serve the need for those users. None of those are iPhone exclusive.
You say "overprice" is a subjective matter and it depends on how an individual see the price of a product. Then you think it is not overpriced does not change the fact that iPhone IS overpriced. This is a common sense for majority of people around the world.
I have tons of free time at work because the type of job I have so I'm on my phone a lot. As far as using the phone, I do text messages coming in and going out often all day, internet search, watching YouTube videos.. And my phone stays plugged in pretty much the whole shift. My phone is used for my work phone too. Just about anything you can think of I use my phone for on a continuous basis. My iPhone has been flawless, every once in a great while I will shut her off and turn her back on.
A $60-$100 Android just isn't going to keep up the pace like the iPhone when you actually use the phone a great deal for more than simple tasks. Budget smartphones just don't have the horsepower and if they do they are going to be lacking in other ares, memory , memory management etc etc. I know budget Android phones are getting better and do a great deal for the low price tag...That little extra iPhone offers is worth the extra money.
It's a computer in your pocket and I believe in having quality not junk. I want something that does more and goes beyond, even if it's simply running smoothly all the time and going to be a long lasting device.
You can take a new Chevy Impala and race it around a track, and it will go round and round for awhile , but a car more suitable that will hold up like a Porsche 911 turbo would be the best bet. I feel the same way about the iPhone as being the smartphone in my pocket VS some Android...Got to have something that will hold up to the stresses and test of time..
A $60-$100 Android just isn't going to keep up the pace like the iPhone when you actually use the phone a great deal for more than simple tasks. Budget smartphones just don't have the horsepower and if they do they are going to be lacking in other ares, memory , memory management etc etc. I know budget Android phones are getting better and do a great deal for the low price tag...That little extra iPhone offers is worth the extra money.
It's a computer in your pocket and I believe in having quality not junk. I want something that does more and goes beyond, even if it's simply running smoothly all the time and going to be a long lasting device.
You can take a new Chevy Impala and race it around a track, and it will go round and round for awhile , but a car more suitable that will hold up like a Porsche 911 turbo would be the best bet. I feel the same way about the iPhone as being the smartphone in my pocket VS some Android...Got to have something that will hold up to the stresses and test of time..
Sure overpriced compared to the earths population, but not necessarily to apples customers. Now if you add in support and longevity and native video, messaging and iCloud photo sharing and a dash of simplicity along with device integration the outcome looks a bit different.
So you mention services. Sure, we also know What Apple sells to us is not just a single iPhone, but a lot of services including all you have mentioned, and the cost of those services varies enormously too. We don't need to mention those even vague R&D cost.
Add all of those above, then someone may assume "hmm, seems that iPhone is not that costly" and boom, they buy an iPhone. But hardware wise, especially hardware quality wise, for lots of people, iPhone is still overpriced, no matter how we both think, especially when recent android device quality has improved a lot.
Kinda realise I am spinning rather than moving forward.
You know what, I kinda agree. A Ferrari is overpriced for a lot of people and yet there is a two year waiting list. This notion of "a lot of people" is the problem with your discussion. Apple isn't targeting the phone to those who think they are overpriced, they don't care what you think about the price. You want the phone you buy it. In your vien of logic "a lot of people" will find a second hand $80 phone overpriced. Because you can't quantity your rationale.So you mention services. Sure, we also know What Apple sells to us is not just a single iPhone, but a lot of services including all you have mentioned, and the cost of those services varies enormously too. We don't need to mention those even vague R&D cost.
Add all of those above, then someone may assume "hmm, seems that iPhone is not that costly" and boom, they buy an iPhone. But hardware wise, especially hardware quality wise, for lots of people, iPhone is still overpriced, no matter how we both think, especially when recent android device quality has improved a lot.
Kinda realise I am spinning rather than moving forward.
It was fun.
Seriously overpriced is a value judgment. Costs to much = expensive I can agree. I don't understand how anyone could argue how anyone else's subjective opinion of pricing is was my point. You can't, except for maybe one or two people you know...but saying "many people find the iPhone overpriced" is both hyperbole and true. People could find it "overpriced" without any intention of buying it....My wife needs a new phone and I will be giving her my iPhone 6. I have been saving for an iPhone 7 and was planning to get it in September. However, I may need to get a new phone soon.
I have been using Apple products (iPhones + MacBooks + iPads) exclusively for the past 6 years. However, I think the time has come for me to make a change. I can no longer justify paying $1200 CAD for a phone. As strong as my preference is for Apple products, I just have better ideas of what I can be doing with my money. Maybe it is part of maturity or Canadian dollar. I have placed an order for OnePlus 3 $500 CAD and will be trying Android tomorrow.
I am willing to let go of iMessage and iCloud as I have enough knowledge and skills to setup alternative solutions. I hope that I will enjoying using Android as my last experience with Android was not so pleasant but that was 7 years ago.
I have been using Apple products (iPhones + MacBooks + iPads) exclusively for the past 6 years. However, I think the time has come for me to make a change. I can no longer justify paying $1200 CAD for a phone. As strong as my preference is for Apple products, I just have better ideas of what I can be doing with my money. Maybe it is part of maturity or Canadian dollar. I have placed an order for OnePlus 3 $500 CAD and will be trying Android tomorrow.
I am willing to let go of iMessage and iCloud as I have enough knowledge and skills to setup alternative solutions. I hope that I will enjoying using Android as my last experience with Android was not so pleasant but that was 7 years ago.
I wish you luck with that. I've had countless android devices over the years from top end to budget and non just work as an iPhone does, all had some issue whether it be battery life or slowing down and required some degree of tinkering. I mean we're at the stage now where Android phones are requiring 4gb+ of ram just to run smoothly, it says a lot that about the state of Android, not to mention the malware that seems to be reported every other month.