Thread dedicated to whining about MWNY

[tjwett]

Re: Now that you have good hardware

Originally posted by sturm375


Since you can't wait for Apple to get it's act together, and you still dispise windows, I have another option for you. Linux

Since I am not in the field you are, I don't know the specifics, however, I have seen (on The Screen Savers), some very good FREE!! Graphics, and Audio editing software for Linux. Also, if I am not mistaken, one of the major computer animation houses (PIXAR?) has moved exclusivly to Linux.

Since you are still new to windows, you won't lose much on the learning curve. And today's distrobutions of linux are almost as user-friendly as MS or Apple.

Some good distro's of Linux:
www.suse.com
www.redhat.com
www.mandrakelinux.com

And for free distro's to download:
www.linuxiso.org

Information at:
www.linux.org
www.linuxquestions.org

And find yourself a local users group, they're everywhere, and just as nice (sometimes nicer) than Mac users. Not only that, but you've already got something in common: Hatred of MS

dude, thanks for the heads up. unfortunately the software i use is only for Mac or PC. but sincere thanks for taking the time and realising my intentions here. i'm still interested in Linux as an OS and will checkout the links.

 

[sneed]

Nope

I have never heard or scene any reference that said those emails were free for life except in these forums. In fact, the only thing I have heard is that it would be free for OS9 users only.

Perhaps, someone here should start a new company that only provides free web services to replace .mac. They could call it ".lunch".

 

[drastik]

Originally posted by dobbin
They said that iTools is free for users of OS 9.x (before X came out).

They said mac.com email was part of iTools.

They said the email would be for life.

I think that implies that email would be free for life, but only for the life of OS 9.

Steve jobs said OS 9 is dead (he even had a coffin I think!)

So, no more free email then??!!

Just my 2p.

Dobbin

No offense Dobbin, but I can say anything I want on these boads and say its true. what I'm really looking for is somekind of proof.

 

[sedulous2000]

.mac

YOU CHEAP BASTARDS...ENJOY YOUR AMD GARBAGE, YOU KNOW OS X IS THE HOT ****!!!

 

[Harthansen]

Re: Re: Free email for life?? False advertising!

Originally posted by cleo


This has got to be one of the more humorous "Apple is stealing from us!" posts in the past 24 hours. You're telling me you've spent, what, $12-15,000 on Macs in the past four years and yet don't have a measly $49 to keep your email address plus a bunch of cool extras?

Ugh, I hate stupid people.

I never said apple is stealing from us. Just that they are getting greedy. I buy a new one each year then sell the old one on ebay. So I really don't spend that much. I am not rich I make about $50,000 a year. It is not $49 that is just the suck you in price. It's $99 a year. The other cool things it includes I don't give a **** about they are all replaced by a CD-RW. I can get email address for much cheaper.
-H

 

[Harthansen]

Re: Re: Free email for life?? False advertising!

Originally posted by Moxiemike


>A moronic customer jumping the gun without researching things. >Yes, you are a MORON. An Idiot. A whiner. Yes, I'm flaming you. >Why??? This is why:

>Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account

Ummm that option was not available when I started this thread. I called apple even to bitch oh sorry whine and they told me nothing of this option. I may be a whiner, but I am sure I am far smarter then you.

 

[Harthansen]

Originally posted by mcrain
All you business users who are complaining about the $129 cost of OSX 10.2 and the cost of the .Mac should really check your math.

Last time I checked (and considering my line of work, that was recently), you can deduct the cost of your business related hardware and software.

That means, Joe Public is really paying for part of your upgrade.

If you are a business, or are using it for business purposes, write the check, use the better software, and at the end of the year, go see your accountant.

As for the individual users, they don't have that luxury/benefit.

That is at best a 25% discount.

 

[Moxiemike]

Re: Re: Re: Free email for life?? False advertising!

Originally posted by Harthansen

Originally posted by Moxiemike


>A moronic customer jumping the gun without researching things. >Yes, you are a MORON. An Idiot. A whiner. Yes, I'm flaming you. >Why??? This is why:

>Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account

Ummm that option was not available when I started this thread. I called apple even to bitch oh sorry whine and they told me nothing of this option. I may be a whiner, but I am sure I am far smarter then you.

Funny. When I called apple they told me that When my trial expires, i have the option of keeping my mac.com email account as an email-only account, and referenced me to that web page.

Bye bye bubba. Nice try. You obviously have no clue. Back to work for yoU!

I think you're lying.

 

[kiwi_the_iwik]

Re: quit your b*tchin

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Suck it up, and either pay for the upgraded account, don't pay, or downgrade it to JUST email. Either way, you need to stop whining about it. It makes you seem like a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

Well, why don't you just bend over and let them "nail you one" in the process?

Let's talk about this:

1. It's not a MONTHLY outlay - it's yearly. Not everyone gets paid in $US - for example, the $(Australian) exchange rate SUCKS right now, and it's not as if you get much change out of $3500(AU) for even an iMac. So now, a lot of us can't justify the cost of shelling out more money for a service which has been expected from Apple right from the beginning, especially when we ALL know that Apple don't make their equipment cheap.

2. You don't get to keep your free .mac.com email account if you don't pay the money, and amend the email preferences file as it says in so many posts on this site. On www.xlr8yourmac.com they've done a bit of research, and found that you only gain a free email account if you sign on as a PAID user to start with... ...Hmmm.

3. OK - so you don't pay, and you can't get your free .mac.com email account. What about the incorporated Mail.app? It's been set up primarily for .mac.com anyway - so it seems like an incredible waste of space if you have to stuff around to find another POP account to link to.

4. And what if you've purchased the Applecare Protection Plan? Does all this mean that you can't access the iTools database, or use their discussion forums?

5. Some of us still don't have ADSL connections - and so the iDisk function is a complete waste of time, as it's painfully slow with a 56k modem.

6. What's the point of supplying antivirus protection, when Norton Anti Virus can take care of all your needs (as the industry standard)? AND it offers free updates via it's website using LiveUpdate. AND it's only a one-off payment.

7. Usually, if you've shopped around, you'll find that your ISP will normally supply you with a generous amount of webspace and/or storage space, including any number of email addresses, which is all included in the subscription fee. Why should I have to pay for the same thing twice? And whilst we're at it, a personalised web address STILL works out cheaper, with reasonably priced fees of between $10-$50 per year not unheard of, with free email accounts, and the option of having your personal webpage diverted from your ISP for free.

8. If you let this slide, when will it stop? As far as I'm concerned, you start how you mean to go on - and if Apple get away with this, it won't be long before you're paying for your software updates, or that they will only be available via the new .mac.com site. So we shouldn't be upset just because of the cost, but because of the precidence Apple are setting - and it's a dangerous one for us all.

Alpha, we should all be united in this. Read the threads around you - people are genuinely p!ssed at this. And Apple should at least LISTEN to the people who buy their products. After all - how can they possibly lose if they give us back the free email accounts? It could be one of the best ways of advertising on the net - a mac.com address shows not only your preference of computer, but also how loyal you can be to it...

...and that can't be a bad thing, can it?

 

[Harthansen]

Re: Wait wait wait...

Originally posted by Gelfin
You're a professional video editor with a substantial investment in hardware, software and process, and you're telling me that you're going to chuck all that in the bin and start over with PCs because Apple might not continue to give you a free email account?

Something about this story doesn't wash.

Hardware I can sell on ebay and build 2 top of the line PC's for the price. I have to buy all new software anyway to make it OS-X compatable. I am probally not gonna swtich from Apple. I am just pissed at alot of apple bullsh** of late. You flamers need to chill out. Do you guys have so much pent up anger that you need to take it out on here, and this guy I quoted was nice compared to some of the flames I've gotten. God chill out.
-Hart

 

[Harthansen]

Re: Re: Free email for life?? False advertising!

Originally posted by Moxiemike


A moronic customer jumping the gun without researching things. Yes, you are a MORON. An Idiot. A whiner. Yes, I'm flaming you. Why??? This is why:

Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account

Apparently you need to take a look at the moron in the mirror because nothing you said is correct. I went to the links.
-Hart

 

[Moxiemike]

Re: Re: Re: Free email for life?? False advertising!

Originally posted by Harthansen


Apparently you need to take a look at the moron in the mirror because nothing you said is correct. I went to the links.
-Hart

This is the last time I talk to you. I posted stuff right from apple's site. You're a dumb ape, obviously.

 

[Sun Baked]

Make the switch to Amiga OS 4.0 - no more Apple, Linux, or MS to worry about - plus the faithful still claim it's the best computer and OS in the world.

Heck even the upgrade cycle for hardware and software so far has been a lot longer than anything else you'll ever find, lot's of savings there with fewer hw/sw upgrades.

Here's some pictures of the awsome new 600MHz G3 AmigaOne* to drool over.

Heck they're even offering an awsome $50 off coupon deal right now - which includes an Amiga t-shirt to show your support in a MS world - hurry the coupon only costs $50 right now.

* Case not included with purchase of an AmigaOne right now.

 

[King Cobra]

Harthansen, which to you is more reliable: Something posted on a website or a one-on-one over the phone?

 

[Harthansen]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Harthansen, do you expect Apple to make a different OS for video editing and another for the general public? Apple does not focus on one specific area all the time, which is why you may not see a speed increase or change in the particular field you are in. Apple focuses on the general public, making Jaguar available to everyone. It focuses on trying to make your life easier by getting rid of all these bugs and speed issues, while adding features and other applications within the OS. If you find Jaguar to be too buggy for you as a video editor (assuming you have even tried Jaguar) then you obviously ƒucked too much with your computer. I noticed the price tag of stuff you purchased for your Mac. Did you ever take a moment to think that you may have done something to cause these bugs or such? Have you tried running the utilities or refreshing your Hard Drive? Even if you did this on a peecee you will constantly get errors. And you say you have less problems with OS X and even fewer on heXPee? Then obviously you did something wrong with OS X. These errors would not come up unless you did something to your computer or the software, plain and simple. As for your speed comparisons, whatever they may be, you are still working on a buggy computer, a peecee.

I don't think you guys are really reading my posts. I said I get far less crashes on OS-x then the PC. I give that to apple. I have not used Jaguar and never said I did. I realize that Jaguar was made with the consumer in mind. This does not bother me. I also assume the more stability has also been included in this up date. I did not do anything to my mac to cause it to crash more. I only use it for work. So all I have done is install software on it. I write programs, and build PC's so I am a basic computer dork. So if saomething is wrong I can usually fix it. It is not the crashing that I have the mjor problems with on OS-X. My major problems with OS-X is the ease of use that it has lost since it's switch from OS9. The fact that I have to buy all new software so that it will work with OS-X. Not only do I have to buy all new software, but all the plugins for the software I have I have to buy all new plug in's!!!! After Effects, final cut pro and Photoshop. All are not compatable with any of their OS9 plug ins. The same applies for Audio recording software. Do you know how much all that will cost.

 

[drastik]

Originally posted by mcrain
All you business users who are complaining about the $129 cost of OSX 10.2 and the cost of the .Mac should really check your math.

Last time I checked (and considering my line of work, that was recently), you can deduct the cost of your business related hardware and software.

That means, Joe Public is really paying for part of your upgrade.

If you are a business, or are using it for business purposes, write the check, use the better software, and at the end of the year, go see your accountant.

As for the individual users, they don't have that luxury/benefit.

Right you are sir, now if I can just use this Porche for my editing biz...

 

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Re: quit your b*tchin

Originally posted by AlphaTech
you CAN get JUST email for free,

How?

 

[King Cobra]

A little mix-up on my part there, Harthansen. I thought that when you mentioned "OS-x is no where near as easy to use as OS 9.x with 9.x you had total control" there were problems with the software, causing such lack of ease of use. So forget that part.

>Do you know how much all that will cost.
Well, the upgrade to FCP from version 2 should be $299, I think. The Adobe plug-ins I'm not too sure about, and neither am I about the audio. But a guy like you can't afford to pay 4 digits for software if you make 50k a year? It's not like you're buying a car.

If you had the $$ would you get the software and stay with Macs?

 

[Harthansen]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Free email for life?? False advertising!

Originally posted by Moxiemike


This is the last time I talk to you. I posted stuff right from apple's site. You're a dumb ape, obviously.

No you dumb piece of sh*t. Those links you posted do not bring you anywhere, but to mac.com's homepage. There is no option to get an email only account, unless you have already bought a .mac account!!! why don't you try reading! Do you need hooked on phonics? I am sure the local high school has night classes for thier slower students.
-Hart

 

[Durandal7]

The Official .mac Complaint Thread

If you have a problem with .mac discuss it here. We don't need 15 threads complaining about e-mail when one thread would do fine. Go nuts.

 

[Harthansen]

Originally posted by King Cobra
A little mix-up on my part there, Harthansen. I thought that when you mentioned "OS-x is no where near as easy to use as OS 9.x with 9.x you had total control" there were problems with the software, causing such lack of ease of use. So forget that part.

>Do you know how much all that will cost.
Well, the upgrade to FCP from version 2 should be $299, I think. The Adobe plug-ins I'm not too sure about, and neither am I about the audio. But a guy like you can't afford to pay 4 digits for software if you make 50k a year? It's not like you're buying a car.

If you had the $$ would you get the software and stay with Macs?

Your talking with all the upgrades I need, about the price of a top end powermac and powerbook. Those plug ins are $300+ each. $50,000 a year is not alot of money. Especially when I am spending alot on equiptment.
-Hart

 

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Re: The Official .mac Complaint Thread

Originally posted by asurace
We don't need 15 threads

add this one.....16....come on people....let's make another one!

Good job, though, Asurace, I was thinking about doing the same but when I saw the one with 47 posts, mine wouldn't have mattered at that point.... Good luck on this one, though

 

[King Cobra]

Damn, that's harsh. But at least answer this: If you had the cash for the hardware/software, would you get that and stick with Macs and OS X?

 

[Durandal7]

Re: Re: The Official .mac Complaint Thread

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger

add this one.....16....come on people....let's make another one!

Ah, but hopefully people will stop posting them at this point

 

[zarathustra]

Originally posted by tjwett


Forgive me. When I here "PC", I think "Windows". And I don't at all hate Apple. I've been a Mac user for many years. Never used anything else. And I did not intend to start a Mac vs PC war. I know NOTHING about PCs or Windows. I will not lie and say I wasn't a bit(very) peaved with today's announcements. And I definitely don't agree with whatever it is they are doing. The iTools(.mac) thing drives me nuts and if there is no upgrade price for 10.2 I'll chew my arm off. I don't think I'm alone in feeling a little left in the past with our current crop of hardware. Perhaps this is not the correct place to unload my anger for Apple but I already did, with no harm intended. I'm not expecting Windows to be a great experience by any means but if it can crunch numbers fast and cheap then I'll deal with it until something better comes along.

OK. Let me understand:

1. You have been into audio/video, assuming on a Mac.
2. Apple starts charging 49.00 for .Mac (a service that can be replaced)
3. $129 for an OS upgrade is enough to chew your arm off.
4. You buy two new Pentium systems for $2400 vs. $180 for upgrades , and abandon a system that even by your admission works best for you?

My only understanding of all this is that you are either pretending to be a professional audio/video mac user or you are just full of it.
I personally work on an "OLD" 400 Mhz system and, granted, sometimes it feels sluggish with a 900 MB photoshop file, but it's a proven tool that I can rely on.
Later.