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Can you tell us what benefits we had over 50 years? We managed before joining, and struggled ever since. We did get straight cucumbers. Remember the wine mountain, milk mountain, butter mountain, olive oil mountain? Mass production of produce no one wanted, until the Germans told France to stop their nonsense as it was bankrupting the EU. Lived through 7 secession since joining the EU. Can't the EU run anything properly? They are a glorified council. And look how all councils perform. Glad we left, the future is bright and not tied down, with dictators, unelected overpaid civil servants, wokie snowflakes who lack any skills, who lack any competency, they really couldn't run a bath. Just look how they handled the COVID crisis. This is how they have run the EU for 50 years.
Utter bilge. You think the EU are managing COVID worse that the UK government? The UK currently has the highest infection rate in the world and a large number of EU nations have overtaken the UK on vaccinating their citizens.

Brexit was only ever about people like you using sovereignty as a fig leaf to excuse your xenophobia. Get it the sea, boomer.
 
I can't find further information, is it all new contracts? At least Vodafone has a tier that still has free roaming.
 
You mean approving quicker a less effective vaccine that had more side effects. Yeah great. And despite that in many major European countries there is now a higher vaccination rate than in the U.K., so thanks to the European vaccination programme they managed to vaccinate more people than the U.K. and with better vaccines. To name a few: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Denmark… but the list goes on.

Pure silliness. All the vaccines have side effects. Some may not be known for years, either, so be careful what you say. As to the vaccine roll out, the UK was first in the world, and was way ahead of Europe, by some margin, for months. That is impressive in a time-bound crisis. Also, yes, the EU is getting ahead now in terms of vaccination rates, but those rates vary from country to country quite widely, and some countries are heavily pushing for child and teen vaccination, and are enforcing stringent vaccine passports, which have driven up vaccination rates: two factors which the UK is still working out. There is some conflict here in the UKL about the extent to which vaccination should be compelled generally and in the child population specifically. Context, and not Anglophobia, is important in such debates.
 
And that, regrettably, sums up the whole shambles.
  • Roaming fees re-introduced
  • Border down the Irish Sea
  • Able to catch more fish but unable to sell them
  • Labour shortages throughout the economy thanks to the loss of thousands of EU workers (Truck Drivers, Nurses, Food Production workers to name but a few)
  • Less ability to prevent illegal immigration (look up what Dublin III mean't of which we are no longer part)
  • Loss of security (believe me, we do not have anwhere near the access to shared intelligence databases that we once did
  • Vast red tape for logsitics where there was none before
  • Damage to the City of London (Billions of £ of business lost to EU that won't be back). Thousands of high-tax-paying jobs lost as a result
And that barely scratches the suface of what people claimed was 'Project Fear' and wouldn't happen.
Meanwhile trade deals with the rest of the world, would be worse for us (lower standards, more local competition) that the one we had with the EU

And of course, if we want to sell our good to the EU (biggest export market by far) we have to follow their standards anyway, just without any say on what those standards were.

With the recent story about national insurance increase, I was wondering where is that 350 million a week money and can't we just use that money.
 
The EU is a failed socialist club, with Holland, Italy & Greece (both bankrupt economies), Denmark, Poland and Hungary thinking about leaving as well. UK taxpayers paid £14 billion pa, a loss of £14 billion pa, for this club with zero benefits (apart from straight cucumbers). You really don't need the Internet for anything whilst on holiday, you can still get it with free wifi. It was an idea I originally thought would be good to compete with the USA, until I found out how it is funded, and how flawed it is. You do know EU bureaucrats don't pay a penny in tax? VAT rates vary in every country, laws varies in every country, incomes vary in every country, China & Japan weren't superpowers back then. The EU has failed in everything. Poverty still exists and is growing in most EU countries. So what is the point of the EU? Leaving was the best decision and will be proven, as the EU can't carry on with Diane Abbotts maths or economic policies. Don't forget the UK nearly went bust in 1976, just 2 years after joining the nirvana the EU was promised to be. One disaster after another.
POLAND is not thinking leaving! ;)
 
The EU would be utterly foolish to want the likes of Nigel Farell and Bojo back in. If you elect jokers and liars, you suffer the consequences of the mess they make / hide from you.
I don't think it would ever come to that given it is my understanding that any new EU member, which the UK would be, is required to adopt the Euro as their national currency. Do you really think the UK population (mostly England and Wales) would firstly consider going to the EU "cap in hand" asking to be let back in and at the same time would accept letting go of the Pound? So the question of giving up the Pound for the Euro would make it a no go from the outset.
 
The EU would be utterly foolish to want the likes of Nigel Farell and Bojo back in. If you elect jokers and liars, you suffer the consequences of the mess they make / hide from you.

Bojo And Nigel are English. We don't vote for them, the English do.
 
Silly question really. For one thing, it's early days since the Withdrawal Agreement, which in many ways is still be worked on, and, for another, a certain tiny little virus has decided to cause a global catastrophe.
How is it a silly question? You say we have these opportunities but can't name one. So for all you know, there are none. And being worked on? 6 years later and still being worked on? How long are you prepared to wait? I didn't see any mention in the Leave campaign that there MAY be better opportunities if you are prepared to wait for X amount of years. The world hasn't stopped working because of the pandemic. These agreements can still be worked on now, but I see Brexiters have found a new excuse. Let's see what's the new excuse after the pandemic is over
 
Utter bilge. You think the EU are managing COVID worse that the UK government? The UK currently has the highest infection rate in the world and a large number of EU nations have overtaken the UK on vaccinating their citizens.

Brexit was only ever about people like you using sovereignty as a fig leaf to excuse your xenophobia. Get it the sea, boomer.
You obviously don't understand what is going on in Israel or the problems of first-to-vaccinate countries. All countries are at different stages of the crisis. Please calm down.
 
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Another option is to use an e-sim as your main phone line, and add a local sim for data when you travel. Works out cheaper and you can still call local numbers

I think most of you are missing the point of what the agreement is about. It's about having the same identical conditions wherever you are in the EU and one main component of it is to call your home country. If I am Spanish and travel to Belgium I can call back to Spain without additional costs. If I travel to the UK, even if I buy a local sim/eSIM I will incur in international charges if I call Spain. I am aware you can do that with VOIP but most people (who don't write on tech blogs) still do normal phone calls
 
I don't think it would ever come to that given it is my understanding that any new EU member, which the UK would be, is required to adopt the Euro as their national currency. Do you really think the UK population (mostly England and Wales) would firstly consider going to the EU "cap in hand" asking to be let back in and at the same time would accept letting go of the Pound? So the question of giving up the Pound for the Euro would make it a no go from the outset.
Why? If you get paid in Euro or paid in Pound, you still get paid and have the same spending power. These days people might was well get paid in digital credits as you pay for everything with a tap. No one is going to care if they get paid €20,000 instead of £20,000 if their £500 rent becomes €500 and their grocery shop remains the same.
 
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Maybe vaccine rollout? Without being in the EU the UK could approve the vaccine quicker (I think, not 100% sure) certainly not a benefit drew up when the country voted to leave in 2016 though
You're still paying more because you can't use the minutes and data you had already paid for, which wasn't the case when we were still a state in the EU.

It's like if New York voted to leave the US and now you have to pay roaming charges when using Apple Maps in Atlantic City.
 
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I love how this is supposedly a Brexit thing, yet three are changing their entire stance on roaming, including free data use in the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Vietnam and many other entities outside the EU. In other words, they're jumping on the "People think we're going to cancel our free roaming because of Brexit, let's cancel it now and make some extra money!" bandwagon.

Nothing to do with Brexit I'm afraid. Pure greed.
well, without Brexit they wouldn't be allowed to "change their stance on roaming" in the EU, greed or no greed
 
How is it a silly question? You say we have these opportunities but can't name one. So for all you know, there are none. And being worked on? 6 years later and still being worked on? How long are you prepared to wait? I didn't see any mention in the Leave campaign that there MAY be better opportunities if you are prepared to wait for X amount of years. The world hasn't stopped working because of the pandemic. These agreements can still be worked on now, but I see Brexiters have found a new excuse. Let's see what's the new excuse after the pandemic is over
Unfortunately, a very weak government led by May, aggressive tactics from Remain MPs in Parliament, a deliberately difficult EU negotiating team, and numerous court actions, led to many wasted years until Boris was elected on a manifesto to "Get Brexit Done", so don't present the pre-2020 years as Brexiteers wasting time. It had a lot to do with Remain arrogance and grandstanding. The chief benefit of Brexit is that the UK is now a nation state that has reclaimed many powers to set its own course, whether the electorate votes one party or another, untied to the EU superstate, which is increasingly federal and undemocratic. I don't have time to write at length about EU federalisation, centralisation and anti-democracy, but there are many good essays about this on the net. I am excited that we can set our own policies for immigration, which is already making it easier for Australian citizens to move to the UK, and I look forward to the UK creating more Commonwealth relations and agreements, so that we can look globally, including to Asia, rather than being tied to Western Europe, in which we still have a lot of influence (read about the deep Anglo-French relations to understand why that is). But we must shift to the changing realities of a more globalised world. We are a free trade nation no longer tied to the world's biggest regulator. The next decades will be very interesting, either way. Brexit certainly wasn't about the next few years, but about the long future. It was, after all, a once in a lifetime decision, with implications for the next century or more.
 
Everyone campaigned and voted according to known parameters. You talk as if the lack of requirement for a qualified majority was a surprise. If people don't vote, then they don't count, because they can't be counted! 52% of voters wanted out. Parliament agreed with the vote. Subsequent elections put a Brexit-supporting party back in power, most recently with a historic landslide. The democratic mandate for Brexit is unquestionable (except where Remoaners are concerned).
the fact that "what is the EU?" was the most common google search in the UK in the days after Brexit says a lot about how valid was the democratic mandate
 
The EU is a failed socialist club, with Holland, Italy & Greece (both bankrupt economies), Denmark, Poland and Hungary thinking about leaving as well. UK taxpayers paid £14 billion pa, a loss of £14 billion pa, for this club with zero benefits (apart from straight cucumbers). You really don't need the Internet for anything whilst on holiday, you can still get it with free wifi. It was an idea I originally thought would be good to compete with the USA, until I found out how it is funded, and how flawed it is. You do know EU bureaucrats don't pay a penny in tax? VAT rates vary in every country, laws varies in every country, incomes vary in every country, China & Japan weren't superpowers back then. The EU has failed in everything. Poverty still exists and is growing in most EU countries. So what is the point of the EU? Leaving was the best decision and will be proven, as the EU can't carry on with Diane Abbotts maths or economic policies. Don't forget the UK nearly went bust in 1976, just 2 years after joining the nirvana the EU was promised to be. One disaster after another.

Oh yeah when I look at the economics of the dominant European People's Party and the European Central Bank "socialism" is the first thing that springs to my mind.
 
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Everyone campaigned and voted according to known parameters. You talk as if the lack of requirement for a qualified majority was a surprise. If people don't vote, then they don't count, because they can't be counted! 52% of voters wanted out. Parliament agreed with the vote. Subsequent elections put a Brexit-supporting party back in power, most recently with a historic landslide. The democratic mandate for Brexit is unquestionable (except where Remoaners are concerned).
It was advisory, which the government ignored. As for unquestionable...
 
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Unfortunately, a very weak government led by May, aggressive tactics from Remain MPs in Parliament, a deliberately difficult EU negotiating team, and numerous court actions, led to many wasted years until Boris was elected on a manifesto to "Get Brexit Done", so don't present the pre-2020 years as Brexiteers wasting time. It had a lot to do with Remain arrogance and grandstanding. The chief benefit of Brexit is that the UK is now a nation state that has reclaimed many powers to set its own course, whether the electorate votes one party or another, untied to the EU superstate, which is increasingly federal and undemocratic. I don't have time to write at length about EU federalisation, centralisation and anti-democracy, but there are many good essays about this on the net. I am excited that we can set our own policies for immigration, which is already making it easier for Australian citizens to move to the UK, and I look forward to the UK creating more Commonwealth relations and agreements, so that we can look globally, including to Asia, rather than being tied to Western Europe, in which we still have a lot of influence (read about the deep Anglo-French relations to understand why that is), but we must better related to a more globalised world. The next decades will be very interesting, either way. Brexit certainly wasn't about the next few years, but about the long future. It was, after all, a once in a lifetime decision, with implications for the next century or more.
What an absolutely deplorable position. Wilfully giving up the union that was bringing our nations together for some daft views that the EU is "federalisation", "centralisation" and "anti-democracy". And I'll remind you, not once was Brexit a once in a lifetime thing. You are one general election away from going back into the EU where we can finally start healing wounds again and being part of something bigger.
 
Everyone campaigned and voted according to known parameters. You talk as if the lack of requirement for a qualified majority was a surprise. If people don't vote, then they don't count, because they can't be counted! 52% of voters wanted out. Parliament agreed with the vote. Subsequent elections put a Brexit-supporting party back in power, most recently with a historic landslide. The democratic mandate for Brexit is unquestionable (except where Remoaners are concerned).
I don't disagree, but if such an important decision can be made with such a small turnout and such a small majority, then it should be put to a vote every 5-10 years, or at least until 60%+ of the adult population (say 30m people) want one way or the other.
 
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the fact that "what is the EU?" was the most common google search in the UK in the days after Brexit says a lot about how valid was the democratic mandate
This forum is full of people who half-know things! Quite staggering, though, on the law of averages, most people here won't be the shiniest apples on the cart. You, sir, are wrong. In fact, the headline was "What is the EU?" is the second top UK question on the EU since the #EURefResults were officially announced. Please, please let us have a mature debate without lies or half-truths just to suit your Anglophobic position. So many people seem irritated that the UK made a democratic decision. The UK can do whatever it likes.
 
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