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Thunderbolt 3 Ports on Right Side of 13-Inch MacBook Pro Have Reduced PCI Express Bandwidth

nagromme said:
Let me guess... The sky now is now falling on hordes of trolls who will never notice any effect of this technical detail.

How many of the Chicken Littles actually need that bandwidth on even ONE port much less 3 to 4? And are actually in the market for the 13" Pro right now? How many were truly planning to get the 13" and hook up 4 TB3 devices that need that bandwidth? How many pay zero attention to far more significant positives, from screen quality to giant trackpad?

The melodramatic herd-weeping is quite entertaining :p
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I agree that the amount of negatives is a bit too much and sound a bit to theatrical to me as well. I do have some criticism tough but overall one can state that this machine is an upgrade, that's for sure. The only thign that puzzles me is the prizetag which I find a bit to harsh and one thing I really don't understand, why are the old models laptops still been sold for the same prize? Surely Apple could lower that prize a bit don't you think?
 
dragje said:
Second, the new polaris chip is truly a powerchip. Anyone buying this machine will not be disappointed when looking at the power they are getting.
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Nvidia's Pascal architecture kills Polaris. AMD still hasn't figured out how to create a GPU that draws little power.
 
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All of this whining on Macrumors is just a tempest in a teapot.

At the end of the day, Apple will post another record quarter of revenue:

75 million iPhones
10 million iPads
4.5 million Macs
lots of service revenue
lots of Apple watches

and nothing will change. The masses LOVE Apple.
 
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of you 'member', the first retina couldn't even scroll through safari without skipping frames! that's what you get from buying a first gen product from apple.

but i'm curious about their definition of 'slightly reduced'. will it be usb 3.0 like in the rMB??
 
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smoledman said:
Things like the iPhone 6 boom in China are the result of Apple's built-up brand image from the genius of Steve Jobs. Literally nothing from this current cast of characters has done anything but waste it. They're still so much momentum from 2001-2011 that Apple is making tons of profits but it won't last much longer.

Maybe this is all part of a grand cycle in the tech industry where Microsoft dominated for 15 years, than Apple for 10 years, than Microsoft/Google will. Something like that.
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Depends. Sure, there are plenty of questionable design decisions. However, imo Apple's bet on mobile SoC, the fact that they now have arguably the most efficient and powerful mobile SoC, can be a huge potential. Maybe the future Apple will not be the same Apple that we like.

Companies evolve. Take IBM, going from making computers into solution provider. Take Microsoft, companies that used to rely on licensing volumes is also moving towards a different business model. We already see Apple shifting, from making XServes, to focus on laptops, and now the focus on mobile. Considering the downward trend of PC, as a business, I can't blame Apple to shift focus.

Having said that, I do think if they are still making laptops, I would expect the level of details that I knew about Apple.
 
bladerunner2000 said:
Might wanna start lifting, bruh.
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No, a laptop should not be 7.5 pounds. I carry my laptop almost every day in my backpack, and even Apple's offerings are quite heavy. Whenever I leave my laptop at home and get my iPad, I feel like a feather, that's how much people get used to carrying laptops, which are actually heavy and bad for your spine. So, the lighter the better.
 
Seraph301083 said:
what you forgot:
- the missing mag safe
- the missing sd port
- the fact that you can't connect your iPhone without a dongle / adapter
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Why connect the iPhone with a cable.. are they not interconnected with the cloud? I am not hailing Apple, but some arguments seem like whining IMO.I do agree they are heading in the wrong direction. Probably hit an iceberg on the way, and falling behind of their competitors.

I have been waiting for four years for a noble successor of my dying MacBook pro (broken fan, battery not charging at full, dead pixels). Now time is running short, and surface looks so appealing. I already replaced my iPhone for a Nexus, time to say goodbye to Mac as well.
 
I really dont see the problem here since you cant put 2x5k or 4x4k displays because of the lack of the dgpu
 
Everyone loves to hate Apple included MR members now it seems. I can see why some people are disappointed with the ports and pricing issue, but those aside I was actually really impressed with the new line up. They look great and the touch bar looks absolutely fantastic, they made a model without it for the people who aren't interested which is great. Just think of all the things developers are going to integrate

I can see where they're going with USB C, it hurts now, but in the long run it will be great to have the same port for EVERYTHING, including android phones. I personally nearly never plug anything into my MacBook. The only port I'd miss is the SD card slot!

Its the perfect evolution to what Steve said about reaching up to touch a screen, it's not ergonomic on a laptop. If you want that they have the iPad Pro.
 
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smoledman said:
Nah. The ecosystem lock-in is so tight now 50 million people have nowhere to go. They might stare envious at the Surface Book or a Lenovo Yoga Book, but the siren call of macOS is too strong....
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That was true when the ecosystem was strong and worth being a part of. But when the ecosystem looks as though it is decaying from the inside, it makes sense to move to another system, despite any short-term heartache.

Looking at other ecosystems for the first time in a decade. Apple today looks like Blackberry when the iPhone was launched. Everyone could see Blackberry's impending demise, and Blackberry could do nothing to save itself.
 
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Wanted797 said:
Everyone loves to hate Apple included MR members now it seems. I can see why some people are disappointed with the ports and pricing issue, but those aside I was actually really impressed with the new line up. They look great and the touch bar looks absolutely fantastic, they made a model without it for the people who aren't interested which is great. Just think of all the things developers are going to integrate

I can see where they're going with USB C, it hurts now, but in the long run it will be great to have the same port for EVERYTHING, including android phones. I personally nearly never plug anything into my MacBook. The only port I'd miss is the SD card slot!

Its the perfect evolution to what Steve said about reaching up to touch a screen, it's not ergonomic on a laptop. If you want that they have the iPad Pro.
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I agree.
 
How can I connect a 30" dual link dvi display to the new TB3 Macbooks ? Apple's support page doesn't mention dvi...
 
Not an issue for me. The only extra thing I'll need for my Mac is an adapter with 2 USB A ports, HDMI and a SD card slot. Never in a million years would I need 4 full powered thunderbolt 3 ports and if I did, I'd probably need the power of a 15inch MacBook Pro. The whining here is top notch!
 
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aUniqueName said:
Everyone that is whining about this need to educate yourselves about how a computer works (not just apple computers but ALL PC's).

ALL motherboards have limited PCI lanes based on the Intel architecture/slot type. I built a Skylake i7 PC that had 2 PCI based M.2 SSDs running in raid 0. I also had a single GTX 1080. I would NOT be able to run 2 GTX 1080's in SLI in this system because I used up all the PCI bandwidth with the two M.2 SSDs and a single video card. If I wanted SLI, i would have to go back to a single M.2 or run the M.2 SSDs on the sata side (which would make it slower).

It is physics guys, its not something Apple skimped on, it is how the INTEL architecture works.

People make mountains out of mole hills due to lack of knowledge.
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We didn't want 4 effing (and useless) TB3 ports. We wanted ports we would use.

End of story.
 
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smoledman said:
I couldn't believe looking at the specs, no gigabit Ethernet port. Then I looked and found that the previous gen MBPr also had no Ethernet port.
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Actually I think USB-C is an improvement to this, because almost all docks and USB-C based monitors include an ethernet port.

Personally I don't much care for the price tag of these docks and monitors, so I have a USB-A hub with a 100MBit Apple USB-to-ethernet adapter hooked up. I've ordered the new (2016) rMBP and I'll just get a new USB-C cable to my current USB hub. Done.
 
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kcamfork said:
We didn't want 4 effing (and useless) TB3 ports. We wanted ports we would use.

End of story.
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No doubt Apple will lose customers over this but it is driving the industry forward with the new ports. It alienates people initially but then becomes the norm later and people forget. Buy a multi port or move to windows. Two simple solutions.
 
So guys, basically this is the first version which sucks in so many levels. Hope they make a quick update in next year releases tho? I'm skipping this one
 
dragje said:
Third, where are the updates for the macbook? And why doesn't Apple comes with a 15 inch macbook? I can't imagine that students will massively pay thousands of dollars for a macbook pro while a normal macbook would provide them with enough horsepower.
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So refreshing to read a moderate opinion weighing the pros and cons.

This point made me think, though. I'm a Dutchman too, and personally I've always been happy that our students weren't burdened by the 100K or more student debts that I'm reading about in the US news.

However, we're slowly getting there too. You said that you can't imagine students paying for the 15" rMBP. To which I would say: as a student, you're supposed to work hard and be frugal with the money you have, because you're borrowing! When I went to college, I never spent more than 350 guilders/euros on a laptop because the Apple stuff was simply too expensive for me. I finished college in 2001 with a 6000 euro debt, and paid it off in one year, then bought a house the next year.

Unfortunately that time is over. As for your worry about students not paying for the new rMBP, my hope is that they'll get the Air or the low-end 13". But I think the reality is that they'll simply dive deeper into debts and get a pricey 15". That's just the way it works nowadays.
 
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Students? As far as I know, their parents bought them that laptop as a graduation gift. Parents enjoy spoiling their children here. By the time my children go off to college, I suspect a MBP if Apple exists in that time, to be around $15,000 or more.
 
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Keirasplace said:
Some sites have controlled this with strict moderation, but it takes constant monitoring to do so.
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Until now, I see two sites whose comment sections are not poisoned:
https://news.ycombinator.com where there are two moderators but where the tone is kept very civil
https://slashdot.org where you get moderation points every now and then, and as a result, the discussion is quite good
 
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