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Thunderbolt 3 Ports on Right Side of 13-Inch MacBook Pro Have Reduced PCI Express Bandwidth
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Isn't it possible to prick a small splitter in?
I tought I saw it on a macbook once.
Time will tell, if you can stick the power in your dock or it just draws power from a doc adapter ...
At least it looks like a decent port, that's gonna get much more use, I don't have pure thunderbolt divices
after they dropped firewire from the unibody macbook.
2 is not a lot ... but there will be work arounds, like my air in It's stationary theme park of docks, dongles, cables, towers of stuff. Better buy a desk closet. My mac pro desks are empty ...
Honestly not sure why you seem to be so upset.
No I am not revising history, I just wasn't clear in my post and for that I apologize. My intention was to point out the fresh introduction (new model / case design) of their pro model laptops typically contained a legacy port IO port (of some kind) that was in a previous model, all until this release. Granted the only thing that has been highly consistent has been USB (1,2,3).
I should point out that your recollection of history is incorrect as the PowerBook G3 actually contained SCSI, Serial, PC Card and ADB for the first two generations, keeping SCSI until the 3rd generation (overlapping with USB and PC Card) before it was dropped. As far as video, I guess I don't put much weight on it, as many of us classic Mac users got used to needing adapters for that purpose for ages. We lived through adapting Apple video to VGA, ADC to DVI, etc. That said, your comments on non-legacy video outputs is totally valid.
I do agree with what others have stated, that the Retina MacBook should have been clear indication of what we should have expected before this new MBP was introduced. I had hoped they would have at least kept the tradition of their Pro devices, offering at least one legacy USB or TB port, or, possibly throwing in a Dongle like they did for the headphone jack on the iPhone 7.
I work in the field (often literally) so it's not the weight, it's the convenience of being able to pop a card out of a camera, into a laptop and work without any strings attached, or, worry about snapping off a tiny USB-C sized metal port off inside my laptop.
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I think they would have been better off just placing a single full speed TB3 port on each side and a couple of other ports instead. One for USB 2 for direct iPhone usage and a mini DP would have suited me nicely. I personally don't see the need for 4 TB3 ports anyway as who really needs all that bandwidth, therfore potentially confusing people who now have to learn about the power output and speed of each port for little or no gain to anyone. I suspect this is just a V1 issue though and when the Cannonlake variants come out next year (fingers crossed) all the issues will be sorted.
It is just fair, because the right position of touch ID favors right handed people. For justice, they get slower ports. Good apple.
I understand tech very well thank you. Apple have gone cheap on pros. But not today lowkey, I'm enjoying a relaxed day. Hope you are as well.
What worries me about the new MBP ports is that Apple don't apologise and don't go back. Don't expect the next MBP to have a magsafe, or different ports. This is it until TB4. And expect this treatment for the next iMac too.
I'd need that now, but it's also worth considering what you'll need tomorrow. If you plan on getting 3-5 years out of these machines (like I do. Either directly, as servers/renderers, or given to family members) then you need to think on and whats best to buy now, or if it's worth waiting until the next models.
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Three pack: Two USB-C to mini USB and one USB-C to USB-A adapter for £4.99. So you can charge one iPhone and two Samsung phones at the same time. That should keep you happy.
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That's exactly it. When I want to go out for the day with my Macbook Pro (2014 model) or my iPad Pro, I take the device. If I were to get this new one I'd need to take a range of adapters too.
Hopefully we are heading towards a situation where we have one port/connector to rule them all. But it's not there yet and the way to ease that is to just include a few adapters in with the £2700 computer.
You can buy a cable for $19, or you can buy an adapter (that lets you plug in any USB-A device) for £2.99. That adapter is so small you don't even notice it.
[edit]I went back and read and realize it effects both 13" models. In any case I am not sure screwed s appropriate. It looks like they opted to reduce the number of buses in the 13", but you still have access to a full speed TB 3 port or 2 if you need them.
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Read carefully what you just wrote: "Wasn't there a proposal for a universal connection/cable" followed by "Europe to have one charger for all mobile phones?". "Cable" and "charger" are not the same thing. You can charge for example any Samsung phone with an iPhone charger and any iPhone with a Samsung charger. They are exchangeable. The cables are not. And seriously, a dozen USB cables is probably less waste than a single SCART cable (if you remember those).
This isn't really an "issue". It only exists in the 13" models. Maybe space, maybe on purpose.
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If you consider that you can plug a seven port USB-C hub into each of these two ten gigabit ports...
Samsung sells external 250 and 500 GB SSD drives for a decent price. They have a maximum read and write speed of 450 MB / sec = 3.6 Gbit / second. These Thunderbolt 3 ports that "don't operate at full capacity" have 10 Gbit / second, so you can use a seven port USB-C hub, connect two SSD drives running at full speed, Gigabit ethernet, two huge spinning hard drives running at full speed, and a keyboard and a mouse, if that's what you want.
Well, don't forget you can actually use only max 3 ports at a time if you're charging the macbook simultaneously... The giant trackpad would be a nice touch if it allowed pen input. Otherwise a trackpad with a size of a wacom tablet seems pointless to me. And don't me that "who needs pen input" bullshat, it's labelled as a pro machine and since pros are about the only people who actually may have some use for thunderbolt, which is a thing I don't see changing in the near future, I see the lack of pen input (AKA "advanced pro feature") as a perfectly relevant reason to be angry. I suppose most of the day to day users, who were in the market for last generations of MBP don't really care about sRBG coverage too, so this an another thing that only people who work in graphics, need. But I get you, taking notes in college is so much easier if you have retina display with full sRGB profile....
Anyway, the longer I look at the computer, the more I see where Apple was heading with this. Away from the consumer market, towards "coffeeshop professionals".
Basically it means the Thunderbolt 3 ports on the right side of the 13" MacBook Pro don't have the full 40 Gigabits per second speed as the ones on th left side do but they still retain the thunderbolt 3 functionality such as daisy chaining. (It you have a TB 3 mass storage device and want have the fastest speed possible, plug it in on the left side). Most devices won't be affected as the USB 3.1 standard is still supported in these ports
When you buy a hard drive, do you upgrade to a premium cable just in case?
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You don't if you just buy the proper USB-C cable. But the same thing has happened with every port change like when USB came on the scene.
It means you can only connect one 5K monitor or two 4K monitors, because the slower ports can't handle them. On the other hand, that's one 5K monitor more than _any_ old MBP except the most expensive 15" MBP (only the one with the most expensive graphics card), and one 4K monitor more than _any_ old MBP except the most expensive 15" MBP.
And as I said, each of these "slow" ports handles a hub connected to two SSD drives, Gigabit Ethernet, and two spinning hard drives and using them simultaneously.
Here's what probably happened: These Apple engineers knew they had a chip with 12 PCIe lanes, they designed an MBP 13" with two fullspeed Thunderbolt ports using 4 PCIe lanes each, and then someone with six fingers on each hand counted and figured out they had four lanes unused.
Then a huge discussion: Should we add two more ports with two lanes each, or should we not? Some wise men warned: "I know that's two extra ports which are useful, but people on websites like MacRumors will complain that they are being cheated" vs. "But these two ports are each fast enough to handle two SSD drives, and people wouldn't be so stupid". Guess who was right. Had Apple listened to those who were right, we would have two ports and no complaints.
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If the new MBP (both sizes) at least had 2 TB3, 2 USB3 (not C type) & Magsafe 2 - that would be perfect, coz at the moment they made to many cuts on the new MBP for the money they asking for it, hopefully in the next revision they will had them back.
Also, I really don't get how they expecting people to charge and backup their iPhones, unless you getting adapter...
Also, I really don't get how they expecting people to charge and backup their iPhones, unless you getting adapter...
The reason they went for USB-C (or at least one of the reasons) is that USB-C is much more smaller, thus allowing Apple to design an even thinner MacBook Pro. Having USB 2 won't allow them to achieve the slimness it now is. Getting rid of USB2, ethernet, card slot etc was only a means to achieve the slimmer profile. I'd much rather have the ports than a few mms slimmer MacBook Pro and having to use and carry various adaptors.