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Thunderbolt 3/USB-C Adapters, Cables, and Hubs for New MacBook Pro
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What irony, I almost mentioned that. You work in schools iirc? I've heard lots of schools are still using projectors with VGA D-Sub. I suppose you think they should "get with the times" and throw those out for HDMI-enabled projectors? (oops, would still need a dongle for that now, lol)
If the new standards are truly that much better people will move to it on their own accord for the improvements. You don't have to convince people to move to 802.11n by disabling 802.11b access, for example. I'm not saying Apple has to leave Ethernet jacks on their machines until everybody and their uncle has stopped using it, but wired Ethernet is still very much the standard for office networking, regardless of the ideas of some.
People see the benefit of having more USB ports instead of serial ports for keyboards and mice, since those ports can be utilized for more devices than serial -- like wireless adapters for wireless keyboards/mice. Also, new keyboards and mice are cheap, and people generally get them with their new computer anyway so they don't have to buy them.
Heck, even if they have to buy an adapter those can be had for a few bucks (probably helps that Apple is not making them).
When people get mice that support both (come with adapter) and their motherboards have serial ports, I tell them to use that method to leave their available USB ports free for other things. That wouldn't fly for the Gamer that wants 1600 dpi performance, but for the average user they wont see a difference.
And a $19 adapter (or a cheaper adapter from Amazon) will work just fine. You're quibbling over $7-19. And in time those professional environments will adopt USB-C as that standard becomes more ubiquitous.
What you don't seem to get is that the USB-IF itself has realized that the USB-A port is a dead end. It doesn't work in mobile devices, and it doesn't have all the pins to support delivering power, display, data, and sound from a single port. They WANT USB-C to supplant USB-A. That won't happen unless PC makers push USB-C. Apple has done so in a big way.
Gotta love how defensive people get for Apple's terrible decisions.
"BUT ITS FASTER AND MORE UNIFORM AND PLUGS IN BOTH WAYS"
As if that nulls the pain of 99% of the devices around the house suddenly becoming incompatible with your laptop.
People have the right to criticize decisions made by Apple that they feel are poor. Stop being so upset over it, and cut it out with the sarcastic crap.
"BUT ITS FASTER AND MORE UNIFORM AND PLUGS IN BOTH WAYS"
As if that nulls the pain of 99% of the devices around the house suddenly becoming incompatible with your laptop.
People have the right to criticize decisions made by Apple that they feel are poor. Stop being so upset over it, and cut it out with the sarcastic crap.
"Pwwweeez don't point out the fallacies and hyperbole of my posts. I'm busy raging here
"You could try internalizing this and realized that this is not the MacBook SuckFests Special Flower Desires Pro
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Nothing became incompatible. You are a cable or adapter away from connecting them.
Great starting point for a serious discussion! So you only came to whine, after all.
And guess what, those TB3 ports can be used for more devices than the USB-A ports they replaced. Yes, in the short run it takes an adapter, but all the future USB improvements will be using that USB-C port.
And in the process angered professionals whose environments are still filled with USB-A and who (understandably) do not want to carry around dongles all day.
Things would be pretty different had Apple decided to bundle A-to-C adapters in the box. It wouldn't have completely fixed the problem here, but it would have made people a lot less bitter, since they don't have to spend hundreds more ontop of the already ridiculous prices in order to get back the I/O that they already had in the first place.
All of these comments remind me so much of when Apple ditched legacy ports for USB, or when Apple ditched the floppy drive, or to a lesser extent when they ditched the DVD/CD drive. Everything is going to be USB-C soon. It's the "one port for everything" we've been waiting for. If Apple would've included some of the older ports, it would only delay that (wonderful) inevitability since the demand for it would be way lower.
You need to stop posting like we're in third grade. Have some respect and grow up."Pwwweeez don't point out the fallacies and hyperbole of my posts. I'm busy raging here
Meanwhile a week ago I could just take my laptop with me wherever I wanted to go without having to worry about what dongles I may need later on.
Believe me, I've used a MacBook since 2015 and understand the inconvenience. But I see the potential and realize that it's worth the short-term pain for the long-term gain, particularly since the newer models have Thunderbolt 3 and not just USB-C 3.1 Gen 1. I've enjoyed using a battery pack to give my MacBook extra battery life on a long flight. I like the small size, and the USB-C data cables (very cheap from Monoprice) work great for Target Disk Mode between two MacBooks or a MacBook and new MacBook Pro.
Except there are far more USB-A devices on the planet than there are human beings. Floppy never reached that kind of popularity.
By the way, on another forum, I saw this:
"After the Hello Again event, a friend sent me a vid in which SJ talks about Xerox and "Toner Heads" and how he thinks that Apple now suffers from the same disease:
I came across this pic today on twitter: all the dongles that Apple sells. A lot of the functionality that your computer used to be able to do has now been delegated to expensive dongles.
Apple's now run by "Dongle Heads".
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LMAO at Dongle Heads!!!!! And Apple should rename their Apple Stores to Adapter Stores.
You just totally summed all this up with this video. Tim et al. you'd better take notes.
Hope you never have to transfer stuff through iTunes or do a reset through iTunes, then.
All things considered, the new macbook pro is weak: no regular usb, no magsafe, no sd-card slot, expensive as sh*iit, gimmicky touch bar instead of function keys (except on base model), requires at least one dongle. Strenghts: updated processor and ssd, os x. A lot more on the minus side than on the plus side.
Yes but only 60W of those 80 are available for pass-thru. The rest of it goes to the USB port and other ports that have connected devices.
Says the guy who told me to stop replying on a public message board.
You could? What if you came across a VGA projector? A DVI display? What if someone wanted to give you large files from a USB-C drive?
I feel like they needed to "tender" this transition. I completely agree with USB-C being the future, but they really need to think about slowly taking out USB-A instead of suddenly eliminating it from their lineup.
At the very least, like I said, included adapters would have made people a lot happier. It's not about the dollar amount so much as it is about the symbolism of not including those adapters and making people go "so after spending 3000 dollars I still have to spend more money to get what I had out the box a year ago."
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When all of your replies are sarcastic, childish comments, that's probably good advice to take.
Most companies I've worked at were pretty much exclusively HDMI. VGA is a bit rare, at least for the places where I ended up working.
As far as a USB-C drive..that's pretty much never happened. I don't think those are even close to mainstream yet.
In response to your two comments:
1 apple should have included a headphone jack in iPhone 7 and mention they are transitioning away from it to allow a wireless ecosystem to develop. Else they should have used a USB C port instead of lightning with the logic that there would be one port for all devices and cables could all be unified onto a single standard.
2 there is absolutely nothing stopping apple from abandoning the lightning cord next year other than they already committed to it at the pre-manufacturer stage. I would like to see them abandon lightning and go with all USB-C, including headphones. It is hard to try to push multiple standards at once (lightning for headphones and USB-C for Macs). Just make one standard and push that one. Less dongle. Less confusion. Just easier and clearer.
Help me understand: each of those dongles for legacy devices will be connected to a cable that otherwise would have been connected to your computer, right? And you suggest "a million dongles", which is, of course, hyperbole, but let's consider that the new MacBook Pros can actually support 4 external docks through 4 cables that could conceivably sport any number of USB, Thunderbolt, ethernet, SD/CF/whatever's next readers, 4 monitors on the 15" (possibly 6), Firewire 800 and eSata, RAIDS, PCIe break out boxes, etc, etc, etc.
All connected at once, with only 4 cables.
Try that on your 2015 MBP! Just how many cables would you have to have hanging off your old MBP to support even 1/4 of what the new MBP can support?
Oh, and all of those complaining about having to bring along dongles have apparently not left their house in the last 5 years. I regularly pack USB A to mini, micro, micro USB 3; thunderbolt; mini display to HDMI; mini display to DVI; mini display to VGA; power cord; TB to FW 800; a TB to eSata; and my CalDigit TB2 dock (which rocks). And no, the solution is not to put all of those connectors on the side of my computer because most of them I hope not to be using in a year.
Short term pain for HUGE FRICKIN' GAIN is how I see it.