All of this would be so much more coherent if they really included that lightning connector for earphones. This just kinda reeks incompetence. Oh and this is definitely on Phil Schiller. Marketing decisions is written all over this. Maybe he is the one to be replaced and not Tim Cook. These aren't corporate or strategic mess ups. These are PR catastrophes. One after another.
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Thunderbolt 3/USB-C Adapters, Cables, and Hubs for New MacBook Pro
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I don't understand the logic of everyone complaining about USB-C.
Apple has always pushed the newest technologies.
USB-C is the future and eventually everything with a cable will use it. It will improve and greatly simplify everything.
My point is, don't blame them for forcing the adoption of USB-C faster which will benefit everyone in the future.
Apple has always pushed the newest technologies.
USB-C is the future and eventually everything with a cable will use it. It will improve and greatly simplify everything.
My point is, don't blame them for forcing the adoption of USB-C faster which will benefit everyone in the future.
Wrong. We see that, long-term, Thunderbolt 3 will streamline connectivity just in time for Apple to change the ports again.
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This is a problem because nobody has any devices native to those four ports, Apple provides no ports native to the devices we do have, and we are expected to give Apple even more money for a bunch of fugly, flaky adapters just to get this stupid thing to work.
Its not just "the guts", its are there chipsets that are low power enough for the iPhone that will also handle charging.
Now extrapolate this logic to USB. Does the majority have USB-C devices or USB-A devices? Oops.
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I doubt it. Adopting USB-C would mean a massive loss in profits. The iDevices will continue to have a proprietary connector , and the reason they have always .
If apple is skimping on components like the Intel moden to maximise margins, they will never given up the cash cow that is a proprietary connector on thier main cash cow, the iPhone . Sure lightning maybe replaced, but with another proprietary connector.
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They will just get a USB-C to USB-A connector, there will be no shift to thubderbolt devices while USB 3 is fine for the majority and the major factor cost is addressed.
The truth is the people who need TB speeds, have expansive setups , they are therefore charged a premium for it.
I can't see TB becoming a standard unless there is a major shift in the PC world , and the hope is gaming , but alas the pricing is the blocker, though razer etc are giving it a go
To me the basic problem is, they jumped straight from a computer that had heaps of ports, to a laptop that had only one type - there was no transition. The whole world has not made the transition to USB-C, so why should MBP users? If they had shipped a laptop that kept the SD card slot, maybe moved to mini-HDMI, had two Thunderbolt ports and Two USB-C ports, it would have been far more digestible, and the market would have had time to adjust. 4 USB-C ports is just straight out too vicious. Everyone will obviously have to live with it, in albeit rather ugly ways.
At the very least they should supply a USB-C to A/B adaptor. It's a very expensive machine.
The problem is that the devices we bought yesterday with USB-A won't magically get USB-C. The expensive TVs/projectors you have in your home still use HDMI. Your camera uses SD cards and came with USB-A cables. The card readers you have at home are all USB-A. Any professional screen capture device uses HDMI. If these devices are fairly new, you won't be buying new ones in 1 year.
Sure, maybe the new versions in 1 year will all have USB-C, but will you buy all of those new versions immediately just to have USB-C? It's unlikely that all the stuff you use at home is going to become USB-C anytime soon. Realistically, it will probably take more like 3-5 years for the stuff people own to cycle through and become USB-C. And by that time, these machines will be obsolete and replaced, so you will never even have enjoyed the convenience of USB-C during the useful life of the machine.
Sure, when everything I have in my house is finally USB-C, then bring it on. But currently nothing we own is. And I don't intend to replace all my stuff anytime soon. So I think it's going to be inconvenient for way longer than 1 year.
I'm not saying apple got it right but USBc is the future and a day will come where nothing should be using anything but.
I would think for most hardware you will need an adapter or just a single hub with all the i/o you need to have.
Beyond that everything that gets plugged is not travelling with you. A second screen or USB hub or backup disk tend to stay on the desk. Not one is carrying dongles and even a desktop setup is cleaner than it used to be especially if you are daisy chaining you have only one cable plugged in and can hide the rest of the mess. Tech moves so fast and it's understandable that people are going to be scared to invest in new USBc stuff but it's here for the long term in every product.
I would think for most hardware you will need an adapter or just a single hub with all the i/o you need to have.
Beyond that everything that gets plugged is not travelling with you. A second screen or USB hub or backup disk tend to stay on the desk. Not one is carrying dongles and even a desktop setup is cleaner than it used to be especially if you are daisy chaining you have only one cable plugged in and can hide the rest of the mess. Tech moves so fast and it's understandable that people are going to be scared to invest in new USBc stuff but it's here for the long term in every product.
All dongle problems with iOS devices (Apple's bread and butter) would be non existent if they replaced the Lightning with USB-C. Moreover recently when iPhone 7 was announced.
Instead Apple went on with Lightning, couragely removed the headphone jack, saying the jack is too old and cumbersome, but then released a Macbook Pro with USB-C, a headphone jack (huh?), with no Lightning support out of the box.
An Apple phone which cannot connect directly to an Apple laptop. Nice, Phil.
Can you feel how incoherent were things are with Apple? Going forward and backward at the same time. So confusing!!
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Agreed, just look at the original Thunderbolt. It was 2011 IIRC. All went wrong, the majority of customers keep using the USB 3.0 instead.
Now it's practically dead. Apple is too big and too shame to admit that mistake and replaced it with TB3 disguised in USB-C ports. So if TB remains dead, they can keep the USB-C at least.
How about the professionals already invested a lot on the old Thunderbolt tech? Oh righht, dongles!!
Instead Apple went on with Lightning, couragely removed the headphone jack, saying the jack is too old and cumbersome, but then released a Macbook Pro with USB-C, a headphone jack (huh?), with no Lightning support out of the box.
An Apple phone which cannot connect directly to an Apple laptop. Nice, Phil.
Can you feel how incoherent were things are with Apple? Going forward and backward at the same time. So confusing!!
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Agreed, just look at the original Thunderbolt. It was 2011 IIRC. All went wrong, the majority of customers keep using the USB 3.0 instead.
Now it's practically dead. Apple is too big and too shame to admit that mistake and replaced it with TB3 disguised in USB-C ports. So if TB remains dead, they can keep the USB-C at least.
How about the professionals already invested a lot on the old Thunderbolt tech? Oh righht, dongles!!
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Unfortunately that's not always the case. I often have to travel to customer sites and potentially present, with my existing MacBook Pro that means I need to carry a thunderbolt to Ethernet connector, just in case there is no option to log onto a customers wireless and I may have no phone reception. I also need a thunderbolt to DP/HDMI/VGI connector, as I don't know what connector I'll need for overhead projectors or monitors.
If I upgraded to a new MacBook Pro I'd have to buy all those connectors again, as well as also buying a new one (or a new cable) that allows me to plug my iPhone in to charge.
Of course, I can probably buy one of the larger connectors that provides everything, but again, it seems like on every release you're having to re-buy the same things.
Daisy chain two dongles: Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt dongle with the Thunderbolt to Gigabit dongle. At least you get a true NIC with the chip in the latter dongle and Ethernet I/O offloaded to the discrete Broadcom Gigabit Ethernet chip instead of the USB emulation of the NIC with the CPU doing the Ethernet I/O like you would get with any of the multiple USB-C dongle with Ethernet offerings described here.
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This is demagoguery. USB-C with Thunderbolt behind it is an industry standard now. Intel released NUC Skull Canyon with the same type of port months ago.
The first gen Retina MBP update was fantastic. Apple completely updated the existing line of Macbook Pro... and then showed the future in what was on the side of the screen - the first rMBP. It was a thrilling moment.
This keynote they failed to do that. If they had gone, yeah sure, here's the old school, you can get the current Retina with Skylake, and better battery life, OR, here's the crazy new amazing all day battery, Touch ID, Touch Bar, better display, better keyboard bigger trackpad version.
Instead, everyones between a rock and hard place. A lot of people simply wanted Skylake all along, that was all anyone wanted. I believe Apple could fix a lot of whats currently upsetting people by simply updating the previous gen rMBP with Skylake, rather than simply dropping the cost of HD upgrades.
This keynote they failed to do that. If they had gone, yeah sure, here's the old school, you can get the current Retina with Skylake, and better battery life, OR, here's the crazy new amazing all day battery, Touch ID, Touch Bar, better display, better keyboard bigger trackpad version.
Instead, everyones between a rock and hard place. A lot of people simply wanted Skylake all along, that was all anyone wanted. I believe Apple could fix a lot of whats currently upsetting people by simply updating the previous gen rMBP with Skylake, rather than simply dropping the cost of HD upgrades.
That was said about Thunderbolt1 and it never happened. I can bet few bucks that before USB-C is mainstream, Apple introduces new connector that they have invented. As that's what Apple do. There is no and will never be one connector to rule them all.
HDMI and USB-A ports do not fit on the side of the new MacBook Pro. If they went with the "mini" versions of these connectors, you would still need a dongle for each. They should have put a Lightning connector on the new MacBook Pro to be able to connect the new lightning earphones that come with iPhone 7. Alternatively, they should have replaced the lightning connector in iPhone 7 with the USB-C connector.
That's fair enough, but they decided on thinness over functionality. They could have simply upgraded the entire Macbook Pro lineup sans thin and weight improvement - given it Touch Bar, Touch ID, Skylake, USB-C, a bigger trackpad, the new screen and speakers, Butterfly keys and kept HDMI, SD and even traditional Thunderbolt ports at the expense of a thinner and lighter machine, and everyone would have been blown away. Maybe then, at a later date and with some time to adjust to USB-C, the pro market would be able to digest a machine that went all in USB-C at the benefit of a thinner and lighter machine. But instead, everyone just feels ripped off.
I can wear it, I really can. I'll buy the dongles. But it's hard not to see this as botched misstep on Apple's part.
I think that is part of the problem too, unfortunately the USB ports won't fit in the new chassis design. I really feel Apple should be offering at least 1 USB A adapter in the box, especially considering the price of these new machines.
Or, since everything is converging in USB-C, why not replace the Lightning connector with the USB-C connector on the iPhone?
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You should really drive to an Apple Store and test the new 13" MacBook Pro on display there. Even without the Touch Bar, I was impressed as soon as a saw it and used it. I was completely against the new MacBook Pros last week when Apple announce them, having the same complaints as yours. This is truly a new era in mobile computing. The new MacBook Pro is almost as thin and light as the retina MacBook. It's pretty compelling. Go look at it in person.
This comment made me laughed so hard at 1am last night, I woke my wife up.
She doesn't like you now.
She never liked me anyway.
The image was used many clueless mac fanboys and completely ignores the obvious fact that the PC has extra peripherals that could also be plugged into a the mac. The PC needs 1 wire for a keyboard, one for a mouse, one for a monitor, one to power the computer, and once to power the monitor for a total of five The mac needed 1 cable for the mouse, one for the keyboard and a power cord for a total of three cords...two less than the PC. The picture you posted had multiple extra devices attached and you completly ignored that fact by trying to compare the PC to the MAC.