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Thunderbolt 5 Announced With Up to 3x More Bandwidth
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I would just like to give the Thunderbolt standards team credit for clear branding.
Look at the connector-- do you see a 5? If yes, it's Thunderbolt 5 compatible!
What was the generation before 5? 4. Not 4.2 gen 3x5. Not 4E or 4A or 4sK. Just 4, then 5.
Look at the connector-- do you see a 5? If yes, it's Thunderbolt 5 compatible!
What was the generation before 5? 4. Not 4.2 gen 3x5. Not 4E or 4A or 4sK. Just 4, then 5.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
As in all matters, when something seems to work in Apple's favor, "we" are very cool with it. See this morning's "mostly Samsung screens" thread in which many "we"s are praising Samsung screens.
Or see any given patent dispute article: when a patent benefits Apple, "we" are all for enforcements of patents "to protect intellectual property." When a patent is against Apple, "we" call for patent system reforms and that THAT intellectual property doesn't deserve protection... or even a patent.
An upcoming thread will pit Intel or Samsung against Apple in something else and "we" will return to raining disgust/contempt back on them again.
In short: most "we" opinions seem to be fair weather frenemy-driven and will flip flop fast based on what is best for Apple.
You've been here long enough. You know how this works.
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Considering that the M2 MacBook Air(s) don't have Thunderbolt 4 yet, I think you might be correct.
I get ~750 megabyte/sec with my t7 external SSD, and it's just USB.
Not really; the connectors are different, and you'd need something like Apple's Thunderbolt to FireWire adapter to make it work. With a modern Mac, you'd also need the Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt (1/2) adapter. I think I've also seen FireWire ports on some Thunderbolt docks, but not any I've bought recently.
(Maybe you're thinking of DisplayPort or something?)
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I think you are right. Apple is not going to want the brand new product to launch with "last years" or "2 year old" tech punches in the media. Just as that very first Silicon Mac was rolled out to developers with an iDevice chip for development and then the actual launch rolled out with M1, there's nothing to stop Apple from evolving Vpro "brains" from development specs to launch specs.
Intel and Apple are huge tech companies, if anything… This announcement makes me think Apple could release thunderbolt 5 instead of usb 3 for iPhones. That way Apple isn’t “forced" into usb 3, but they adopt a usb 3 compatible standard on their own terms for iPhone.
Makes sense to me. And intel gets to drum it up too.
Makes sense to me. And intel gets to drum it up too.
That is just because Apple arbitrarily limits the base M chip to one external display, so they can’t call it TB4.
In all other aspects it is TB4. That is also why M2 has TB3 and M2 Pro/Max has TB4. Other than the number of displays, M2 and M2 Pro/Max TB behaves the same.
If M3 is still just one display it will still be TB3 while M3 Po/Max might be TB5.
Nope, they only made Thunderbolt 3 royalty free.
(I expect TB4 to have the same treatment, once it becomes irrelevant)
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I would guess that since video is mostly a one-way thing, optimizations to shuttle video to a monitor can have a "turbo" option. Data tends to be more of a two-way thing, so the same "turbo" probably doesn't apply... though... MAYBE in a big write or big read scenario, some "turbo" like this could be applied too.
Yes, but Intel hasn't relaxed those requirements for TB5 so unless Apple wants to allow multiple displays on the M3/M4/M5 (whenever TB 5 comes out) then they won't be certified to be TB5 either.
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120Hz Pro-Motion on the next 6K Apple Pro Display? Let's goo!
TIL, there's something called "USB 4 v2." Here we go again...
All joking aside, at least we're approaching bandwidths where picking the wrong cable won't be as critical except for edge cases with 8k displays at high refresh rates. The USB 3 debacle was painful to navigate.
All joking aside, at least we're approaching bandwidths where picking the wrong cable won't be as critical except for edge cases with 8k displays at high refresh rates. The USB 3 debacle was painful to navigate.
I would say it’s because 80Gbps is the symmetrical bandwidth (bidirectionally equal speeds) and 120Gbps would be one way whilst still allowing 40Gbps the other way therefore always supporting bidirectional data transfers but allowing larger video display data going one way to the monitor.
Not exactly sure but my best guess 😉
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I loved eGPU although I would get some occasional session logout because it had become disconnected even though I was using the shortest cable (with a good connection) and a dedicated TB3 bus.
Given the weirdly lukewarm reaction most of the industry has had to previous versions of Thunderbolt, despite it being superior to USB since day one, I don't think it's stealing any thunder.