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What? You can go from firewire to thunderbolt (2?) then to thunderbolt 3...
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No one outside Apple or Intel probably knows but Apple historically played a role in both making thunderbolt a commercial product and in rolling out new versions. The assumptions they are aware or part of this push is reasonable. The timing of this announcement doesn't seem coincidental but it also seems to early to know what (if anything) it means. Even if it just means M3 Macs & next-gen Intel will support TB5 and they want third-parties to start making peripherals.
Apple not fully implementing certain thunderbolt features shouldn't be taken as a sign they don't fully support the standard. After all, they are the only computer maker to offer thunderbolt on ALL their traditional computer systems so it makes sense the low-end Macs don't have the requisite display support. Low-end PC systems have spotty support for multiple displays they just ALSO don't support USB 4 or TB 4!
It started off that way. Not so much true at this point. Thunderbolt at this point is a subset of latest USB standard that closes optional loopholes . ( more consistent, but also more expensive to implement. ).
Intel wanted to fiber optics and so had the name "LightPeak". Apple wanted to dump fiber optics ( so could deliver power on copper and shift to "one port to rule them all" tactics. ). They had Lightning so Thunderbolt.
Intel and Apple were biggest contributors to USB-C socket standard. So yeah Apple has had contributions.
Thunderbolt v5 is layered on top of DisplayPort v2.1 and USB4v2 . Apple doesn't even implement DPv2.1 (or v2.0) ... so hardly is a 'driving force' there. There lower end laptops don't qualify for TBv4. ( so bulk of mac units shipped are not TBv4. ) . Not much of a partner if not implementing the standard on the bulk of the stuff shipping.
Ahhh, gotcha. Well, that at least still beats having a valuable PCIE slot taken up when it could be used for anything else. So I much prefer that solution. I’d rather have any form of thunderbolt available than none at all, but it just wasn’t an option a couple years back.
That is an adaptor. There is a Firewire controller inside that adaptor. Thunderbolt delivers PCI-e data to the connection of THAT controller which delivers the Firewire.
There is an Ethernet Adaptor also. Same thing. host PCI-e ---> Thunderbolt ---> PCI-=e in adaptor --> Ethernet controller --> Ethernet socket.
In neither case is Thunderbolt actually dircectly 'talking' to the port.
faster is nicer but can someone tell me what is real world usage of this? Can we connect an external GPU and works like internal one?
I hate multiple connector types, can this replace HDMI in tvs?
also , what did they discover in a couple of years that made them able to make TB be 3x as fast?
I hate multiple connector types, can this replace HDMI in tvs?
also , what did they discover in a couple of years that made them able to make TB be 3x as fast?
I am confused. Why it says "Intel today announced Thunderbolt 5, the next-generation version of the connectivity standard present on all Macs and iPad Pro models"
As I know, no Mac nor iPad Pro has Thunderbolt 5.
So M3 MacBook Air can support more than two external 4K displays?
As I know, no Mac nor iPad Pro has Thunderbolt 5.
So M3 MacBook Air can support more than two external 4K displays?
It won't.
You'll be looking at at least M4 - the M3 is already designed and finished to be released next year.
How on earth could you be confused by that. It clearly says it's the next generation version of what is currently the connection used by Macs and iPad Pro models. They have Thunderbolt 2, 3, 4 on them currently.
There is no M3 MacBook Air and it won't support Thunderbolt 5 so i've no idea how you've been confused by the first statement and then jumped straight to that.
It literally says in the announcement:
Apple has been very quick to adopt the latest Thunderbolt standard in the past. I don't expect to see this on M3's, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see it on M3 Pro/Max based systems in 2024.
Probably the old standard is 100w, but USB-C already broke that standard (or at least Apple did) to charge the new MacBook Pros. There's a chance it'll support 130w charging officially.
Even with TB4, laptops and desktops can't support 5K or 6K/120 displays. So for the next generation of higher-refresh monitors, we need a new protocol that will fit the form factor of a laptop.
May be it was done on purpose, to show they are forced to use a older less efficient connector because of a law.
Most impressive!
And todays timing with less than 2 hrs to go for iPhone 15 Pro, yeah it’s getting TB4!
TBv4 ... unlikely. The M1/M2 can't even get TBv4; let alone the smaller A-series option.
USB4/Thunderbolt yes. But likely to fall short on the TBv4 requirement of supporting multiple monitors.
It's also worth mentioning that Intel first publicly "previewed" Thunderbolt 5 almost a year ago already. You can bet that manufacturers such as Apple likely had preview hardware in-house long before that.
As it is supporting charging, it does.All this technology is still using copper?
