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ok, AmbitiousLemon, let me get one of my spare cans of whoop-ass out... :D

One, I have a degree, just not in computer (BFA in graphic design). I have been on, and working on, computers for about 23 years now.

Two, even at college, I was fixing the computers because I could think things through to a solution and it worked. That is where I started gaining my knowledge of fixing systems, not just working on them.

Three, since I did go to an art college, and didn't know that I wanted to be a tech at the time (we are talking about back in 88 when I started college here) does that make me any less of a tech??? By boss doesn't think so, and she has been doing this for over 10 years now (with the company we are at).

Four, the tech field is highly competative right now. If you don't measure up, you get replaced, pure and simple. I have seen it done at our Boston site many times. The good ones get brought on staff, the crappy ones usually don't last more then two or three weeks.

Four, I have one certification from Apple currently, and I am working on getting the second one. I have the desktop one, and studying for the portables. MSCE classes, tests, and exams cost tons, and wouldn't do me any good as far as advancing my carreer. I am primarily a Mac tech (very few good ones out there) but I also support peecee's (since we have 40 at the site I work at, along with 250 Mac systems).

Five, the people that try to say that non-degreed tech's are not worth anything are usually the ones that are bitter about us getting the better jobs because we have real world experience. Not just a slip of paper saying you spent umpteen thousands on an education, but have no work experience. Sorry, but there are not many fields out there that are willing to bring you on without at least some experience.

I would be interested to see how many tech's that read this actually do have a computer science degree, and how they came to be in the carreer/position they are. I would also like to see how many Mac tech's that read this, also have a CS degree and how many are either self taught or were forced to learn because you couldn't get any of the peecee techs where you were to help you any.

Not bad... almost a six pack :D
 
a proud democrat

being a dedicated liberal, i hate it when my own democratic party tells a bold lie in order to get votes...i usually expect that from that other party;)

but one thing the democrats have done, to get the education/teacher vote, has been to push education and that it ok

but i always run into democratic party literature around election time which tries to find a co-relation between education and wage/salary and it just is not there

it is kind of like the richard nixon campaign with his "friends" at the national institutes of health who tried to find a connection between viruses and cancer when most doctors knew that was hogwash...but it was politics and nixon thought he could get a little leverage with NIH by giving them millions for this research...no one likes to bite the hand that feeds them

education political lobbyists like to make the argument that education=money but if you believe that, come stay with me in northern california and i will show you all the out of work graudates from u.c. snata cruz or u.c. berkeley who have totally perfect educations but have awful 7 dollar an hour jobs if they even have a job...the left wing political correctness bullhockey being shoveled to us in california public universities saying that money is "bad" or something to that effect, creates an entire generation of intellectuals who can't find work due to their ultra leftist beliefs and belief that money is greed, and greed is the root of all evil

now come on, who will pay your bills?

i don't see out of work people who graduated from nearby stanford, university of santa clara, or golden gate university because their education has a more conservative bent and is more realistic with the world of commerce versus the world of liberal political education

when my republican friends call me on the bs that the democrats put out about education being more important than foreign policy and all that the dems can say is education=better salary, i stay quiet and while the dems try to push their agenda, a huge gaping hole was left in out foreign policy and the result of that, in my opinion, was seeing the twin towers go down

education has its place, but there are other issues important to california and the united states

jefhatfield,
registered democrat
 
Originally posted by AlphaTech
ok, AmbitiousLemon, let me get one of my spare cans of whoop-ass out... :D

One, I have a degree, just not in computer (BFA in graphic design). I have been on, and working on, computers for about 23 years now.

Two, even at college, I was fixing the computers because I could think things through to a solution and it worked. That is where I started gaining my knowledge of fixing systems, not just working on them.

Three, since I did go to an art college, and didn't know that I wanted to be a tech at the time (we are talking about back in 88 when I started college here) does that make me any less of a tech??? By boss doesn't think so, and she has been doing this for over 10 years now (with the company we are at).

Four, the tech field is highly competative right now. If you don't measure up, you get replaced, pure and simple. I have seen it done at our Boston site many times. The good ones get brought on staff, the crappy ones usually don't last more then two or three weeks.

Four, I have one certification from Apple currently, and I am working on getting the second one. I have the desktop one, and studying for the portables. MSCE classes, tests, and exams cost tons, and wouldn't do me any good as far as advancing my carreer. I am primarily a Mac tech (very few good ones out there) but I also support peecee's (since we have 40 at the site I work at, along with 250 Mac systems).

Five, the people that try to say that non-degreed tech's are not worth anything are usually the ones that are bitter about us getting the better jobs because we have real world experience. Not just a slip of paper saying you spent umpteen thousands on an education, but have no work experience. Sorry, but there are not many fields out there that are willing to bring you on without at least some experience.

I would be interested to see how many tech's that read this actually do have a computer science degree, and how they came to be in the carreer/position they are. I would also like to see how many Mac tech's that read this, also have a CS degree and how many are either self taught or were forced to learn because you couldn't get any of the peecee techs where you were to help you any.

Not bad... almost a six pack :D
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good points alphatech and amibitious lemon!

and fun argument

i have worked at autodesk (autocad) and currently have a major silicon valley company and another huge company as private clients...i
have also worked in IT at a hospital, and since then, 12 years, i have seen only one person with a cs degree in a corporate IT department out of hundreds of IT co-workers...btw, he has a cs degree and is a mac tech...but he knows all the theories and how to program pc stuff;)

here is what i have seen since being in IT since 1990 and since being in the working world since the 1970s (i have my own IT business with my wife today)

the biggest group of IT people are self taught

the 2nd biggest group are degreed in electrical engineering, electronic engineering, and mathematics/statistics

the next group of people in IT are liberal arts and business majors

and the 4th group are people who studied the physical or biological sciences

and the 5th group is the group of one person...he is that mac tech with a cs degree

and the 6th group...there is no 6th group, so between now and retirement (next 15 years) i will look for a 6th group so i can have a six pack like you...he he

btw...a friend of mine who worked for parc in silicon valley told me that one of the best engineers there was at nearby hp this young kid without a degree who won some science competition...when i asked here was his name steve...she said yeah, that steve jobs guy...i corrected here and said it was that other steve...steve wozniak:p

and for the pro degree people, steve wozniak went back to college and got a college degree and now makes 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000 of what he made as an non college degreed co-founder of apple

just imagine if steve wozniak went to college instead of inventing the apple 1...where would we be now...let's thank our lucky stars steve wozniak waited to finish college later
 
My turn!

Allright, 'Lemon, here goes:

Since I'm another one of the techs here, I'll throw down too.

Me: French major, Spanish minor...graduating this May (is that a 6th group jef? ;) ). No certifications, no "official" training, no letters behind my name.

My job: Technician for a multimedia lab (computers, a/v equipment) that specializes in foreign language education. OS X Server administration, Windows 2K Server administration (when I'm forced to :mad: ). Approximately 100 computers on-site, plus all the VCRs, TVs, Laserdisc Players, printers, etc.

Am I "qualified" for this job? Probably not by your standards, but you have to look at the big picture to see things more clearly.

I've worked in the lab in various positions for about 4 years. I started out as a student assistant who checked videos, etc. out to the students and helped them if they didn't know how to use a program or eject their CD from a Mac. :rolleyes:

I then moved to multimedia poduction in the lab for our federally funded projects (CD-ROM and web design). In this time I taught myself how to administer our brand new OS X Server, since the previous tech was lazy and wanted nothing to do with it, and learning the Mac OS, since that is the platform we use for production. I also was building my own PCs at home, learning hardware and software troubleshooting.

Last summer, the previous tech left for a different job, and the position became open. At first I didn't even consider applying, since I didn't have any certifications or official training. But then some people at work suggested I apply, and after some thought, I did. I beat out the other applicants for several reasons: 1) I knew the labs better than almost anyone else, since I'd been there so long, 2) My self taught experience was sufficient to beat out applicants with degrees from tech schools, 3) I have great people skills and I try hard to be proactive and solve problems ahead of time (rather than sit back and wait for them to happen). Only three for me, I'm a lightweight, I guess.

So, how could this be, 'Lemon? How could I, an undergrad student without a degree to my name, beat out several other applicants with tech degrees?
There's more to being a tech than just your official training and certifications. "Real world" experience, and many other factors come into play.
 
macs in london

I noticed at the weekend that micro anvika a major london based mac retailer are selling off their display powerbooks, maybe coincedence (sp?) but why would they do that if there wasn't a replacement soon??
 
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD SIGN!

and from the past posts i have seen here in the last couple of years, retailers sell display models before an new product comes out

tibook is in for an overhaul this year

superdrive, or dual g4, or 800-1,000 mhz sound likely to me
 
I've got to throw down on the education issue.

I've got an engineering degree followed by a JD. My spouse has a biology degree followed by an MD in less than a month.

Non-degreed computer techs are cashing in on a dot.com euphoria where everyone thought that anything computer related had to generate huge amounts of cash.

I hate to say this, but the whole dot.com bust just goes to show that those with either real talent or those with real education in the tech field will rise to the surface, and those that were "techs without degrees or talent" but getting huge salaries are now submitting their resumes to 100's of companies every day, and trying to convince the hiring manager that a degree isn't all its cracked up to be.

Just because grey haired people were stupid once and thought that computer revolution meant money grows on trees, does NOT mean that you can become a rich computer dot.commer in this day and age.

I will probably never have an IPO that makes me an overnight billionaire, but then again, most people won't, and those that do, either have real talent or a degree.

Sure, you can take your chances hitting the lottery in some tech job somewhere arguing with everyone that your lack of a degree in your field really isn't important, or you can realize that most managers look for education.

Me, I don't want to take that chance. I will just have to keep paying our taxes so there will be plenty of money in the State's coffers to pay for your unemployment benefits when the BS about not needing a degree eventually hits the fan.

One last question... Why would anyone be arguing that the lack of a degree in their chosen field means nothing? It is not the size of the degree, it's the motion of the ocean, or something like that?

Don't get me wrong, my point isn't that EVERYONE without a degree is a talentless hack getting overpaid because of the dot-com boom. NO, my point is that those of you who really are telentless hacks need to either come up with a better argument than I don't need a degree or actually get one.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention. I've done all the computer work for two different firms, including networking and server setups and maintenance. Does that mean I'm some sort of computer tech expert? If so, then I've got ocean front property to sell you.

The tech's our firms hired to set things up and "fix" problems with the computers certainly didn't seem to know much more than me. And, they were the "experts."
 
mcrain, I don't have a techie degree, but I do have a BFA in graphic design. I worked to get into the tech field, and actually got hired as a dedicated tech in Jan of 2000. When did the dot com thing go bust??? I never really tracked it too much.

I haven't used my resume since I started working where I am now. I don't even remember where mine is. I hope to never need it again, and considering how I am doing in my carreer and how well the company that I work for is doing, I won't need it. I am seriously looking forward to being here long enough to retire. The benefits here rock, as do the people (except for the few that don't have two brain cells to rub together).

At the start of 2001 I was made the lead tech for the site I work out of. Granted, there are not many tech's here, but having the title and responsibility to go along with it is something. There are also days where I work long hours, mostly by choice, but sometimes out of necessity. When you need to have a system configure and delivered, or fixed and back on a desk for the following morning, you work late. Or when you get a panic call just as you are about to leave, you stay and make things right.

Ok, back to the TiBooks.... I am starting to put out feelers to see if anyone is interested in mine or not. It's a PowerBook G4 500MHz with 1GB of RAM, dvd-rom drive and a 20GB drive (I have a 60GB installed, but want to keep that). If I get offered enough, I could be persuaded to leave the 60GB drive inside the laptop, but the buyer needs to make the offer sweet.
 
Originally posted by mcrain
I've got to throw down on the education issue.

I've got an engineering degree followed by a JD. My spouse has a biology degree followed by an MD in less than a month.

Non-degreed computer techs are cashing in on a dot.com euphoria where everyone thought that anything computer related had to generate huge amounts of cash.

I hate to say this, but the whole dot.com bust just goes to show that those with either real talent or those with real education in the tech field will rise to the surface, and those that were "techs without degrees or talent" but getting huge salaries are now submitting their resumes to 100's of companies every day, and trying to convince the hiring manager that a degree isn't all its cracked up to be.

Just because grey haired people were stupid once and thought that computer revolution meant money grows on trees, does NOT mean that you can become a rich computer dot.commer in this day and age.

I will probably never have an IPO that makes me an overnight billionaire, but then again, most people won't, and those that do, either have real talent or a degree.

Sure, you can take your chances hitting the lottery in some tech job somewhere arguing with everyone that your lack of a degree in your field really isn't important, or you can realize that most managers look for education.

Me, I don't want to take that chance. I will just have to keep paying our taxes so there will be plenty of money in the State's coffers to pay for your unemployment benefits when the BS about not needing a degree eventually hits the fan.

One last question... Why would anyone be arguing that the lack of a degree in their chosen field means nothing? It is not the size of the degree, it's the motion of the ocean, or something like that?

Don't get me wrong, my point isn't that EVERYONE without a degree is a talentless hack getting overpaid because of the dot-com boom. NO, my point is that those of you who really are telentless hacks need to either come up with a better argument than I don't need a degree or actually get one.
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what you say about IT people after the dot.com boom is the most untrue thing i have ever heard...at least for silicon valley...so what i am about to say may not disagree with where you live and your local job markets and what you have seen

so here it goes:

mcrain, i have two degrees and a technical certification, and working on another degree and certification, but from what i have seen where i live, silicon valley, talent is the only measure that is respected

you are a lawyer, so a degree and being a member of the bar is necessary in most states to practice law...but to start a high tech company or be a techie, you need talent and in some cases, a good dose of luck

look at the major employers in silicon valley and their ceo's or major founder(s) w/o degrees...apple, microsoft, oracle, dell, and sun

i am only talking techie related jobs and work culture in silicon valley but elsewhere, IT people may need pieces of paper to move up in the field...but when you are at the heart and soul of the world's third or fourth largest industies (behind transportation, tourism, and agriculture) i would rather have talent run the show instead of pieces of paper...silicon valley is deadly brutal that way...it is not what the hell you have on the wall, it is what the hell can you do for me today...and they could care less what you did for them yesterday or what you did for anybody else...quarterly reports make this industry look like survivor

ps - besides the pieces of paper i have, i am also a teacher, so i am certainly not anti-education but having been in the working world 25 years, it does not take a rocket scientists to realize the difference between education and the working world:D
 
So both of you support my contention. Unless you have REAL talent, i.e. ability to pump out a groundbreaking piece of software or major hardware maintenance, you are SOL. (SOL=sh*t out of luck, if you need a translation)

To everyone who isn't able to pump out something major, you're going to get booted off the island, and unless you have a degree in something, you're flipping burgers.

Sounds like exactly what I was trying to say.

How many talentless hacks who used to have very high paying jobs and stock options have you seen fall by the wayside in Silicon valley? I'd bet it is a lot.
 
Originally posted by mcrain
To everyone who isn't able to pump out something major, you're going to get booted off the island, and unless you have a degree in something, you're flipping burgers.
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That applies to just about ANY field. If you can't do the job well enough, you get the ax/boot. The only field that it doesn't apply to is truck driving where all you need is an a$$ that you can sit on for hours at a time and a license.
 
the people with degrees and certifications got fired in silicon valley

here's what happened

if you don't have a degree but you work in silicon valley in the IT field, it simply means you have talent

so when there was a large grow spurt, all the geniuses with talent were already running the companies but needed manpower and they simply hired people with degrees and certifications because they had no time to screen anybody in the fast growth period...a piece of paper was a quick measure for hiring purposes

so when things hit the fan in the valley, either the talent w/o degrees in IT had to go or the unproven techs with pieces of paper

so first the mbas were dumped followed by all the techies with degrees and certs...the ones who were there before the boom, the original techies with talent...well, they remained and are still there

i have worked this IT field here for three years and i have never met a non-degreed techie out of work...there are plenty of techies with degrees and certs who are out of work and the only reason they got the paper was because mom told them too in many cases

someone with extreme talent like jobs, woz, gates, allen, dell, and "that oracle guy" had no time to spend their late teens and early 20s sitting in a classroom...they were out changing the world and many unknown but equally talented non-degreed techies run many of the companies here and work the better jobs in the silicon valley

we are not like any other industry and that is where the outsiders get us wrong...it is like the football fans who wonder how such a gay, effeminate city like san francisco could have such a black and blue five time super bowl team

unless you grew up in silicon valley or san francisco, you will never understand valley IT or the 49ers

...i will admit, i do not know jack about where you live and if i came to chicago, i would prabably accidentaly walk into the wrong neighborhood:D

i do like chicago hope and e.r. ans sammy sosa can hit consistently
 
Originally posted by mcrain
So both of you support my contention. Unless you have REAL talent, i.e. ability to pump out a groundbreaking piece of software or major hardware maintenance, you are SOL. (SOL=sh*t out of luck, if you need a translation)

To everyone who isn't able to pump out something major, you're going to get booted off the island, and unless you have a degree in something, you're flipping burgers.

Sounds like exactly what I was trying to say.

How many talentless hacks who used to have very high paying jobs and stock options have you seen fall by the wayside in Silicon valley? I'd bet it is a lot.
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How about this situation:
You're a tech. You have mountains of real-world experience. You're working for a company/school/whatver. They don't have funding to sponsor your certifications, and even if they did, they wouldn't want to pay it, because with those new qualifications they would have to pay you more, or you would leave to go work where they did pay you more.

It benefits MANY enterprises to have so-called "uncertified" techs (talented and smart though they may be) that they can pay less than someone with a bunch of letters after their name.

Me, I'm getting my Bachelors in French with a minor in Spanish this May. What does that have to do with my job as a tech. Absolutely nothing. But, I'll still be able to get a raise because I have a piece of paper from my university saying I'm a smart person...

What will a friggin' CS degree do for a computer tech? Not a whole hell of a lot, in my opinion.

Keep collecting taxes and leave the tech work to us. ;)
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


What will a friggin' CS degree do for a computer tech? Not a whole hell of a lot, in my opinion.

Keep collecting taxes and leave the tech work to us. ;)
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here is an alternate theory...there exists a techie gene and we are who we are and will always be talented techs who are almost always as equally untalented getting dates

so you lawyers could pick up the chicks while we techs salivate over motherboards

how's that?

being a techie is an orientation and if it is not you, you could never fake it with a cs degree or technical certification
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield
we are not like any other industry and that is where the outsiders get us wrong...it is like the football fans who wonder how such a gay, effeminate city like san francisco could have such a black and blue five time super bowl team

unless you grew up in silicon valley or san francisco, you will never understand valley IT or the 49ers

...i will admit, i do not know jack about where you live and if i came to chicago, i would prabably accidentaly walk into the wrong neighborhood:D

i do like chicago hope and e.r. ans sammy sosa can hit consistently
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How many members of the 49ers are from the San Fransisco area originally? How many were drafted and then moved there? The 49ers are no different than any other professional football team, they are as easy to understand as any other football team regardless of location.

As for Chicago, it's a pretty interesting town, but no worse than Oakland as for being "tough."

Sosa, he's a baseball player. Bonds may have talent, but he's a schmuck.
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield
here is an alternate theory...there exists a techie gene and we are who we are and will always be talented techs who are almost always as equally untalented getting dates

so you lawyers could pick up the chicks while we techs salivate over motherboards

how's that?

being a techie is an orientation and if it is not you, you could never fake it with a cs degree or technical certification
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Quite possibly the best ever explanation!! Bravo!! LMAO.
 
Originally posted by jefhatfield


here is an alternate theory...there exists a techie gene and we are who we are and will always be talented techs who are almost always as equally untalented getting dates

so you lawyers could pick up the chicks while we techs salivate over motherboards

how's that?

being a techie is an orientation and if it is not you, you could never fake it with a cs degree or technical certification
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Sounds good to me. But wait...I have a girlfreind...does that make me a bad tech? :D
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Sounds good to me. But wait...I have a girlfreind...does that make me a bad tech? :D
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mmmmm... probably not, just distracted at times... not that I am saying that would be a bad thing.... :D... I could use some of that myself.
 
Originally posted by cb911
if they are going to release the G5 at NY then it makes sense to get the TiBook out there as soon as possible, so there isn't a double up of releases at NY
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And a double up would be a problem? Apple typically makes multiple announcements at major shows and Apple followers prefer it! Why just announce one new computer when you can announce two? Or a new computer, a new digital device and a new OS upgrade? Apple typically stacks accouncements. It's rare when they only have one improved product to announce.. in fact, I can't think of a single point in the last year where they had less than three new or improved products to announce at a show.

As far as Superdrive in TiBook.. I find it a highly practical idea for those who have use for it. For one thing, a DVD is not just for editing movie clips! A DVD makes an excellent mobile solution for backing up your critical files! Nothing wrong with having more choices! I know Apple has an in with Pioneer, and Hollywood, and a major woody for the latest and greatest in DVD and video.. they will be the most likely to get a DVD+RW into a portable. It really isn't a question of why or if. It's just a question of when. Maybe not right now, but it will happen. As far as news of the existance of such a thing being all over the media, I would be quick to point out that Apple has had many exlcusives in the past where Apple was first to announce the use of a product before the parent company even squeaked about it. Case in point Nvidia's GeForce 4 in the latest Power Macs.. Apple was first. And it wasn't the first time.
 
Wellllll, right. Double ups do seem to be a problem to Apple these days. The iMac was introed with no mention of the towers untila few weeks later to give the iMac some breathing room. The iPod was its own event.
A major announcement like G5 would also have other updates, minor speed bumps, maybe a 10.1.__ release, but all new G5 and a laptop release that didn't use the G5? Nope, not gonna happen. The Laptop will come first if it's not G5, then a the next MW, the G5.

re: Educational degrees... The tech field isn't the only one that doesn't look as closely at them, the entertainment field (not just actors but cameramen to editors to producers) doesn't require a degree to get an interview. The only times I needed a resume in the past ten years was as a formality, and even then it either wasn't even read or if it was, it was just used as a reference to see how to spell my name. Ability and contacts is how the real world works, unfortunately for many of us.
Also as jefhatfield pointed out he is in California which is notoriously blind to degres especially compared to the more conservative east coast where everyone needs to quantified, not neccesarily qualified.
 
Originally posted by SPG
Wellllll, right. Double ups do seem to be a problem to Apple these days. The iMac was introed with no mention of the towers untila few weeks later to give the iMac some breathing room. The iPod was its own event.
A major announcement like G5 would also have other updates, minor speed bumps, maybe a 10.1.__ release, but all new G5 and a laptop release that didn't use the G5? Nope, not gonna happen. The Laptop will come first if it's not G5, then a the next MW, the G5.
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Apple has actually been a little schizophrenic about product announcements.

MWNY '01 - Quicksilvers, and iMac update (double release)
MWSF '02 - the new iMac needed to have sole ownership of the spotlight, speed bumped QS came later
MWTokyo '02 - Updated iPod, new Cinema HD, Bluetooth capapbilites; technically a multiple release (though not of the major hardware)

As usual, if you try to discern a logical pattern in Apple's release scheme you're going to wind up with a headache.
 
on the note of techs. i think all of you are missing the point entirely (perhaps this is why you werent abel to get a degree). i was saying the reason techs dont have degrees isnt because a degree is useless (as so many of you seem to believe) but that it is instead due to the fact people with degrees get better jobs. a tech job is pretty low on the ladder for someone with a technical degree. people with tech degrees are doing bigger and better things with their degrees than some tech position.

does this mean that people with degrees would do a poor jb as a tech, i certainly dont think so. ive found that most techs rarely know more than i do, whereas my firends with degrees in cs ee and what not know a whole lot more than i do and will always be able to solve my problems. ive found that tech generally cant do any better than i can do. saying that a degreed person could not do a better job or (as many of you have said) culd not perform the job at all, is just plain ignorance. thats like saying a person with a phd could not work a job at mcdonalds.

most competent techs i know are college kids who quickly excel in the tech industry but take off to a better job once they get that degree. i find it shocking so many of you are so hostile toward people with degrees, frankly i think this is plain and simple jealousy. you guys need to get of this, if you are not smart enough to get that degree then accept that some people have skills that you dont have and get over it. if you are smart enough and you are still that bitter, maybe you need to ask yourself why you havent gotten that degree you are so jealous of. you guys sound like a bunch of high school kids who proclaim that all the kids who get "A"s are losers and will never succeed in life, and are simply not cool like the kids who fail their classes. serisously, for a bunch of old timers you guys sure are immature.
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Apple has actually been a little schizophrenic about product announcements.

MWNY '01 - Quicksilvers, and iMac update (double release)
MWSF '02 - the new iMac needed to have sole ownership of the spotlight, speed bumped QS came later
MWTokyo '02 - Updated iPod, new Cinema HD, Bluetooth capapbilites; technically a multiple release (though not of the major hardware)

As usual, if you try to discern a logical pattern in Apple's release scheme you're going to wind up with a headache.
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i think the releases are less orchestrated than many of us (including myself) often believe. the quicksilvers were probably not released because they were not ready (of course the imacs also were nto ready but apple had to wheel out the big guns after all the hype they generated). it has been widely rumored that the powermac update was so quiet because apple had planned to release powermacs with the even more rumored new motherboards, but had problems delivering the whole product. if these rumors are true then apple's releases more likley represent what they have available. i think we can all imagine steve riding everyone's asses trying to get everything ready in time. and all the MW announcements that dont ship for a few months are likely a sympton of these release strategy. there are some holes in my reasoning here but i think you guys get my general point.
 
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