Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
on the note of techs. i think all of you are missing the point entirely (perhaps this is why you werent abel to get a degree). i was saying the reason techs dont have degrees isnt because a degree is useless (as so many of you seem to believe) but that it is instead due to the fact people with degrees get better jobs. a tech job is pretty low on the ladder for someone with a technical degree. people with tech degrees are doing bigger and better things with their degrees than some tech position.
does this mean that people with degrees would do a poor jb as a tech, i certainly dont think so. ive found that most techs rarely know more than i do, whereas my firends with degrees in cs ee and what not know a whole lot more than i do and will always be able to solve my problems. ive found that tech generally cant do any better than i can do. saying that a degreed person could not do a better job or (as many of you have said) culd not perform the job at all, is just plain ignorance. thats like saying a person with a phd could not work a job at mcdonalds.
most competent techs i know are college kids who quickly excel in the tech industry but take off to a better job once they get that degree. i find it shocking so many of you are so hostile toward people with degrees, frankly i think this is plain and simple jealousy. you guys need to get of this, if you are not smart enough to get that degree then accept that some people have skills that you dont have and get over it. if you are smart enough and you are still that bitter, maybe you need to ask yourself why you havent gotten that degree you are so jealous of. you guys sound like a bunch of high school kids who proclaim that all the kids who get "A"s are losers and will never succeed in life, and are simply not cool like the kids who fail their classes. serisously, for a bunch of old timers you guys sure are immature.
from what you say, i could tell you have not grown up in silicon valley or nearby like i did
the three people knocking degrees, all of us have a bachelor's degrees or more (unlike you) and two of us have certifications on top of those degree or degrees
i hate to spout it again... two degrees, one certification, one more degree and certification on the way, cs teacher, cs tutor in the college environment, three years in the field, and i am pro-education, for god's sake
but this field of IT in the san jose and surrounding areas is about talent and talent only and the ones who excel and get to the top do not have degrees
having a degree will not be bad for the field and a degreed person will reach the middle of the ladder, but like i said before, talent is it
now, i am almost about to blow my cover...my friend started sun microsystems (look it up) and i was a friend of david packard...and yes, for those of you who know about this stuff in san jose, i live near david packard's daughter and big sur, california and the whole region of locals are intimitately tied in with the valley and david packard, steve jobs, woz, ellison ,etc..
i would love to see you and mcrain tell me your theories of silicon valley in front of mr. packard if he were still alive
i mean, jesus christ, come on... do i try and speculate about where you two grew up without having been raised there...just because you may have come to northern california on vacation or atented school here does not make you a native
only a native could even know what i am talking about
if you want to push degrees, go into law, medicine, or accounting where a lawyer, physician, or cpa needs a degree to be in their field
...but unless you work the IT field and get paid, and live here, and most likely were raised here, your arguments are as ridiculous as me trying to solve the middle east crisis in five hundred words
again, when was the last time i tried to tell you what your hometown and area were like?
as forrest gump said, "stupid is as stupid does"
the more i hear, the more i can see you need to visit the area and just get a clue
