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Just in time for them to tell me what is gonna happen with my 20GB of MobileMe iDisk storage before it expires on June 30!
 
Craziness! I can't believe how fast that was. Think if they did everything that quickly. You know, like release their desk tops. That would be impressive as well. just sayin' lol!;)

We are not really getting any rumors on any new Mac products. This includes laptops or desktops including the Mac Pro. I remember when this was the Mac Rumors website, not the current Apple iToy Rumors website. These last 2 posts is about as close as we get to a Mac rumor anymore.

With Apple making 78% of its profit last year from its iToys are they actually really working on any new Macs? Maybe that is why there are no new rumors. The profit margin while already high on Mac just does not match the ultra high profit margins of the iToys. While we want new Mac models across the complete Mac board Apple either doesn't care or they are just being their old self of being over board in their secret hiding ways.

I'm for some real Mac Rumors & a real good percentage of time at WWDC focused towards the Mac. The next question will be whether that time spent on Mounain Lion is more time spent making it into iOS or whether it will be real Mac time?
 
Knew this would happen

I knew it would sold out in the matter of hours after the tickets went on sale. I predicted next year, it will be sold out in less than 20 minutes. Mark my word, y'all!

One more thing - frankly, I'd prefer Apple to rent a football stadium ;) That'd be swell. haha
 
Maybe it's time to consider moving this to a larger venue.

Moscone has two other buildings. I think they are larger, but its hard to tell. The other two are setup more for trade shows. Big empty halls probably don't help breakout teaching sessions.
 
Yeah but how many tickets are they selling? :rolleyes:

5000 tickets are sold each year.

Additionally, special guests are provided with tickets from a separate pool. Last year, 200 guests were invited to attend WWDC, however in the past that number has been more along the lines of 50 guests.
 
One more thing - frankly, I'd prefer Apple to rent a football stadium ;) That'd be swell. haha

That would be sweet, but I think only for the keynote address. Where would they put the training sessions, though?

What would be cool: if they offered a lower price for people who just want to go to the keynote and then the $1599 or whatever for the keynote + training sessions.

While the conference is too expensive for me, I think Apple would be smart in some respects to raise the ticket prices. If they really sold out in 2 hours, maybe a higher price will slow it down a bit. Let people on the east coast be able to wake up first. Plus, you'll get only the really diehard people who can really are into bettering their skills.
 
Not using mine. Elected to go to see the Eurocup 2012 instead. Much more fun and there will be booze and beautiful women. Two key elements missing at the apple show.
 
I hope some Mac people go as I've spent thousands of dollars on Mac software & less than $100 on the 600+ programs I have on my iToys.Plus I only have plans of spending the rest of that $100 in the future, lon or short.
 
AS arn said, it might not be size of the venue but rather number of teachers available for the sessions. There have been multiple stories about how Apple likes having small teams of developers so Apple might not just have enough trainers.
Apple's engineering team has always been very small for what they accomplish. Their engineering headcount is very low compared to their competitors.

The primary growth of Apple's employment ranks over the past few years has been in retail sales. They are very very cautious when it comes to hiring engineering talent.

So yes, there aren't a lot of engineers to do the teaching: class size/venue capacity probably isn't the limiting factor.

Teleconferencing might be a potential addition, but those attendees would not have access really to the one-on-one instruction in the labs, plus there is certain amount of attendee interaction.

A most impressive testament to Apple's developer program though, WWDC selling out this quickly.
 
To support more developers:

Obviously, demand for WWDC far exceeds supply, that's why the sell-out time decreases exponentially each year. There are multiple ways of dealing with this: 1) continue doing the 1980's thing and keep sessions at the same event as 1-on-1 developer time & have a single venue on a single occasion, or.. 2) advance into the new century:

Separate sessions and developer 1-on-1 time into different events at multiple venues. 1) Prepare the session videos ahead of time and away from the developers; release comprehensive documentation at the same time. Give at least 1..2 weeks before setting up the question sessions. Developers will have time to get the information they need. It reduces the strain put on having to choose between multiple sessions at the same time and lets you collect questions for more efficient Q/A, 2) Increase the number of developers and how long they attend the conference. I'm frequently told that "oh, that developer who knows how to answer that will only be here on Tuesday from noon to 3." or some such problem. Trouble is there's a sessions I have to be in at that time... Keep extra developers on Face Time stand-by. 3) Have the conference at multiple locations around the world & US. San Fran is far, far away and expensive to live in for a week. 4) Use that cool $8M you just made on aluminum and glass tickets to actually hire folks who work along side the developers and whose job it is to help developers solve problems; and I don't mean "evangelists."

Actually, my suggestion is rather like enhancing the tech talks and lowering the cost of developer-support-incidents. I can realistically work through 20-25 issues at a WWDC, it would be great if I could do that for the same price through a chat session which Apple could schedule on their own time.

Just my 2 cents since they wouldn't take my $1600
 
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What would be cool: if they offered a lower price for people who just want to go to the keynote and then the $1599 or whatever for the keynote + training sessions.

The training is already free. Videos of the training sessions will be released within a few weeks of the end of WWDC.

The keynote will be blogged about live for free as well.

You're paying for one-on-one with Apple engineers - the actual people who designed and coded iOS and OS X. And you're paying for the interaction with others at the conference with like minds, who you can shoot ideas off of, that you can help and will help you as well. The 'energy' you get there is amazing - you will get a huge desire to be a better developer.
 
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This is no surprise to those of us who attend each year. It's a known fact, if one wants to get tickets you've got to be prepared to act immediately. Any professional that failed to get a ticket, is not very serious about attending. It's a big, growing community, that's a fact that's very obvious.
 
You can't now. That's why they require you to already be a registered developer ;)

yes I am already a registered developer, so I think another fellow dev could just activate one code for me if he purchased extra tickets.
 
Anyone with student loans?

I was seriously considering it despite having already borrowed $35,000 for college so far... and I'm only through my first of five years! (I'm thinking if I can manage putting out 3-4 good apps per year, I should be able to bring in about $30K/year which should see me having my loans paid back within a year of graduation...)
 
Not using mine. Elected to go to see the Eurocup 2012 instead. Much more fun and there will be booze and beautiful women. Two key elements missing at the apple show.
True.

Fortunately there are options for SF Bay Area locals. The US Open golf tournament is being held that week, plus the Giants are in town against the Astros. Lots of hotness at the ballpark!

:D
 
yes I am already a registered developer, so I think another fellow dev could just activate one code for me if he purchased extra tickets.

I believe this year the purchase is tied to an organization in the developer program. So, you can transfer to your team-mates but not to anyone else.
 
Saw a comment about the West Coast and waking up to all sold

What about other parts of the world
i.e. Us in Australia
 
The training is already free. Videos of the training sessions will be released within a few weeks of the end of WWDC.

The keynote will be blogged about live for free as well.

You're paying for one-on-one with Apple engineers - the actual people who designed and coded iOS and OS X. And you're paying for the interaction with others at the conference with like minds, who you can shoot ideas off of, that you can help and will help you as well. The 'energy' you get there is amazing - you will get a huge desire to be a better developer.

While it may be free afterwards, there's something to be said about actually being there. Under that logic, no one should pay several hundred bucks to see a concert when the CD or iTunes download of the event will come out a little later for maybe $15.

This is no surprise to those of us who attend each year. It's a known fact, if one wants to get tickets you've got to be prepared to act immediately. Any professional that failed to get a ticket, is not very serious about attending. It's a big, growing community, that's a fact that's very obvious.

Only problem with that is how did people know they were going on sale today? By the time they learn that sales are open and can get to a computer to buy a ticket, it may be too late. There are people in Europe & Asia who are asleep right now. Are you saying they're not "professional" enough?
 
Sick

For that money, I'd rather buy a new macbook...

Insane. 1600 Bucks to attend a conference.
 
I haven't been to WWDC before, either. My question is: how are the training sessions set up? Is it kind of lecture/lab class? If so, increasing class sizes might work. However, if it's more of a one-on-one kind of thing where you get individual attention, increasing class size would probably make it worse.

The sessions are held in enormous rooms. Each one can probably hold a thousand people or so. There are usually six sessions going on simultaneously during each timeslot, and some sessions are repeated two or three times during the course of the week.
 
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