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Soooo frustrating

I have been checking every day to see when they were going to announce. I go to the GYM this morning and miss the entire thing? That's insane. I am so amazingly frustrated by how this gets handled every year.
 
Or you missed out the fact that I'm a full time college student and don't have the time to have a job, but I do have enough bits of free time to put together an app every few months.

3. First one brings in $100/year, second one $100/year, third one is on track to bring in $3K/year (it's been up for 3 months and has brought in $1K so far.) I expect each app will bring in more than the previous, as I learn more about how to make quality apps and how to market them properly.

I'd be courious to hear from you again in 6-9 months. I've got an app out there (since July) that has brought in about $5K so far, but I thought it should have done 20-30x that (it's damn good if I say so myself, and I have been a professional software dev for a lot more years than PC's have existed, let alone Macs). The sales curve looks a lot like a valley, so at least I'm happy that it's back on the up trend.
 
Time to look for more venue space.
Sadly, that's exactly the wrong thing to do. It's too large now, it's lost the community feel that it use to have. I've been for the past 18 years, but decided not to this year. I had my ticket in the cart, but decided not to. I think they should raise the prices and gave fewer tickets.
 
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got two, sell them on ebay now.:cool:

Apple should have made it so that tickets are sold to a particular person, via their developer account / Apple ID and should be non-transferable. That would stop resales.

I also think every event should be broadcast live, perhaps for a small fee and then also put up after the conference for all registered developers.

And I wonder if Moscone is the right place for this. How many large lecture halls get set up? Would they be better off holding this in the Summer and having it at a university, where they could make use of a large number of large lecture halls? Or, if they don't have more than 20 sessions going on concurrently, maybe even a large multiplex movie theatre.

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For that money, I'd rather buy a new macbook...

Insane. 1600 Bucks to attend a conference.


That's actually quite typical cost for a one-day industry conference of just talking heads pontificating with no real information. If attending WWDC gets you answers to programming problems one is having or enables you to vastly improve your programming or make use of new features/APIs or makes you more efficient, it's worth far more than $1600.

I think you have to compare the WWDC to a college-level course (or two). Most schools charge around $1000 a credit these days and a typical course is three credits, which gets you about three hours of class time a week. What that says to me is that the WWDC is actually worth between $3K and $6K.
 
WWDC seems to have gotten definitely frustrating...I have been checking 10 times a day lately...I just happened to wake up around 6:45am (west coast) and see the email, I jumped out of bed and registered...

With that said, WWDC has a lot of value. I have only been there once, and it's more than just the sessions...the sessions tend to be the lesser value for me. I pick up some valuable points,...where I get my value is in the labs. One on one time can really save you a lot of time and energy on particularly challenging issues. You can bring your code. You can bring your theories. I ended up spending several hours with developers going over real code and hypothetical issues we had as an organization. I didn't realize the value of the labs however until about the 1/2 point of the week...so this year, I plan on signing up for labs from day one, and spending at least half my time with apple developers.
 
Apple needs to make East, West, Europe, and SE Asia conferences at least.
The problem being the 1000 engineers. Apple can't do that much travel without a huge disruption and cost. That's why I suggested simply doing a second week, and no it doesn't have to be consecutive. Week 2 might become more popular as a means to digest "lessons learned" from Week 1 Attendees.

There should be a 2x premium price to attend both to disincent double dippers.

Rocketman
 
It does seem that Apple are using the sell out as a marketing tactic, rather than serving the developers as it should do.

Assuming that Apple can't spare any more staff for this event, what about holding additional events? Possibly separate Mac/iOS events, or an event in Europe?
 
It does seem that Apple are using the sell out as a marketing tactic, rather than serving the developers as it should do.

Assuming that Apple can't spare any more staff for this event, what about holding additional events? Possibly separate Mac/iOS events, or an event in Europe?

How does it seem Apple is using WWDC selling out as a marketing tool ?

Example ?
 
It does seem that Apple are using the sell out as a marketing tactic, rather than serving the developers as it should do.

Assuming that Apple can't spare any more staff for this event, what about holding additional events? Possibly separate Mac/iOS events, or an event in Europe?

If they are using their engineers as the people doing labs and such (sorry, I know little about WWDC except that's when they seem to announce the iphone or at least iOS), I think they may only have one week cause they want their engineers focusing on developing stuff and working.

Now if they are hiring outside people to do the labs/lectures, I could see this. But I could understand if it is their own employees why they wouldn't want to do more than one week. They probably want to focus on actually developing products.
 
I have my company's annual disaster recovery event to thank for being at the computer to read Macworld post alerting me ticked went on sale! Didn't wait, pulled the trigger and sold! An hour before sell out! I will be blogging the event for sure. @nungster
 
If they are using their engineers as the people doing labs and such ..., I think they may only have one week cause they want their engineers focusing on developing stuff and working.

Apple just reported $39B in a slow quarter for the entire business. The iOS App store was running somewhere around a $0.75B per quarter (with only 30% of that going to Apple), which is around 2%. So investing about 2% of their key engineer's time, or 1 week, is about right given the relative business sizes (plus those engineers probably spend a ton of time in preparations for their WWDC presentations). Any more conferences might slow down the new products driving their multi-billion revenue, costing far more than the entire iOS and Mac apps business.

Does anyone here want their new OS X or iOS updates (and maybe new hardware as well) to be delayed by more than a week?
 
Totally broken

The WWDC concept is totally broken if the tickets sell out faster than a Beatles reunion concert (even considering that that would require reincarnating two of the Beatles).

Re-imagine the purpose and concept - make it real-time and time-shifted on the web.

Or have convention sites around the world doing big-screen sessions in real-time - that would add the sense of "community" among attendees that would be missing from following a web feed in your cubicle.

Totally broken.
 
Duplicate CC causes cancellation

Looks like Apple is canceling tickets after the first one if the same credit card is used... They didn't consider that Companies may purchase more than 1 using the same credit card?

After an hour on the phone and being transfered to several different folks I'm told they will investigate and that I should just sit tight for a few days.

REALLY? What about the flight/hotel and everything that was already booked? I expected more from Apple.
 
It means there are still only 5000 seats available. Looking forward to watch Tim in the keynote.
 
It does seem that Apple are using the sell out as a marketing tactic, rather than serving the developers as it should do.

Assuming that Apple can't spare any more staff for this event, what about holding additional events? Possibly separate Mac/iOS events, or an event in Europe?

It more that these events have turned into almost events people just want to go to because it is thrown. Google IO has an insane sell out time to it. Apple events has a insane sell out time and so on.

Problem is to many people buy tickets more for either scalping them or because they can just say they went and try to see the keynott. This locking out the people who truly could benefit from this event.
 
I have been checking every day to see when they were going to announce. I go to the GYM this morning and miss the entire thing? That's insane. I am so amazingly frustrated by how this gets handled every year.

I missed it too because I was watching in cinema hall watching movie. BTW , I am from India, it was evening for us. Just before leaving office I checked my email. :mad:
I think for annual event like this, Apple should declare date and time in advance so that we all can get fair chances to register.
 
black-marketeers - no chance this time

Following the sales of past years it was no secret that you (this goes not to the previous poster in particular, but rather is a general statement) have to be quick. If you have no idea how to accomplish that at all, you should better not attend the conference … SCNR ;-)

For Apple it is not easy to serve potentially the whole world incl. covering the complete timezone scale. I think the current way of "not announcing it in advance and just putting it up" is still a good compromise of not preferring a specific timezone. They might change it in the future even.
You all seem to forget that we - especially developers - are in a 24x7-always-on era. Agreed, it's a tough one to get WWDC tickets, but there will be always an issue with events selling out quickly also in the same timezone and always people complaining about with any kind of reasons. Recently a Lady Gaga concert was sold out in 10 minutes (13K tickets).

What I don't like - and I think the group keeping the same view is relatively big - are people just getting the tickets for selling it on the black market. Apple therefore has put into place this time a more rigid policy trying to prevent it. And maybe yes, some might be able to circumvent it and will be successful with it.
But guys, the majority of sellers are so super easy to catch: did you ever thought about that Apple just needs to hire 2 students observing the usual selling sites, bidding on it to get the tickets (you can imagine Apple can afford going any price, right? ;-) ..especially as they won't even have to pay them on finally getting the bid ;-) … read the terms). In return your seller identity details will be revealed, the case gets to the legal department and: Boom!
Tickets get revoked (hopefully somehow back into sale), your name and maybe your company's name will be screwed for ages in Apple's CRM for at minimum not being able to buy any tickets in the future anymore.
Ah, did I mention it already..no? Ok, read it again: it's so super easy to get you "unfair players".


It's a pity so see that in these days many people seem not to respect some sort of code of ethics, which always has set apart the Mac developers community from others.


Topic of higher price? no. For Apple this is irrelevant portion of money on the one hand, on the other hand it is more important to have a diverse mixture of developers on site. And not just corporate people and people who just have more money than others (and especially playing that card usually in their life - aka a**h*les). To prevent specific type of comments on that one: I have no problem with money, just with people who are voting for much higher ticket prices, because they are giving a **** on the ticket price as they can pay easily 5K or more - you know those type of arrogant behaving people, thinking to get sort out everything with money. Indies and small development teams are an important part of Apple's success. In case once WWDC would turn to a corporate attendee culture - it's going to suck. I hope Apple is aware of keeping the balance right. Of course there were/are/will be attending peeps from big companies, however the clear base (at least used to be) are the small ones or individuals coming from big companies, but are there because it's their passion and maybe even not paid by their employer. But what I also saw in the past are quite a bunch of non-technical people, mainly "biz developers/marketing bubblers/maybe even personal assistant..(I bet having seen a guy with his secretary once in 2010)?! who knows..", who are running around usually in a bulk of other team colleagues where at least one is supposed to be a developer. It might be arguable for themselves already if this is really the right place for them, and for the others without a chance to get a ticket if Apple should start filtering more strict.

The majority if not all of the press people usually attend only the keynote. For sure they get a special accreditation for that, as the rest of the week is a) not interesting for the press, b) there is always an NDA - so what should the press publish about (incl bloggers)? So this target group is excluded from the regular ticket sale per se.


The conference sessions will be available on iTunes (U) (as somebody here was asking) - so as the ones from the last 2 or 3 years also. And it will take a while until they are online. But Apple did a big improvement on that. Last year they put them online even in the same month. Before that I remember times, where those videos where not free and you have to pay USD1000 for them (in case you were not an attendee), it took them until Xmas time putting them online. So if you couldn't get a ticket, from a pure content perspective you are lucky these days being able to get the videos relatively quick. Live broadcasts are not necessary therefore and I can't imagine Apple will ever (at least not in the next decade) do that. Of course those videos are not conveying the magic of WWDC and if there's always a chance, go. It's 1000 times better being onsite. No doubt.


Biz opportunity for a "WWDC sniper online service" as someone posted? If you can abstract the idea to a general service, which can hook on multiple ticket sales (meaning not just WWDC), then it might be an interesting idea. Just for WWDC? Not at all. Why? The necessary stuff runs in less than a day by an average developer (just for him/herself of course).


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Ok, the first 4 auctions on ebay are online... oh wonder...
Let's see at the reasons the sellers giving:

#1:
"I purchased this ticket but my company will want me to use my vacation hours to go. * I don't want to do that.* So, I'm offering this ticket up for sale."


Total fail.
- of course, the person's employer make him to pay with his personal credit card
- of course, the person first pays USD1600, in order then to find out "later" (but just minutes after the activation code came into the mail inbox) that his employer wants to make him using vacation for it. Guess this usually is clarified in advance.
- of course the person is a real mac developer...
- and last but not least: a real WWDC fan/mac dev/etc is willing to spend vacation for the WWDC week ;-)


#2:
"I purchased this ticket in fear of it selling out (which it did in 2 hours this year!), but my company purchased one for me as well, so I have an extra for anyone interested."


Total Fail.
- Of course, everybody knows about the run on WWDC tickets, but obviously the person used his/her personal account (therefore also personal credit card), whereas the company supposed to use a company account (to get x/5 tickets), totally authentic... the "luxury problem" that a person has 2 tickets, instead of the realistic scenario of ending up with 0 ticket...
- of course would a company and an individual would do such an async attempt to buy when the ticket is meant to be for 1 person (..hello, there's a telephone or IM possibility to time your shopping steps)
- of course the company is so small, that the remaining ticket - which can't be on the person's name yet - can't be used up for another employee of the same company
- of course this "developer" is selling in other related auctions "gift cards for spa massage" and "victoria secret's stuff"...

..WTF

#3:
"I am selling the ticket to WWDC 2012 developer event, since I don't need it anymore."


Total fail.
- of course, this "developer" doesn't need it anymore..
- of course there is an instant-buy price set to USD5000... "no no, i dont wanna rip off my dev mates"

.. come on, GTFO


#4:
"I purchased this ticket, but now no longer need it, so it's available for anyone who is interested."


- of course again a "developer" who instantly found out after immediate retrieval of the activation code that it is not needed anymore
- of course this ebay account was openend Apr-25-12
- of course it's the 1st auction ever on this account

Yah...right...




...those 4 "developers" must be quite riding alone in the dark, as they went immediately on sale with their tickets.. and didn't know any friend/colleague in their "digital dev environment", who might want to go to WWDC..?! ... it's obviously so not authentic especially looking at their timing and stupid, inconsistent reasonings.... clearly money making on the black market has been their primary intention right from the beginning.



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Meanwhile there were 6 auctions in total on ebay.com.
6th: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300701836081
2 are shot already at USD4000 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170830985977
and USD5000 http://www.ebay.com/itm/110868763466.
A new auctionist was even too lazy to use an own description and copied it 1:1 from another auction - or it might be the same person behind.

Would be interesting to read from the buyers onto which terms they agreed on with the seller. Meaning what happens if they can't activate it or when being onsite at the registration booth don't pass the ID check (yes Apple is doing this). Will they get the money back from the sellers plus all connected additional costs?

Guys, really, don't tap into this trap. Don't buy it on ebay or elsewhere. They are non-transferrable.
You really think Apple can't trace respectively map the sent activation code back to the initial buying Apple ID and personal information?
Individual WWDC tickets are by definition 100% bound to the buyer's Apple ID, not the activator. That's the terms.
The company WWDC tickets are also relatively easy to detect in case they are sold outside of the company account. Why? Because the "new buyer" is required to be part of the company's account. So do you really think a company is putting you onto their actual company account? Never ever. And if there are really some black sheeps don't caring about providing all their internal account information and possible functions to the "new member" implicitly by adding the new buyer, don't you think Apple can easily do a plausibility checks of the new buyer's personal information with the company account? And especially if the seller is not adding you to the company account - that's quite an obvious failing plausibility check for Apple. In fact, and this is quite sad for companies who are doing the company switch from a valid company member to another valid company member, Apple's terms are even saying that Apple is even reserving the right to reject such re-assignments. So they are really checking it on case-base in a manual process.
OMG... can't believe people (sellers and prospects) are really believing it works out...


Update 3
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Meanwhile: 1 new auction on ebay arrived http://www.ebay.com/itm/320895608028. But 3 auctions were not ended successfully (they are not listed anymore, but also do not appear in the "ended watchlist"), so obviously they were cancelled (by ebay backoffice I assume, since usually an auctionist can't cancel it once a bid was made, which was the case for every ticket offering).

The new auction is a bit funny, as the guy put the start to USD 0.01 and currently the bid stucks at USD510.00.
No further specific reason given, just:
"I am selling my 2012 Apple Worldwide Developer Conference ticket. Upon completion of the payment, I will send you the activation link for the ticket. You need Apple Developer Account in order to activate this ticket."




Update 4 (2012-04-27 10:00 PM CET)
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Just checked the ebay watchlist. Now all auctions were cancelled. Even the 2 successfully ended ones were removed from the "ended" list. That's clearly a sign that Ebay was made to remove ongoing and even wipe out ended auctions from the records.
As I didn't expected the complete removal, the ebay links above are voided now.

So what's the final result now (at least on the ebay platform):
- in total 7 auctions
- 2 were ended successfully (who knows who bid... Apple investigators?! ;-) )
- 5 were ongoing (meaning had bids already) but cancelled before their deadlines
- data of all 7 auctions were wiped out from the records

... looks like some effective intervention happened on behalf of Apple! :)
 
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Sadly, that's exactly the wrong thing to do. It's too large now, it's lost the community feel that it use to have. I've been for the past 18 years, but decided not to this year. I had my ticket in the cart, but decided not to. I think they should raise the prices and gave fewer tickets.

But what do you expect from a company that keeps growing? They can't keep things small forever.
 
How about Apple join the rest of the technology industry and when their developer conferences become so inaccessible to such a large number of people, then ADD MORE CONFERENCES!

Microsoft and Intel hold two per year for largely this reason. There is simply no good reason for Apple to stick with one conference with it selling out this fast.
 
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