Tiger Available April 29th

[rdowns]

I think there is a LITTLE bit more to it then a ripple effect....

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All because Apple is playing marketing games.

Until now, harnessing the power of the GPU required in-depth knowledge of pixel-level programming. Core Image allows developers to easily leverage these programmable GPUs for blistering-fast image processing that can eliminate rendering time delays. Effects and transitions can be expressed with a few lines of code. Core Image handles the rest, optimizing the path to the GPU. The result is real-time, interactive responsiveness as you select and apply filters.


For computers without a programmable GPU, Core Image dynamically optimizes for the CPU, automatically tuning for Velocity Engine and multiple processors as appropriate.

 

[FYA]

TAX

I like most, am looking forward to Tiger. However, I am getting really pissed off at the pricing that Apple uses in the UK. Tiger in US (inc shipping) = $129 (£68.18) so why does it cost £89, ($168) here?

It's the same for iTunes downloads, and the rest of Apple hardware/software.

I really wish that they would "Think Different".

Note to Apple - stop screwing UK users.

it's called British TAX (a.k.a VAT) I'm living in Greece at the moment and had to wait over a month for my shuffle and paid EUR 115

By the way, I hope they release it in Greece at the same time as the US and I hope they include the free goodies!

When I bought Panther I was in Thailand and it came with a cool t-shirt and mouse pad.

Apple... where are the new PMacs?

 

[Deslock]

Will Tiger's Safari have undo? (so if you mistakenly delete text in a forum posting, you can retrieve it) I didn't see that on the list at http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html.

 

[matticus008]

I like most, am looking forward to Tiger. However, I am getting really pissed off at the pricing that Apple uses in the UK. Tiger in US (inc shipping) = $129 (£68.18) so why does it cost £89, ($168) here?

It's the same for iTunes downloads, and the rest of Apple hardware/software.

I really wish that they would "Think Different".

Note to Apple - stop screwing UK users.

Padding profits in exchange rates has been happening since the 1300s (it started in Champagne, France, I believe). Most American things are overpriced in the UK. Though I don't eat McDonald's, the prices in Sterling are astronomical (and here I thought $4 was too much to pay for such horrible food, let alone twice that in London). You also have to take into account VAT versus external sales tax (though Americans can currently evade sales tax by buying from an out-of-state retailer online--we're supposed to pay those taxes annually when we file our returns). I've noticed peculiar charges in the UK, like TV licenses and so on. Something like that could be involved, maybe? I really, really don't understand the need to pay almost $300 to license your television (and it seems like that's a recurring annual charge!).

I'm not sure why companies charge more for foreign sales (more than necessary to make up for higher operating costs, customs, and money conversion, that is), but it's not unique to Apple or the technology sector. I think foreign companies in America don't do that because our government is pretty hostile to such practices, and there is so much competition here that overpricing puts people out of business. If there were UK computer imports that were very desireable, I think they'd probably be overpriced, too. If it makes you feel any better, university textbooks, health care costs, and insurance are absolutely out of control in the States (some would say gasoline, too, but I think most of us here know how cheap it is in the US, comparatively).

Edit: $137 before VAT? That's perfectly reasonable, then.

 

[krappamc]

*accidently* bought one..
couldn't resist my finger pressing that 'check-out' button..
oh well, nevertheless, i am glad.
i just hope it will make my 2 months of mac life more enjoyable.
and it was so cheap too!!!! at $69..
never really bought an OS, but I just had a feeling this had to be bought..

amaze me TIGER!!

 

[Chilled Eskimo]

Man, people will think of anything to complain about.

1. This is NO different than the client version.

2. This is exponentially cheaper than any company backed server upgrade. A grand for an unlimited license upgrade? It's nothing, absolutely nothing. In the Microsoft world, think tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. OSX Server is the best deal in the market.

3. This is the way it has always been. Are you just figuring this out?

You've missed the point totally.

1. If I want to serve to 11 Macs I have to buy the full Unlimited Client product. If I have Final Cut Pro 4.5 and upgrade to 5 then I pay an upgrade price and don't have to buy the whole product again. Why no upgrade path for the server?

2. It may cheaper than windows but 10.3 was still full of issues and unfortunately did not fulfill it's promise. To move totally from a windows environment to xserve is not yet viable for everyone, especially in an Active Directory environment using Exchange.

3. It doesn't cost me tens of thousands of dollars to run a windows network.

4. Software RAID on the XServe is unacceptable in a high availability environment (Hardware RAID on XRAID is).

 

[eXan]

Tiger news are twice pleasant for me:

I also will get iPod U2 tomorrow! (my dad gives his to me and buys 60 GB iPod photo for himself, I give my 1G green mini to mom)

 

[iAlan]

Anyone know how long it will take for the Japanese version to come out?

The Apple Japan page has the release on the same day - and it is my understanding that youy can do any language instal off of the one disk...?

 

[Stella]

Will Tiger's Safari have undo? (so if you mistakenly delete text in a forum posting, you can retrieve it) I didn't see that on the list at http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html.

I really hope so, its way over due for such a basic feature. I'm looking forward to the faster Javascript engine. Javascript in Panther Safari is pretty damned slow!!

Also, I really hope they will release Thesaurus's in different languages, other than u.s English. ( And why not? We all pay for Tiger, Apple should include the thesaurus data file - and its not that difficult either - we should get what we pay for - rather than paying for useless u.s localisation functionality ).

 

[lowrisk]

That was fast

I held off buying a new 12" PB until Tiger was announced, so I could qualify for up-to-date. So, at 4:00pm PDT April 12, I placed my order through the Tigard, OR store. At 2:45am PDT April 13 (less than 11 hours later), I receved an email saying that my order had shipped. Wow!

 

[MacNemesis]

You've missed the point totally.

1. If I want to serve to 11 Macs I have to buy the full Unlimited Client product. If I have Final Cut Pro 4.5 and upgrade to 5 then I pay an upgrade price and don't have to buy the whole product again. Why no upgrade path for the server?

2. It may cheaper than windows but 10.3 was still full of issues and unfortunately did not fulfill it's promise. To move totally from a windows environment to xserve is not yet viable for everyone, especially in an Active Directory environment using Exchange.

3. It doesn't cost me tens of thousands of dollars to run a windows network.

4. Software RAID on the XServe is unacceptable in a high availability environment (Hardware RAID on XRAID is).

1. The enterprise world is a different world. With all due respect, anyone who didn't purchase the maintainance (AMP) on OS X Server is throwing money away. I'm not sure if EDU price is different than retail, but considering a normal 18 month relesase cycle, you've spent $499 and you basically get 2 versions for that. Not too shabby.

2. 10.3 server got better with every point release. I think at 10.3.4 AD integration was "acceptable". Now exchange integration? We'll you got 'em there, but I don't want to go on my exchange tirade. But if that's what you're stuck with, then my condolances.

3. with 11 clients you are right. With 110 or 1100, it's a different story.

4. Software raid on any system is unacceptable, that's why Apple offers the hardware raid card on all G5 Xserves. It's faaaast. So are Xserve RAIDs... Oh and they're cheap. Anyone running XSan?

 

[salmon]

I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.

I don't have thousands of dollars (or hundreds) laying around like many of you it seems. I bought what computer I could afford and don't have the $$ to spend on more software for it at this time. Don't bother saying you don't feel sorry, I'm not asking you to.

One happy customer will tell a few people. One disgruntled customer will climb to the highest mountaintop and scream his displeasure to all. I know which category I'm in.

Now where'd that BitTorrent client go.....

I know what you're saying, it's rather frustrating - the same thing happened to me with 10.1 when it came out, and that's in the days when the releases were comng fast and furious.

If you think about it, I'm not really sure what Apple could do differently with it - any up-to-date program is going to require a cut-off date, meaning there will always be people just on the other side of it. I suppose they could have a formula by which your price is determined by how long ago you bought the previous OS, but that wouldn't be reasonable

The other alternative for pricing would be an an upgrade, but since Apple attempts to keep their pricing simple (unlike Microsloth Winblows XtremelyPutrid Home/Professional Boxed/Retail/Upgrade/Discounted on a Tuesday/whatever), AND they control the hardware, it doesn't make any sense of separating it out. Someone wants 10.4? $149cdn, no matter what you had before. (And hey, Panther was $199cdn when it came out!)

Panther's a great OS though, I don't plan on upgrading for a while as my budget can't afford it either. Although the iLife/Tiger bundle is tempting... Try and look at the "glass-is-half-full" side of things, life will be much better in general!

And yeah, I agree - there seems to be a lot of people with WAY too much money on this forum

 

[iScream]

Assumed as much....

Yes, I did antipicate that VAT would figure in the higher mark-up price for Tiger in the UK. But, Apple (amongst other foreign companies) are fleecing the UK. Hence, UK iTunes downloads cost 20% more than in France or Germany. And that is why Apple are under investigation by the European Commission, and personally, hope that they get their arses kicked. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4309633.stm for more.

Now I like Apple, as much as the next guy on here, and recommend their products highly (could I do anything else ). But I will not defend them slavishly when they are pilfering from users because "they can".

BTW - thank you Matticus008 for your detailed reply!

 

[Baron58]

Actually, if you really want me to break into prescriptivism, this part:
"it is the preferred usage in most style guides; the Bibles of English writing."

should be:

"it is the preferred usage in most style guides, the bibles of English writing."

(Bible is capitalized only in reference to the Christian Bible [or at the beginning of a sentence, naturally], and the semicolon is inappropriate as the "bibles of English writing" is an epithet for "style guides.")

Edit: I probably should have allowed the original poster of those words to correct your corrections, but I did major in Linguistics (but sadly have an IT/IS job--being a graphics professional and sysadmin is cool, but not as cool as a linguist), so I couldn't let it go.

I considered both of those points when I did my editing of the OP, and decided on them for specific reasons.

First, the semicolon instead of the comma is acceptable in the British style (which is what I learned early on and has stuck with me), and it allowed for the clause to be included at the end of the sentance without over-use of commas. We're both right, I just chose a lesser-used (in the US) style.

Second, the capitalisation of 'Bibles' is correct where the word is used in an analogy. "While most eastern European cars were basic, cheap and unreliable transportation, the Tatra was the Cadillac of the Soviet bloc." "Due to their market dominance in the niche, Adobe could be considered the Microsoft of the graphic design and publishing markets."

In both those cases ("Cadilliac" and "Microsoft") the analogy is being made to something which is a proper noun. In the same vein, style guides are the Bibles of the English language. The capital 'B' implies 'the Christian Bible' as being part of the analogy here.

 

[HenMaster6000]

Two Questions:

What happens if you don't have one of the video cards that Core image supports?

Does Tiger include iLife?

 

[SiliconAddict]

Until now, harnessing the power of the GPU required in-depth knowledge of pixel-level programming. Core Image allows developers to easily leverage these programmable GPUs for blistering-fast image processing that can eliminate rendering time delays. Effects and transitions can be expressed with a few lines of code. Core Image handles the rest, optimizing the path to the GPU. The result is real-time, interactive responsiveness as you select and apply filters.


For computers without a programmable GPU, Core Image dynamically optimizes for the CPU, automatically tuning for Velocity Engine and multiple processors as appropriate.

Bull****. Do you actually think Apple didn’t know what the specs were for CI last fall? Or more accurately knew what the specs were when they decided on the mini's GPU? This is a god damn marketing game pure and simple. They intentionally crippled the mini so they can come out with another mini (Prob at WWDC.) that lo and behold supports core image.
"Oh sorry guys. I know you purchased that mini only 4 months ago. But you can upgrade to the latest and grestest mini now and get full support." What a load of crap. Someone pointed this out in a thread just prior to MW. I told them Apple would never pull this crap. Obviously I was giving Apple more credit for being a standup company that I should have been.

As for offloading. As I said in mt previous post. Anyone care to take bets on how freaking sluggish its going to be when its processed on the main CPU? I bet its going to look like crap.

I wouldn't be pissed if this product was release 8-12 months ago but for god sake it was release just under 4 months ago. This is supposedly the great integrator. This is SUPOSEDLY the company known for building their hardware around their software and they can't even do that on a product that was released 4 months prior to the release of a major OS and prob designed 7 months prior and the simple fact is it would have cost Apple next to nothing to put a better GPU in there. I'm not talking a GeForce 6800. Take the most bottom of the barrel GPU that supports ALL of Tiger’s features (Apple HAD a list on their freaking site last summer/fall.) and use it.
I'm going to be blunt about this: Apple is no better then Microsoft.

 

[Malbase]

Tiger 10.4

I just pre-ordered from Amazon.com
They are offering free shipping on this product.
As well, by pre-ordering you get a $35 rebate on the preordered product.
They are indicating a June delivery date, probably because the product is not out.
They did the same thing with Kasparov's series books on Chess with a preorder. But I received the book immediately as soon as was out.

 

[ManchesterTrix]

2. This is exponentially cheaper than any company backed server upgrade. A grand for an unlimited license upgrade? It's nothing, absolutely nothing. In the Microsoft world, think tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. OSX Server is the best deal in the market.

Well, until you realize that support or OSX Server is probably the worst enterprise support currently available. Not only is getting support that you paid for like pulling teeth, but the documentation available is pathetic at best.

Still, on the hardware side, I really do like all our Xserves.

 

[ManchesterTrix]

"Because we live in a WalMart culture, where millions of people buy heaps of crap every day and save $2 while doing it."

Yes, and because they're afraid of change, and lazy too boot: "I wanna save all my spam emails. Waa. Waa. I might have to learn something new. Waa. Waa."

In Animal House, the Dean prophetically observes: "Fat, stupid and ugly is no way to go through life."

Well, America, look in the mirror. Enjoy your mal-ware, chumps.

I know this might be hard for people to believe, but some people prefer Windows. They prefer it, they've used both, they've considered both, they picked Windows. Wow, a difference of opinion would've thought?

I know if I had the choice for what new computers we were putting into the high schools I support, I'd choose Windows. Why? Because between Ghost and Deep Freeze, it's much easier to support a large network of WinXP machines than it is OSX machines. Yep. Easier.

 

[Platform]

Two Questions:

What happens if you don't have one of the video cards that Core image supports?

Does Tiger include iLife?

Tiger will run on non core-image machines...all you will miss is some dashboard features and some other GPU effects

 

[ManchesterTrix]

I'm going to be blunt about this: Apple is no better then Microsoft.

What card should they have used then? Because all the ones I seet listed right now would have a bit of a heat problem in the mini, hell it'd have been a significant engineering hurdle to get even a 5200 Ultra to run properly in it. So you're looking at what? A mobile-video chipset? Oh yeah, that's going to help the price-point. Apple used what they felt was the most viable from an economic/engineering standpoint.

 

[SnarkMan]

I totally agree. This is the IT business, I guess people forgot the "old" saying that goes "your computer is outdated the second you take it out of the store." Technology is always progressing, where will you draw the line?

I saw Jon Stewart performing standup recently where he had a routine about buying a new "G4 Macintosh" to play games. He got a new game six months later, however, and his machine couldn't play it (I'm guessing that was Doom 3). He says he took the computer back to the Apple store and the clerks were "acting like I had brought in a Civil War musket. 'Woah, check out that computer, dood. I haven't seen one those since October! Wow, that's classic. You need a G5, man!'"

It's nice he's an Apple fan.

 

[Platform]

What card should they have used then? Because all the ones I seet listed right now would have a bit of a heat problem in the mini, hell it'd have been a significant engineering hurdle to get even a 5200 Ultra to run properly in it. So you're looking at what? A mobile-video chipset? Oh yeah, that's going to help the price-point. Apple used what they felt was the most viable from an economic/engineering standpoint.

Thank you......this is a very good post

 

[dont24]

In case you care, I get the cube effect switching users on an "ancient" single processor G4 500 with a Radeon 8500 AGP card (as well as on my iBook G4 1.25Ghz and a dual G4 500 with a similar card) - you just have to make sure that the users are on the same screen resolution, colors, and monitor sync rate (otherwise, it will just fade to black between users while the settings are changed)

here's one thing to note. I'm not getting the spinning cube when switching users on my mini. I'm currently running 1600x1200. If I drop the resolution, I get the cube effect.

 

[bpd115]

here's one thingh to note. I'm not getting the spinning cube when switching users on my mini. I'm currently running 1600x1200. If I drop the resolution, I get the cube effect.

Is the other desktop running 16x12 with the same refresh rate?