Tiger Available April 29th

[mk_in_mke]

64-bit processing will bring *absolutely nothing* to your *daily activities* I repeat, absolutely nothing. I believe AidenShaw was already kind enough to answer your question


Since the G5 is a 64-bit processor, it can surpass the 4 GB RAM limit imposed by 32-bit addressing. This is useful in Panther if and only if you are running a *multiple* RAM hungry applications at the same time, like Photoshop and Final Cut for example. Under Panther, one single app cannot use more than 4 GB of RAM. Under Tiger, this limitation is removed, allowing a single application to use more than 4 GB. But right now, this is only useful for a handful of command-line terminal applications, because regular windowed Cocoa or Carbon apps, which still run on non 64-bit processors, use 32-bit addressing.

So, in answer to your question, once again, 64 bits processing is *not* the "big picture." The only real benefits will be seen by supercomputing clusters of XServes, not the normal run-of-the-mill desktop mac user.

The only thing 64 bits does for the normal mac user is allows him to put more than 4 GB of RAM in his computer, and run lots of programs at the same time, nothing else. And this could be done under Panther.

Edit: I see I was beaten to it. And I also forgot to mention the part about massive amounts of virtual memory, too. 16 exabytes, wow, that's quite a bit. 16 billion (actually 16*1024^3) gigabytes.
Anything else to add to your original post AidenShaw?

So... Now we are back on track and can talk about system and not about EDU discount or whining about machines bought just before the announcement.

From what you are saying: Tiger is a major step for developers and for the rest of us, a bunch of niceties or enhancement to existing applications?

MIchel

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I could list the equipment I am using here I guess... It's trendy!
- Hard: Dual 2.5 G5 + 4 Gb Ram + 4x250 Gb HD's + 30" Display + 6800 DDL,
- Soft: Adobe Creative Suite CS, FCP 4.5, DVD SP 3, Motion 1, Painter IX, NI traktor DJ Studio, Combustion 3...

 

[daveL]

So... Now we are back on track and can talk about system and not about EDU discount or whining about machines bought just before the announcement.

From what you are saying: Tiger is a major step for developers and for the rest of us, a bunch of niceties or enhancement to existing applications?

MIchel

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I could list the equipment I am using here I guess... It's trendy!
- Hard: Dual 2.5 G5 + 4 Gb Ram + 4x250 Gb HD's + 30" Display + 6800 DDL,
- Soft: Adobe Creative Suite CS, FCP 4.5, DVD SP 3, Motion 1, Painter IX, NI traktor DJ Studio, Combustion 3...

Well, if you don't like widgets and whatnot, how about 80% faster page rendering in Safari? Tiger is faster, as Panther was, and particularly for G5 systems. Better SMP support? Updated FreeBSD/Mach kernel? I guess, at the end of the day, it depends on what you're looking for. Tiger is a no-brainer, for me, but hey, who says I have a brain?

 

[MontyZ]

I know I am going to be an AppleFanBoy® when I say this, but I just don't get why the masses don't make the switch. Companies, I get, it's about cheap. But why would someone risk their personal files and deny themselves all the fun technology can provide.

Because we live in a WalMart culture, where millions of people buy heaps of crap every day and save $2 while doing it.

 

[MontyZ]

Already in line!

I'm already in line here at the Apple store in Soho (NYC), awaiting the release ... I mean the unleashing ... of OSX Tiger! I know that only weird people do this for Star Wars movies, but, I think it's time an operating system get the same kind of devotion as a Wookie and kooky space creatures.

Thankfully the wireless connection in the Apple Store works out here on the sidewalk. I just wish people would stop throwing their spare change at me. I mean, don't they realize that a homeless person could never afford an Apple iBook??? HELLLOOOO!!

 

[gatorron]

Fear of change

"Because we live in a WalMart culture, where millions of people buy heaps of crap every day and save $2 while doing it."

Yes, and because they're afraid of change, and lazy too boot: "I wanna save all my spam emails. Waa. Waa. I might have to learn something new. Waa. Waa."

In Animal House, the Dean prophetically observes: "Fat, stupid and ugly is no way to go through life."

Well, America, look in the mirror. Enjoy your mal-ware, chumps.

 

[QFace]

Wow! very harsh and probably undeserved. I am sure nothing was meant by the original poster. "Guys" is often simply a non-descript and easier way to write "the men and women", or just "people" generally. Probably not to Politically Correct, but we're on a forum where people don't spend days pondering the ramifications of every word in their post.

BTW, the original post made me laugh in the middle of a uni lecture

My post was a joke as well... I'm very anti-pc

 

[AppleAce]

So... Now we are back on track and can talk about system and not about EDU discount or whining about machines bought just before the announcement.

From what you are saying: Tiger is a major step for developers and for the rest of us, a bunch of niceties or enhancement to existing applications?

Not neccessarily. It's just that right now, 64-bit addressing only really benefits developers and power users. In time, the benefits of 64-bit will trickle down to us normal desktop users.
But there are going to be a bunch of other great features & improvements in Tiger, improved graphics, coreimage/video/audio, faster Safari, improved overall OS speed, lots of under the hood Unix improvements, etc., etc. etc.

 

[iMeowbot]

The box won't have stripes?

Waaaaaaaaah!

 

[Apple Dabbler]

PISSED!

NO iLIFE '05 built into Tiger??? I love Apple but right now they are really pissing me off. I've been waiting months to buy iLife '05 to save myself $79 bucks. Freak. Now all of the sudden my needs will cost more than double. Oh, I'll still buy Tiger and iLife '05, but I will be VERY upset when I do. Stupid Apple.

I wonder if in a couple months Steve will bundle the two together like they are supposed to be??

 

[Jovian9]

Yay! *does the happy panda dance more*

I guess mines already ordered since I'm a student developer... wheeee!

I'm hoping for the same. I may have to call tomorrow just to be sure and find out when to expect it

Also, does the video card in the iMac G5 support the core video requirements? Sorry, I have dial-up and am too lazy to look it up

 

[iNatalia]

I'm already in line here at the Apple store in Soho (NYC), awaiting the release ... I mean the unleashing ... of OSX Tiger! I know that only weird people do this for Star Wars movies, but, I think it's time an operating system get the same kind of devotion as a Wookie and kooky space creatures.

Thankfully the wireless connection in the Apple Store works out here on the sidewalk. I just wish people would stop throwing their spare change at me. I mean, don't they realize that a homeless person could never afford an Apple iBook??? HELLLOOOO!!

thanks for a good laugh!

 

[skythefly13]

Up-To-Date Program....

Does anyone Know about the Up-to-date program for Tiger? I will be buying my Powerbook soon, and I will likely get it before tiger is "unleashed" (RAR RAR). How could I order the OS for the 9.95 price online (Apple Store). Some guy on the phone said you get a registration code or something? What do you guys think?

Thanks!


THANK YOU STEVE JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ReanimationLP]

Anyone see a way to order it on CD-ROM?? My poor iBook G3 doesn't have a DVD drive. Gonna get a DVD copy for my Mini though.

http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/tigermediaexchange.pdf

Here you go. Its 10 bucks extra. xx.

I gotta find me 129, and a ride to Towson. I'm gonna whore myself out if I have to, must go, must buy.

 

[bankshot]

Does anyone Know about the Up-to-date program for Tiger?

All your questions are answered here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

 

[Jovian9]

I've bought several Macs per year for years and they expect me to pay for another OS! Those a..hol.s!!!!! Da..it!!!! (lots and lots of sarcasm here)

If you buy today, you do not get tomorrow. Seriously!!!! How difficult of a concept is this to understand.

Honda had better hook me up with a 2005 Civic b/c my wife and I bought a '99 Civic new and though we knew that eventually a 2005 Civic would come out, we went ahead and bought the '99. Now it's 2005 and the 2005 Civic is out, so I expect Honda to give me a new Civic b/c I paid money for one in '99 and the 2005 Civic is better and not out-dated, so they had better give it to me or I'm going to complain until the cows come home.

 

[ReanimationLP]

Make sure your hardware can run Mac OS X Version 10.4 Tiger

Mac OS X Version 10.4 requires a Macintosh with:

PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
Built-in FireWire
At least 256MB of physical RAM
A built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer
At least 3.0 GB of available space on your hard drive; 4GB of disk space if you install XCode 2 developer tools

And yet it doesnt support any of the Powerbook G3s, including the Pismo, which has built in Firewire. Funny how it doesnt mention that it doesnt support ALL slot-loading iMacs either, as the 350MHz models never had FW.

I'm gonna be selling a ton of stuff on Feebay shortly, so I can go to Towson, get Tiger and hopefully an iPod Photo ^^

 

[bankshot]

I wonder if in a couple months Steve will bundle the two together like they are supposed to be??

As many others have already said, iLife hasn't been bundled with Mac OS X in awhile. They are separate products which both happen to come with all new computers.

That said, there is a bundle deal going on right now, which can can save you $38. Go to the Apple Store, look under Tiger Center and click on iLife+iWork Savings. I'd paste a link, but Apple Store links always time out. You get Tiger + iLife + iWork for $249. Deal ends May 31.

 

[bit density]

Hello, Kettle? Pot here...

Before you get all high-and-mighty about your 'correct form', I suggest you read one of the many style guides. At the very least, read 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves' so that you have some clue about how to punctuate in English. Let's rewrite your tirade properly:

Not only is "do's" a perfectly legal plural of "do" (check your dictionary), it is the preferred usage in most style guides; the Bibles of English writing. You're going to just be very pissed off if you find the consensus correct form to be annoying. I suggest one of the many brands of decaffeinated coffees.​

(Excessive commas & periods removed as well.)

I was torn as to whether to hyphenate "consensus correct", but decided that, as a phrase, it worked equally poorly both ways.

LOL. Though after attempting to follow the argument, you attempt to state that my poor written form, is somehow the same to complaining about imaginary incorrect form. At least that is what I believe the whole pot-kettle thing is about.

I don't see it that way, but oh well. I will be the first to admit that I often need editting, especially on-line. I was not in fact attempting a grammer flame. But was responding to one. I know the difference. Do you?

 

[SAukland]

NO iLIFE '05 built into Tiger??? I love Apple but right now they are really pissing me off. I've been waiting months to buy iLife '05 to save myself $79 bucks. Freak. Now all of the sudden my needs will cost more than double. Oh, I'll still buy Tiger and iLife '05, but I will be VERY upset when I do. Stupid Apple.

I wonder if in a couple months Steve will bundle the two together like they are supposed to be??

They're supposed to be bundled?
Where have you been? You buy an operating system upgrade, you get one.
You buy a media package upgrade, you get it.
You buy a computer, and it is bundled with an OS and media applications.

I never saw iPhoto 5 or iMove HD as features of Tiger, listed alongside Spotlight and Dashboard.

Kill your source.

 

[MacTRUTH]

Where to buy it?

I, like the rest of you, can't wait for the release!

One question, where should I buy my copy of Tiger? There are many options of course, some of which are detailed on randomtruth(dot)blogspot(dot)com. Leave a comment there and you may win a free copy of Tiger!

Spotlight and Automator seem like the best new features.

 

[SAukland]

Inkwell?

Did anyone notice the new Inkwell feature?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/inkwell/

I haven't seen it openly reported on, and its not on the main feature list. I only found it on the overview page. And Steve never mentioned it at the Keynote.

It seems pretty significant... as it is a completely new input interface... using pen tablets and having built in OS X support for handwriting recognition...

 

[Wardofsky]

Waaaaaaaaah!

Yeah it sort of lets down the whole big cat theme doesn't it...
But still the box looks pretty sleek and stylish...

 

[DJ LUCiTE]

As has been reported, there is a list of cards that support Core Image listed at: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/ . I have been waiting to buy a my first mac, the mac mini until tiger was announced so that I could get the up-to-date program. I now see that the video card the mini ships with, the ATI Radeon 9200 is not listed as able to handle Core Image. Is this correct? I could be stupid, but is Apple marketing a new OS, part of which cant be handled by their new hot product? PLEASE HELP, I WANT TO ORDER MY MINI, but I want to make sure I should. I know there has been rumors of a mini upgrade, but nothing definite, so what should I do.

AFAIK Core Image isn't going to be used a lot anyway, only in video/photo editing software...I think Quartz is still going to handle onscreen "live" VFX...but I could be wrong. Either way, if Core Image isn't supported by the GPU, then it falls back to the CPU. It's actually smart, in that if, for example, you have a Dual Proc 2.5 GHz G5, and a GeForce 5200...if the CPUs are more powerful it will "fallback" automatically to whichever's the fastest.

 

[matticus008]

Is there some way I can save the current backdrop in Panther? I don't want to say goodbye to it forever.

Not to worry, it will probably still be there after the upgrade (the Jaguar backgrounds are still in Panther). If, for some reason, it's not included, it is all over the internet. You can download a copy in seconds.

 

[matticus008]

Hello, Kettle? Pot here...

Before you get all high-and-mighty about your 'correct form', I suggest you read one of the many style guides. At the very least, read 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves' so that you have some clue about how to punctuate in English. Let's rewrite your tirade properly:

Not only is "do's" a perfectly legal plural of "do" (check your dictionary), it is the preferred usage in most style guides; the Bibles of English writing. You're going to just be very pissed off if you find the consensus correct form to be annoying. I suggest one of the many brands of decaffeinated coffees.​

(Excessive commas & periods removed as well.)

I was torn as to whether to hyphenate "consensus correct", but decided that, as a phrase, it worked equally poorly both ways.

Actually, if you really want me to break into prescriptivism, this part:
"it is the preferred usage in most style guides; the Bibles of English writing."

should be:

"it is the preferred usage in most style guides, the bibles of English writing."

(Bible is capitalized only in reference to the Christian Bible [or at the beginning of a sentence, naturally], and the semicolon is inappropriate as the "bibles of English writing" is an epithet for "style guides.")

Edit: I probably should have allowed the original poster of those words to correct your corrections, but I did major in Linguistics (but sadly have an IT/IS job--being a graphics professional and sysadmin is cool, but not as cool as a linguist), so I couldn't let it go.