Quit the yelling.Apple Dabbler said:
The newest version of iLife has never been included with an OS Update..
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Tiger Available April 29th
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The newest version of iLife has never been included with an OS Update..
bpd115 said:
I don't know why this isn't something that everyone is excited about. I think one of the #1 complaints about OSX's UI is along the lines of window resizing and other necessary 2D operations, and from what I understand, this should help address that.
This seems to be one of the best additions (and most needed ones) for our everyday work.
Now, I wonder if it will help address the high CPU usage while typing that a lot of us see? Anyone know if it is the rendering path that causes this, or just the antialiasing algorithm?
Jim
IanC said:
No I sound like someone who is equally as pissed at MS for playing games as Apple. Trust me on this I have no love for MS in ANY way shape or form. I deal with their craptastic OS day in and day out at work. I support it...do you think I enjoy playing can-we-patch-all-the-machines-before-the-next-round-of-patches-is-released?
I'm just saying that Apple plays the same blasted games that MS does and as such they are no better then MS in the end.
kd0tc0m said:Tiger has now been "spotted"... yip-ee!
1. iTunes Version 4.8 or 5.0?
2. If you have purchased a MacMini - will you get a free upgrade? For the folks they "converted" I would think this would be a very SMART move. No need to piss off the new comers to the Apple Community right off the bat.
3. Widgets - who can make them? Where can I get information on how to build my own Widget?
4. And, of course, I'll shut up about Hardware. I'll just wait for NAB before I start questioning "HD" products.
1. There is not a newer seed of iTunes available.
2. We've beaten this issue to death on this thread.
3. That's the sweet part. Anyone! One it goes public there will likely be excellent docs on how to do this. ADC members already can get it. As Steve mentioned, it's just webkit. So a little HTML here, a little CSS there, some JavaScript in a nice package and away you go. THIS is probably the single biggest new "market" for small third party developers. You are gonna see some sweet ass widgets that do some neat things. And, as always, a whole lot of crap.
aranhamo said:
I will admit that I was wrong. Kept saying that Apple would follow its prior releases on the 24th. So my prediction was an announcement at WWDC. With the release date June 24th. Then my wife & I bought in to 15th release date. Had even made plans. Now the 29th date is going to cause a problem for us. Somehow we will manage.
here
I found this system comparison by Apple very interesting:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/compare.html
Check it out!
I found this system comparison by Apple very interesting:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/compare.html
Check it out!
Typo
Noticed the typo on Apple's new security (in Tiger) page:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/security/ ?
It says 'erronious data' rather than 'erroneous data'. Thought that was kind of funny
Noticed the typo on Apple's new security (in Tiger) page:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/security/ ?
It says 'erronious data' rather than 'erroneous data'. Thought that was kind of funny
SiliconAddict said:
Bottom line:
Apple is a business just like Microsoft.
A business can't please 100% of its customers.
Microsoft and Apple may play similar "games" but they are not similar, as you probably know since you use both OS's.
You are only a victim once.
Fishes,
narco.
Korn ShellSunrunner said:
SWEET! There's a lot of new stuff eh? Tiger should be well worth the money. I was not convinced at first.
Does anyone Know?
Does anyone know what the GM build number is for this release of Tiger? Is it more recent than the April fools day GM build?
Also as far as mini owners go, I sort of agree with Silicon Addict.
When Apple first announced the Mini, almost everyone on this board thought Apple goofed on; ram, gpu, and hard disk speed. Most of us felt that Apple should have upped those specs a little so that the mini would fully support Tiger when it was released before June 30th.
They could have made those improvements with only a modest price and form factor increase. I think there will be some disgruntled switchers when they realize that their brand new mini will not fully support Apple's brand new OS. Also what is going to happen now. Is Apple going to update the Mini very soon so that it at least sports the minimum GPU card and ram to fully use Core Image?
Does anyone know what the GM build number is for this release of Tiger? Is it more recent than the April fools day GM build?
Also as far as mini owners go, I sort of agree with Silicon Addict.
When Apple first announced the Mini, almost everyone on this board thought Apple goofed on; ram, gpu, and hard disk speed. Most of us felt that Apple should have upped those specs a little so that the mini would fully support Tiger when it was released before June 30th.
They could have made those improvements with only a modest price and form factor increase. I think there will be some disgruntled switchers when they realize that their brand new mini will not fully support Apple's brand new OS. Also what is going to happen now. Is Apple going to update the Mini very soon so that it at least sports the minimum GPU card and ram to fully use Core Image?
digitalbiker said:Does anyone know what the GM build number is for this release of Tiger? Is it more recent than the April fools day GM build?
Also as far as mini owners go, I sort of agree with Silicon Addict.
When Apple first announced the Mini, almost everyone on this board thought Apple goofed on; ram, gpu, and hard disk speed. Most of us felt that Apple should have upped those specs a little so that the mini would fully support Tiger when it was released before June 30th.
They could have made those improvements with only a modest price and form factor increase. I think there will be some disgruntled switchers when they realize that their brand new mini will not fully support Apple's brand new OS. Also what is going to happen now. Is Apple going to update the Mini very soon so that it at least sports the minimum GPU card and ram to fully use Core Image?
Until someone with a Mini and Tiger reports back with what is and is not supported this is all speculation. We don't know how much core image is supported via the radeon 9200. It's not like Tiger will be broke on a mini.
TIGER PREINSTALLED ON HARDWARE
Sorry if this has already been addressed in the post guys, (its getting very long!) or I'm acting a total prat, but will hardware start shipping with Tiger preinstalled straight away on the 29th release date? Or is there a slightly longer period to wait? Or do Apple have some strange policy to decide this??
I guess we may find out next week at NAB but I'm wondering if Apple will make descreet, almost unannounced minor tweaks to all its hardware to ensure better compatibility with Tiger, (such as minis or ibooks etc), not just CoreImage!, things that perhaps havnt been mentioned yet here, tiny under the hood tweaks just to make things smoother with Tiger. I dunno. Might be nice, just for peace of mind really I guess!!
Can't wait for Tiger release now...I'm waiting to buy a powerbook 12" when it comes preinstalled!
Sorry if this has already been addressed in the post guys, (its getting very long!) or I'm acting a total prat, but will hardware start shipping with Tiger preinstalled straight away on the 29th release date? Or is there a slightly longer period to wait? Or do Apple have some strange policy to decide this??
I guess we may find out next week at NAB but I'm wondering if Apple will make descreet, almost unannounced minor tweaks to all its hardware to ensure better compatibility with Tiger, (such as minis or ibooks etc), not just CoreImage!, things that perhaps havnt been mentioned yet here, tiny under the hood tweaks just to make things smoother with Tiger. I dunno. Might be nice, just for peace of mind really I guess!!
Can't wait for Tiger release now...I'm waiting to buy a powerbook 12" when it comes preinstalled!
No, the British style allows for clauses to be included that way, but unfortunately, "the bibles of English writing" is a not a clause. It's a phrase. All English styles allow the use of semicolons to alleviate comma confusion (mainly in lists), but you cannot arbitrarily insert semicolons and should NEVER split any noun or verb phrase from its modifiers. What you did in that sentence is a semicolon-splice.Baron58 said:
No, the word "bible" is also used to mean "handbook." The reference here is not to the Christian Bible, but to a handbook. In your example, you are capitalizing proper names for companies, which is proper. "Bible" is not always a proper noun, and in fact is never a proper noun with the exception of "the" Bible and references to it. So that's not really the same vein at all.
Will lower end systems with slower GPU's and small video ram run out a lot quicker and bring the graphical stuttering?
There is a dude on another forum who thinks where're all gullible and being taken for a ride by Apple.
"really, liking OSX is one thing, being gullible enough to fork out £90 for the update is another."
http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=201449&page=5
There is a dude on another forum who thinks where're all gullible and being taken for a ride by Apple.
"really, liking OSX is one thing, being gullible enough to fork out £90 for the update is another."
http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=201449&page=5
uncle_sam_ie said:
Not sure how smooth all the graphical bits of the OS will be (not talking about software here) but I imagine not "that bad" on some! (helpful! lol!)
Tiger is supposed to make even much older systems seem quite faster as a whole though, graphically or not, system performance should be improved.
I think the general rule of thumb would be that, as far as UI goes, Tiger should be as fast or a little faster than what you see in Panther. Wouldn't be much of a "step up" if it was otherwise. Now as far as heavier graphics stuff goes, if it stuttered in Panther, I don't think that Tiger will miraculously make it faster.uncle_sam_ie said:
Jim
That's all well and good, but the 9200 family shares the same GPU. So as long as the 9200 uses the same Radeon GPU, and that GPU is programmable, you have eligibility for CoreImage (note that this does NOT mean it will be supported for sure, just that it can be supported). The GPU is what defines the level of DirectX compliance. If a card is listed as DirectX 8.1 compliant, that means that it's pretty damn unlikely that it has a programmable CPU (that is a requirement for DirectX 9 capability and the key requirement for CoreImage support).Peace said:The 9200 you are refering to is a PC card NOT the 9200 Mac Edition
They are different cards for obvious reasons
The PC version refers to DX 8.1 because it utilizes MS DirectX.Macs don't use DirectX.
So, when someone says a DirectX 9-capable card, it's not a foreign term to apply. Graphics cards are advertised based on DX support, and CoreImage requires a DirectX 9 level card--but of course it doesn't USE DirectX at all. However, if you don't have GPU-level support for CoreImage, it will be done on the CPU, so you're not missing out. You just have less than ideal performance. Like running Tiger on a 1.2GHz system versus a 2.5GHz, one's faster, but both are excellent.
question
This may have been answered, but it takes quite a while to get through this whole thread....
When I received my new PB, it came with what look like "upgrade coupons." Are those going to get me a discount at all on tiger, or should I just go for the edu discount? I can't find any info on that anywhere. It may be because I'm stupid, but momma told me not to believe that.
This may have been answered, but it takes quite a while to get through this whole thread....
When I received my new PB, it came with what look like "upgrade coupons." Are those going to get me a discount at all on tiger, or should I just go for the edu discount? I can't find any info on that anywhere. It may be because I'm stupid, but momma told me not to believe that.
iLife & Tiger??
Really?? I read the included software list and it just said iTunes 4.7.1. Unless I've missed something or looked in totally the wrong place!! (which to be honest is possible!!) As I understand it iLife wont come with Tiger by default. You can buy a special package deal from Apple to get Tiger AND iLife 05 AND iWorks for a reduced rate. Quite a saving if I remember someones post. Why would Apple do this if iLife is with it anyway? Unless you meant hardware. Yes iLife is included with all new hardware. Sorry if this seems a little attack at ya, not meant to be!!..just a tad confused...please correct me if im wrong!!!! (you dont get many of those invitations now do ya!!!)
bosrs1 said:
Really?? I read the included software list and it just said iTunes 4.7.1. Unless I've missed something or looked in totally the wrong place!! (which to be honest is possible!!) As I understand it iLife wont come with Tiger by default. You can buy a special package deal from Apple to get Tiger AND iLife 05 AND iWorks for a reduced rate. Quite a saving if I remember someones post. Why would Apple do this if iLife is with it anyway? Unless you meant hardware. Yes iLife is included with all new hardware. Sorry if this seems a little attack at ya, not meant to be!!..just a tad confused...please correct me if im wrong!!!! (you dont get many of those invitations now do ya!!!)
bosrs1 said:
No it's not. iLife (the package) has never been included with OS X, and it isn't now. Check Apple's site. Tiger includes only iTunes, and they even have a package deal where you can buy iLife 05 together with Tiger for a discount. It is not a part of Tiger any more than iWork. If you already own iLife 04 or 05, you can continue using it with Tiger, to be sure. You can probably even install the old versions of iPhoto and iMovie from the Panther discs if you want them.
EDIT: beaten to the punch by Jim.
core image
Okay lets see if we can get this straight about core image
Core image, as the name implies, is built into the kernel of the OS. Apple includes a number of core image filters (image units) that are easily accessible via API's for developers to use in their apps. According to Apple, most developers will never need to venture much further than API calls to these built-in filters, but, thanks to core image's extensibility, they can develop their own custom filters should the need arise. I'm sure Apple would be thrilled if Adobe develops the next version of Photoshop to use core image filters, because performance-wise it would blow away Photoshop on other platform. More on that in a second...
It's important to understand the difference between quartz extreme and core image. Quartz extreme, which makes heavy use of open GL, required a compatible graphics card. It wasn't merely an option to "boost" quartz extreme performance, if you didn't have a compatible card, you didn't get quartz extreme. Period. There wasn't a software fallback in any layer of the OS to enable quartz extreme without the required graphics card hardware. That's fundamentally different than core image, which dynamically optimizes itself for whatever hardware is present on your machine. Sure, you'll see the best performance in some cases (but not all if core image determines the CPU can better optimize performance) with a pixel programmable card, but every tiger compatible machine (including the poor mac mini) will see a benefit, just as every Panther compatible machine saw a benefit from apps that utilized core audio and audio units - because of its integration into the kernel of the OS.
Back to the Photoshop example. If Adobe releases a core image enhanced version of Photoshop on May 10th, every Tiger compatible machine would see a performance increase from the older Panther version of Photoshop, including the poor mac mini. Because core image in Tiger optimizes how applications can process image filters in a way that wasn't possible on Panther, or any other OS for that matter. Of course, a G5 with a pixel programmable graphics card will scream, but that doesn't mean that the poor mac mini is left out. On the contrary, it will see a performance boost as well, commensurate with its hardware set. Core image technology is like a rising tide that will lift all Tiger compatible machines.
Okay lets see if we can get this straight about core image
Core image, as the name implies, is built into the kernel of the OS. Apple includes a number of core image filters (image units) that are easily accessible via API's for developers to use in their apps. According to Apple, most developers will never need to venture much further than API calls to these built-in filters, but, thanks to core image's extensibility, they can develop their own custom filters should the need arise. I'm sure Apple would be thrilled if Adobe develops the next version of Photoshop to use core image filters, because performance-wise it would blow away Photoshop on other platform. More on that in a second...
It's important to understand the difference between quartz extreme and core image. Quartz extreme, which makes heavy use of open GL, required a compatible graphics card. It wasn't merely an option to "boost" quartz extreme performance, if you didn't have a compatible card, you didn't get quartz extreme. Period. There wasn't a software fallback in any layer of the OS to enable quartz extreme without the required graphics card hardware. That's fundamentally different than core image, which dynamically optimizes itself for whatever hardware is present on your machine. Sure, you'll see the best performance in some cases (but not all if core image determines the CPU can better optimize performance) with a pixel programmable card, but every tiger compatible machine (including the poor mac mini) will see a benefit, just as every Panther compatible machine saw a benefit from apps that utilized core audio and audio units - because of its integration into the kernel of the OS.
Back to the Photoshop example. If Adobe releases a core image enhanced version of Photoshop on May 10th, every Tiger compatible machine would see a performance increase from the older Panther version of Photoshop, including the poor mac mini. Because core image in Tiger optimizes how applications can process image filters in a way that wasn't possible on Panther, or any other OS for that matter. Of course, a G5 with a pixel programmable graphics card will scream, but that doesn't mean that the poor mac mini is left out. On the contrary, it will see a performance boost as well, commensurate with its hardware set. Core image technology is like a rising tide that will lift all Tiger compatible machines.