Tiger Available April 29th

[matticus008]

Well, what I mean is usually Apple throws in a few iLife apps in for free. They did iMovie, iPhoto, and iTunes in Panther. They did iTunes and iMovie in 10.1. I'm not sure about Jaguar. I think 10.0 came with iTunes. I'm pretty sure iTunes came even with Mac OS 9 and iMovie may have come with iMovie as well.

(PS: I haven't used Mac OS 9, Mac OS 10.0, or Mac OS 10.2. I am creating educated guesses on what Apple included. If I'm wrong, don't be shocked.)

Here's the thing. Apple has never included any version of iLife with the OS. iLife 04 was the first release of the iLife suite, and you had to buy it to receive the upgraded versions of the applications (except iTunes). iMovie and iMovie 2 were free before iLife existed. iPhoto 3 was free, again before iLife existed. That's why they were included with the OS. Starting with iLife 04, iMovie and iPhoto became part of a retail suite, and the only free application was iTunes. This has continued with iLife 05. Therefore, Tiger includes the only free application sold as part of iLife: iTunes. For everything else, you have to buy/own iLife or use the pre-iLife versions of iPhoto and iMovie if you can find them.

The reason Apple has no incentive to do so is that everyone who has purchased a new computer in the past year and a half or so has iLife. Most people who haven't bought a new computer bought iLife. The only people without iLife are people with older Macs or who have no interest in the suite or do so little that the old versions are adequate. If they're using the old versions, they will continue to do so.

 

[840quadra]

My PowerMac G5 came with iLife 05 preinstalled. Is there any way I can use my restore disks to install iLife, or will I need to repurchase it?

odd..

I just ordered and recieved a PM G5. I have both a restore DVD, and an iLife05 DVD.

Did you only get 1 Restore disk?

 

[ensee]

I've preordered Tiger and so I'll be getting that online seminar thing - will they be broadcasting it in H.264? It's just that every time they've shown it off in action we've been watching it in QuickTime 6 which doesn't truly show what it can do.

Also, sticking with QuickTime 7, will Apple's movie trailer site be updated with the shiny new codec when Tiger is released?

One last thing; since I bought iWork earlier this year I've changed all of my essays, summary notes and projects from school into Pages and Keynote 2 files: does Spotlight search them? It's just that I don't remember seeing it in the list of supported files but, then again, I wasn't looking that hard.

 

[Platform]

I've preordered Tiger and so I'll be getting that online seminar thing - will they be broadcasting it in H.264? It's just that every time they've shown it off in action we've been watching it in QuickTime 6 which doesn't truly show what it can do.

Also, sticking with QuickTime 7, will Apple's movie trailer site be updated with the shiny new codec when Tiger is released?

One last thing; since I bought iWork earlier this year I've changed all of my essays, summary notes and projects from school into Pages and Keynote 2 files: does Spotlight search them? It's just that I don't remember seeing it in the list of supported files but, then again, I wasn't looking that hard.

Would be nice if it came in QT 7 as H.264

 

[jim.]

One last thing; since I bought iWork earlier this year I've changed all of my essays, summary notes and projects from school into Pages and Keynote 2 files: does Spotlight search them? It's just that I don't remember seeing it in the list of supported files but, then again, I wasn't looking that hard.

On the Technology Sheet it says that both Pages and Keynote documents are supported.

Jim

 

[gotohamish]

core image

In regards to the Core Image debate.

I think I need a new card, but I'm going to wait and see. I have a single 1.33 G4 with a Radeon 8500 (64MB).

Apple's page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/) states

"Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL"

Now, it's says include. That's might not be all of them. We'll have to wait and see. How we'll be able to tell is another thing altogether.

Also - can someone explain to me in lay mans terms, why I'd need this. I'm not a heavy gamers, but I do heavy still graphics in Photoshop and a little digital video editing. I'd appreciate it.

 

[ManchesterTrix]

My understanding, and it could be wrong so grain of salt and all that, is that Core Image takes advantage of the same hardware that DirectX9 does, so any card labeled as DirectX9 compatible would also be Core Image compatible. If that is true, then the list that is on Apple's site now is not complete, but even so, The 8500 is not DX9 compatible, so I doubt it'll be Core Image compatible. That said, I don't know how much Core Image would do for you right now especially as Photoshop currently will not take advantage of it.

 

[Advance The Man]

10% discount on April 29th at Apple Stores?

Have the Apple stores offered 10% off on previous releases? And do you mean a discount on hardware as well?

Now to wonder if Steve will also have the 10% discount available.

 

[gotohamish]

My understanding, and it could be wrong so grain of salt and all that, is that Core Image takes advantage of the same hardware that DirectX9 does, so any card labeled as DirectX9 compatible would also be Core Image compatible. If that is true, then the list that is on Apple's site now is not complete, but even so, The 8500 is not DX9 compatible, so I doubt it'll be Core Image compatible. That said, I don't know how much Core Image would do for you right now especially as Photoshop currently will not take advantage of it.

Thanks for the info - if anyone else knows more, please chime in!

All the best
H

 

[jim.]

Thanks for the info - if anyone else knows more, please chime in!

All the best
H

I think most of us are now exhausted from CoreImage, because we have argued over it for ... what ... the last 10 pages? I bet if you read some of those posts, you'll have all the answers you could ever need.

Jim

 

[gotohamish]

I think most of us are now exhausted from CoreImage, because we have argued over it for ... what ... the last 10 pages? I bet if you read some of those posts, you'll have all the answers you could ever need.

Jim

Thanks, but I asked because I didn't really see an answer. My apologies if I missed something.

 

[wdlove]

Have the Apple stores offered 10% off on previous releases? And do you mean a discount on hardware as well?

Yes, the 10% discount was offered at the Panther release party. There was something similar for Jaguar also. With the purchase of Panther, you received a 10% discount on the purchase of hardware and software. We took advantage of the discount.

 

[Advance The Man]

I'm actually not interested in purchasing Tiger separately. This would be a hardware purchase with Apple including Tiger with my purchase.

If this was a guarantee, I would definitely wait and join the zoo at the local Apple store! I'm assuming no one knows if the 10% will actually be offered on the 29th?

Yes, the 10% discount was offered at the Panther release party. There was something similar for Jaguar also. With the purchase of Panther, you received a 10% discount on the purchase of hardware and software. We took advantage of the discount.

 

[wdlove]

I'm actually not interested in purchasing Tiger separately. This would be a hardware purchase with Apple including Tiger with my purchase.

If this was a guarantee, I would definitely wait and join the zoo at the local Apple store! I'm assuming no one knows if the 10% will actually be offered on the 29th?

There is no guarantee in life. It has been offered before, so IMHO it is very likely. I already have more than one Mac, so I also will need to purchase Tiger separately. Already have plans to use the discount, so yes I'm waiting.

 

[dmarkman]

to whom in may concern

there is a possibility to exchange DVD to CDs for Tiger installation

http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/tigermediaexchange.pdf

 

[applemax]

CALLING ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE ORDERED TIGER ON APPLE STORE ONLINE / PHONE

My email was down when I bought it online, i fixed the email next day. I received an order acknowledgement and thats it. no seminar link. Can you guys help me 'cause no one at apple support in the uk know.

 

[avah12]

Seminar Email

CALLING ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE ORDERED TIGER ON APPLE STORE ONLINE / PHONE

My email was down when I bought it online, i fixed the email next day. I received an order acknowledgement and thats it. no seminar link. Can you guys help me 'cause no one at apple support in the uk know.

I am in the US and ordered (education, but you still get the seminar) on the day it was announced and I have no email regarding the seminar. My hope is that they are sending them out closer to when the seminar is, at the the end of the month.

 

[applemax]

thanx


needed2know

 

[spishack]

Serminar

Seminar link will be sent April 29.

 

[dpclark]

Seminar link will be sent April 29.

just like it says if you read the info on apple.com.....

 

[beu]

No, actually, your statement is completely false.

is kinda false, ilife does not come as part of the OS but it does come when you buy a new computer (look in apple's website) I got a new PB on february and it came with ilife05 installed, but it's not part of panther or tiger.

i think many people are confused by this since ilife05 comes installed on a new computer already, but i dont think it will come when tiger arrives on a new computer.

 

[daveL]

is kinda false, ilife does not come as part of the OS but it does come when you buy a new computer (look in apple's website) I got a new PB on february and it came with ilife05 installed, but it's not part of panther or tiger.

i think many people are confused by this since ilife05 comes installed on a new computer already, but i dont think it will come when tiger arrives on a new computer.

In short, iLife is bundled with new hardware; it is not part of OS X.

 

[iMacZealot]

Here's the thing. Apple has never included any version of iLife with the OS. iLife 04 was the first release of the iLife suite, and you had to buy it to receive the upgraded versions of the applications (except iTunes). iMovie and iMovie 2 were free before iLife existed. iPhoto 3 was free, again before iLife existed. That's why they were included with the OS. Starting with iLife 04, iMovie and iPhoto became part of a retail suite, and the only free application was iTunes. This has continued with iLife 05. Therefore, Tiger includes the only free application sold as part of iLife: iTunes. For everything else, you have to buy/own iLife or use the pre-iLife versions of iPhoto and iMovie if you can find them.

The reason Apple has no incentive to do so is that everyone who has purchased a new computer in the past year and a half or so has iLife. Most people who haven't bought a new computer bought iLife. The only people without iLife are people with older Macs or who have no interest in the suite or do so little that the old versions are adequate. If they're using the old versions, they will continue to do so.

Well, my point is that I would have thought Apple would have put in something. That could have meant iMovie 3 and iPhoto 2. (By the way, to my knowledge, iPhoto 3 never existed.) What is mean is Apple should have supplied something for the "older" Macs. For example, let's say you have a late G3 iMac in great condition. All you ever used on it was Mac OS 9. Perhaps that person would like some newer versions of iMovie and iPhoto. (Now, I know that a G3 won't really perform well with Tiger, but let's say it's 700 MHz and 512 MB RAM.) Not everybody just bought a new Mac. In your opinion, I have an "old" Mac, but I feel lucky just to have one. Sure, it's seen MUCH better days, (my sister accidentally dropped her necklace down it) but I'm glad just to be a Mac user. I'm doing the best job I can to make it feel new by running Panther. No way am I going to buy Tiger. That would be a waste of $129 which I could put towards a new iMac. Anyways, I do a lot with my iLife. I use iMovie daily. I have an iPod with over 650 songs. I use iPhoto as well to manage my mom's photos. So, in my case, I need a new version of iLife, but my processor, hard drive, and budget can't handle that without getting a new mac.

 

[OwenMan]

My powerbook should be arriving sometime next week. Very excited, as this is my first mac and first time of really using Panther. Cant wait til April 29th, should be good, knowing how much better Tiger is than Panther.

 

[matticus008]

[...]What is mean is Apple should have supplied something for the "older" Macs. [...] No way am I going to buy Tiger. That would be a waste of $129 which I could put towards a new iMac. Anyways, I do a lot with my iLife. I use iMovie daily. I have an iPod with over 650 songs. I use iPhoto as well to manage my mom's photos. So, in my case, I need a new version of iLife, but my processor, hard drive, and budget can't handle that without getting a new mac.

So...you're not buying Tiger, and you already have iLife? Sounds like you're set. There's no reason for Apple to include any part of the iLife apps. If they're using them right now, that means they have a copy (be it from the free versions or from iLife). If they're not currently using iLife or any of the iApps, they're not likely to miss it all of a sudden with Tiger. People with older Macs can still use iMovie 3 and iPhoto 2 (sorry about switching the version numbers in my last post). The newer versions have higher system requirements, so they'd need a new(er) computer anyhow.

If you have any version of iMovie or iPhoto now, you can keep on using it with Tiger (even the old ones that were included with Panther). If you want newer versions than what you have, you have to buy them. If you don't have any version of them at all, that means you're still running Jaguar and have heretofore expressed no interest in iLife or your system can't support it.