Awesome! I just hope it all works, and they fix Font Book to actually be worth calling a font management program.
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Tiger Build 8A294 Seeded To Developers
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MacsRgr8 said:
CoreImage sounds like 99% of Apple users will never run into its being used. It's not like QuartzExtreme.
Well, as with the 16->32 bit transition, they might be over until every supported setup is 64 bit.manu chao said:
Or there might be an option to install fat binaries and never trim the excess.
speed
any one know how much faster this will make my g5 with 2 gb of ram and 9600xt
What persent?
any one know how much faster this will make my g5 with 2 gb of ram and 9600xt
What persent?
m a y a said:Tom, there will be a marginally speed bump on a G3 and G4 system when comparing Panther and Tiger.
CoreImage will scale down however you will not have all the spiffy thingy-ma-jiggy effects for live screen manipulation unless you have the minimum Apple Loved Nvide VCard.
meaning everything will work with less effects. Same as fast user switching with the rotating effects of the screen.
So hold on tight, marginally faster is always better than nothing.
Ok, so I'm guessing the entire new lineup of iBooks/Powerbooks/iMacs etc. will support it but if it's coming out in July my Powerbook will be just over a year old. I get the feeling that I won't be able to support many of the new CoreImage functions on my "measley" 32MB graphics card.... is that the case? I might stick with 10.3 for now if it is - I remember my G3 iBook was fine on 10.2 (the os it came with) but never seemed quite the same on 10.3!
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That depends entirely on what you're doing. Disk-access-based stuff is going to be essentially or exactly the same speed. GPU-based stuff will, again, not depend on Tiger. Really, you'd need to wait at least another few months for a build which is closer to the final product to even begin to speculate.macaudiodj said:
I am using it now as my main OS, except for some Carbon Toolbars not working, everything is pretty smooth.
I love Mail 2.0, and safari 2.0 is a lot better then the 1x versions. I cant wait to see Mails interface deployed to some more apps to replace brushed.
iChat is pretty cool now, I still have not done a 3 way video chat, but I will try that soon.
Automator works pretty well now, I cant wait to see what people are able to do with this app, it is pretty simple yet powerful.
Burnable folders are interesting, but I dont really have any need for them.
PM me if you want screenshots of anything, and I can post them later tonight.
I love Mail 2.0, and safari 2.0 is a lot better then the 1x versions. I cant wait to see Mails interface deployed to some more apps to replace brushed.
iChat is pretty cool now, I still have not done a 3 way video chat, but I will try that soon.
Automator works pretty well now, I cant wait to see what people are able to do with this app, it is pretty simple yet powerful.
Burnable folders are interesting, but I dont really have any need for them.
PM me if you want screenshots of anything, and I can post them later tonight.
Re: Konfabulator and Widgets
That's why widgets use Javascript, or even Cocoa or Carbon as you see fit.
Do your reading before you starting fighting, folks.
Best,
Logicat
That's why widgets use Javascript, or even Cocoa or Carbon as you see fit.
Do your reading before you starting fighting, folks.
Best,
Logicat
m a y a said:
I've read through the Tiger preview pages many times and haven't seen anything of the sort. Where did you see this? Certainly not on the Tiger 64 bit page.
I'd be willing to bet that they'll have a "64-bit subsystem" or something to that effect, which is mandatory for G5 users and optional for G4 and below. As someone else mentioned, if you don't have the 64-bit stuff installed, you lose the "install once, run anywhere" functionality. There's no reason not to offer it as an option, turned off by default for 32-bit processors.
So yes you will see a speed boost a marginally one for 32-bit and a significant one for 64-bit users. Lucky dogs.
Uhh, no. Where's the significant speed boost for 64-bit users? Like I said before, there's only a speed boost if you have an application that needs more than 4 gigs of virtual memory, and you have more than that much physical RAM. There's probably a few tweaks for 64-bit here and there, but by and large I expect them to be just the same as for 32-bit users. The point of my original post was that many people still mistakenly think that 64-bit support is some magic feature that will automatically speed up a G5. It won't. Panther already supports 64-bit math, all they're really adding in Tiger are 64-bit pointers. Read the above linked page - it says just as much. Doubling the size of a pointer does nothing to your speed.
I just want to help try to clear things up, since I see this misconception so often. I have no doubt that Apple continues to optimize and try to make Tiger even faster than Panther, but very, very little of that should be related in any way to 64-bit vs. 32-bit.
minor point - double float is already 64-bit
I think you know this, but your explanation doesn't explicitly say that 64-bit floating point hardware support is already in the 68K, 60x, G3, G4, Pentium, and even the 286/386/486 via the FP co-processor.
Only 64-bit integer hardware support is new for the PPC970 (and x86-64). The vast majority of compilers support 64-bit in software on the rest of the machines.
64-bit integer math is actually used by everyone here every day, but it isn't in performance-critical areas of the system. (If you can create a file bigger than 4 GiB, your system is using 64-bit arithmetic to describe the size of and offsets into a file.)
bankshot said:I love how the term "64-bit" is thrown around as if it's some magical feature that'll double your computer's speed and cook your breakfast too. It's not (and it' won't).
First, you can already use 64 bit math (double precision floating point, 64-bit ints) in any program you like now. Any processor back to the G3 and before can do it. It'll be a bit more efficient on a G5 since the cpu supports it natively, but not overwhelmingly so....
Anyway, please correct me if I got anything a little wrong!
I think you know this, but your explanation doesn't explicitly say that 64-bit floating point hardware support is already in the 68K, 60x, G3, G4, Pentium, and even the 286/386/486 via the FP co-processor.
Only 64-bit integer hardware support is new for the PPC970 (and x86-64). The vast majority of compilers support 64-bit in software on the rest of the machines.
64-bit integer math is actually used by everyone here every day, but it isn't in performance-critical areas of the system. (If you can create a file bigger than 4 GiB, your system is using 64-bit arithmetic to describe the size of and offsets into a file.)
Native PDF in Safari
AppleInsider says today here that Safari for Tiger is going to support native PDF.
Finally! That's my No. 1 gripe about Safari is that it saves PDFs to the desktop and launches them in Preview instead of directly in Safari.
As to RSS support, I'll be curious to see whether it's any better than NetNewWire Lite, which, as far as I'm concerned, does everything I need it to do.
AppleInsider says today here that Safari for Tiger is going to support native PDF.
Finally! That's my No. 1 gripe about Safari is that it saves PDFs to the desktop and launches them in Preview instead of directly in Safari.
As to RSS support, I'll be curious to see whether it's any better than NetNewWire Lite, which, as far as I'm concerned, does everything I need it to do.
i hope the finder is improved...
any word on the finder? the dock? springloaded folders in the dock (don't expect it but it would be a pleasant surprise)
any word on the finder? the dock? springloaded folders in the dock (don't expect it but it would be a pleasant surprise)
I guess that native PDF in safari is in no small part to the new PDFKit built into Tiger. PDFKit being to preview what WebKit is to Safari. As there is now a framework for pdf viewing and manipulation, adding to safari would have been trivial. I guess quicktime movies will be playable in safari through the new QTKit too, as Quicktime player has been rebuilt using QTKit, and looks very impressive, with live resizing etc. Now we just need real and windows media plug-ins so the desktop doesn't get littered with them little files when you just want to stream audio or video.
This isn't really any different from what Windows does, it's just saved to the Desktop.Porchland said:
Saved to ~/Temp -> Launch Browser Plugin -> Opens PDF in ~/Temp
I agree with you totally. Unless your doing 64-bit integer math with high frequency or need 64-bit memory pointers, then a 64-bit app is more likely to run a bit slower, rather than faster. A 64-bit app is going to use up cache a lot quicker than a 32-bit app. There are certain apps that benefit greatly from 64-bit capabilities, but most do not. However, this may change over time as we get deeper into the digital media evolution.bankshot said:
Or, God forbid, they could add a second mouse button to the next generation of PBs....Mechcozmo said:
bankshot said:
I agree, the G4 supports 36 bit addresses and the G5 supports 42 bit addresses, that would mean that the G4 supports 68GB of physical memory and the G5 supports 4TB. So I guess thats not much of an advantage in reality, except for the support for more virtual memory. The G5 could also perform 64bit math in fewer clock cycles, but its main advantage today is its support for faster buses rather than being 64bits. Except for scientific computing, which will make use of that extra memory, etc.
But on to Tiger... its looking good but I hope it is released before June. I will likely be buying a new computer before then and I don't want to have to buy Tiger after the fact.
jsw said:
The sun will explode before Apple does that, I hope you know. And the sun will take a few trillion years.
Far easier to just add spring-loaded folders to the dock. And Earth doesn't have to be destroyed. I have this kind of... personal attachment to it you could say.
jayscheuerle said:
Although you're right that not as many users will see a difference as with Quartz Extreme, it's going to be a much bigger percentage than 1%.
Many, many graphics, design, and film/video outfits are using Macs to get their work done. Considering that Photoshop (as I understand it) will have extensions to make filters use CoreImage, and FCP/Motion are going to be taking advantage of CoreVideo, that makes quite a large percentage of Mac users that will be quite happy with this addition.
I'm going to take a wild guess that at least 1 out of 3 macs out there in production use by June of next year are going to have a vidcard that can take advantage of it. And anybody that does can see the effects simply in Dashboard or iPhoto.
Just my 2 cents.
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I know.Mechcozmo said:
It's just that one-button fanaticism and not allowing us to resize windows from more than one spot that annoy me. Still, how can I test my love for Apple if there are no problems to deal with?