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Tiger GM Leaked?
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duh of cource it's gonna turn up on file sharing networks and torrent sites. I mean if you stop think about it, the second a CD/DVD is pressed in a plant it's gonna turn up online. Weather it's an employee at the plant copying, or some one in shipping, or some realtor.
New CD's and DVD's come out on tuesdays, but the stores have them ussually a week in advanced, and it's not as if the disk are pressed up 8 days before the release and shipped the next day.
New CD's and DVD's come out on tuesdays, but the stores have them ussually a week in advanced, and it's not as if the disk are pressed up 8 days before the release and shipped the next day.
I would advise against touting the fact you have it early, if only to save yourself the mountains of PMs/IMs/emails you will get from people begging to know where you got it from.freddiecable said:
I'm surprised that Apple legal hasn't closed down something so blatantly illegal. I personally would download an illegal copy. Will admit that when Napster first came out, curiosity caused me to take a look. Only looked once because it seemed that it took more programing knowledge than I had to negotiate the site. I'm sure that something illegal is made increasingly difficult so that many users can't without knowledge of work arounds.
daveL said:
You are correct in that the 10.3 GM was released to developers about a week ahead of the official release date. I also recall that 10.2 GM was released to developers several weeks in advance of its official release date.
I'm with you in thinking it'll be available on the ADC this weekend.
I've said it before and am saying it again - I would like to see MacPolls do a poll on the $ amount of pirated stuff people have installed. I would guess that 100% of us do even if it is one song or a picture we copied off the Internet.
Man, some Apple people are such dorks. How can people get so excited over tiger, a update that has a few enhancements over the current version. I won't be installing tiger for quite some time until everything works with with it. Also, apple will never add any sort of protection to their OS software, I am sure they don't care if anyone pays for it or not. Apple makes money on hardware sales, not software, and to run OSX, Final Cut, iChat and all that, you need a mac.
Maxiseller said:
I agree with you and I recognize that piracy it's ilegal and against the law. Lots of laws around the world.
My intention was just expresses how it is here, in Brazil, because this is a reality here and piracy is an institutionalized practice, and express my agreement with the procedures that I use to see here, in the forum, 'cause people usually buy legal software. And I think that you're right.
This only express one of the many cultural diferences between our countries.
And another thing must be considered when we think about piracy.
It's not a complete excuse, but must be considered.
Here in Brasil a Mac Mini costs 250% more than in other countries such as US, UK and Europe, Australia, etc. Or, US$ 1.300. An iMac is starting at US$ 3.000. And apps are basically 2x more than it cost in the mentioned coutries.
But, people here have poor salaries, even when we talk about graduated professionals. Specially If you know that a considered good monthly wage is about US$ 800, but the average monthly wage is about US$ 600 or less.
So, it's hard to make people understand why spend US$ 300 in a legal software, if he see at every corner in great streets and avenues the same apps for US$ 3 or 4.
I do know that a software company spent a lot on research, test an everything, so that's why software is so expensive. But, a lot of people don't believe in it, don't agree with it or simply don't care about it, and just think in his own pocket.
This is bad? Yes, it is. But, when you have a goverment that exploit you in every way since imemorial ages, and you know how hard is to get a job and save some money, you begin to understand it.
Well, the world it is not a fair place to live, or to deal...
It's not a complete excuse, but must be considered.
Here in Brasil a Mac Mini costs 250% more than in other countries such as US, UK and Europe, Australia, etc. Or, US$ 1.300. An iMac is starting at US$ 3.000. And apps are basically 2x more than it cost in the mentioned coutries.
But, people here have poor salaries, even when we talk about graduated professionals. Specially If you know that a considered good monthly wage is about US$ 800, but the average monthly wage is about US$ 600 or less.
So, it's hard to make people understand why spend US$ 300 in a legal software, if he see at every corner in great streets and avenues the same apps for US$ 3 or 4.
I do know that a software company spent a lot on research, test an everything, so that's why software is so expensive. But, a lot of people don't believe in it, don't agree with it or simply don't care about it, and just think in his own pocket.
This is bad? Yes, it is. But, when you have a goverment that exploit you in every way since imemorial ages, and you know how hard is to get a job and save some money, you begin to understand it.
Well, the world it is not a fair place to live, or to deal...
broken_keyboard said:
On the contrary. You can only have an opinion on something once you have possession, or some degree of control, over it. Therefore "property rights of UK property" are meaningless to those who have never heard of the UK and live far away from it. Similarly, we don't care about cow's rights and slaughter them by the million so that we can eat them. The only reason we can do this is because we have the ability and make the choice to use it (ie, the cows do not form a militia and resist by carrying out eating raids on human settlements). Similarly, those "poor countries" of which you speak, often try to sell, eg, coffee in Europe (remember the "Fair Trade" brands you sometimes see?). Well we stop them, because if we didn't, they'd drive our own coffee makers out of business: after all, can European or British workers compete with coffee grown at the cost of $2 per month in Africa? So what we do is slap taxes on any coffee imports from Africa until the original price plus the tariff is more than coffee made here, thus effectively pricing all Africans out of the market. Fair? Maybe, maybe not. Good for business and serves our national interest? You bet. We do it because we can and because the Africans have no choice and we are more powerful: they need to sell coffee to us, we don't need to buy off them. Therefore their coffee is worthless to us even if they price it lower because we will negate their efforts. The only way they will ever manage it is if it somehow serves our national interest strategically or if we can derive some profit from letting them have access to our markets.
The copyright story is thus exactly the same. States simply do what they can to serve their national interest. The fact that your national interest "seems moral" to you is exactly that: moral for you, but not for anyone else. Try explaining "human rights" to a caveman: he won't stand for it. Similarly, copyright is a highly refined law for a highly literate society in which it serves everybody to have an incentive to innovate and write. When our own societies were poor, nobody gave a damn about copyright. Do you think Bach or Mozart worried about copyright?
This is not to say I don't support copyright, I certainly do. But I can also see that it is in many people's and nation's interest to flaunt it: and I can also say, without a doubt, that we'd do the same in their position. This does not mean we don't try and penalise them for breaking our laws: if we are powerful enough to enforce our laws, we should certainly do so (cf. British Raj in India). The fact that piracy exists in certain nations is as much a reflection on our lack of ability to enforce our (not their) interest.
pounce said:
It's just that developing countries don't care about intellectual property rights as much. They have other things to worry about. The United States stole a bunch of intellectual from the British during the industrial revolution. Now that we're developed and an information society, of course we bitch and wonder how others dare steal our stuff. The Chinese don't really care about copying other companies today but when they start churning out their own content, they'll enforce laws just like the United States does. This is not totally relevant to this thread but it's just my personal explanation of this type of behavior in other countries to individuals who don't understand why other people would do this. It's all social conditioning.
if i was Apple, at the end of the day all i would be bothered about is if i made money. if everyone had the same idea as me to download it and donate, and if it meant they would have the same amount of moolah at the end of it as if they sold Tiger normally, then i wouldnt be bothered. because in the end its an OS. a company gets money, you get an OS. simple as. right? or do the DVDs have some magical power over them which grant each purchaser 3 wishes?
ill run the check again, using Calculator with the latest currency conversion rates;
UK Tiger: £88 = $167 (plain old Tiger, no discounts of any kind)
US Tiger: $129 = £67 (ditto)
Difference: £21 or $38
thats not entirely fair, and as for the Brazil situation... *sigh*
maybe people downloading and donating would make software companies act a little more equal.
ill run the check again, using Calculator with the latest currency conversion rates;
UK Tiger: £88 = $167 (plain old Tiger, no discounts of any kind)
US Tiger: $129 = £67 (ditto)
Difference: £21 or $38
thats not entirely fair, and as for the Brazil situation... *sigh*
maybe people downloading and donating would make software companies act a little more equal.
