Tiger GM Leaked?

[MrSmith]

I think you've missed the point.

Tiger is not a compulsory upgrade...it does not render Panther useless. And when you buy your computer it does come with an OS.

To use your analogy, it's more akin to a new car coming out with a better engine. It doesn't mean that your old car should be given a free upgrade to that engine and it doesn't mean your car stops running!

Edit: it seems I was a bit late with replying there! And boy do people love comparing computers to cars!

Yes, you are right, of course. Maybe it's because I'm still on 8.6 But my box, keyboard, mouse and screen are running fine, but the productive software that I can buy/download is minimal. If I want to upgrade my system I would need to buy a new chip, new RAM, a bigger hard drive - there's money for the industry. But I also have to buy the software that actually runs the machine. Computers are hardly luxury items anymore, at least no more than TVs or telephones. But in our modern 'disposable society' I'm expected to chuck a perfectly good machine every few years. Giving the OS as a free download doesn't seem such an unbelievable idea to me. It isn't too far removed from a patch, in my opinion. It's just that people expect to pay for the OSes, which I don't think will happen in the future. Pure speculation, of course. I seem to be contradicting myself, because I accept having to buy new hardware but not the OS. But I think there is a difference. The OS is part of the bare bones of the machine, as much as the display on my VHS is part of the player. I do, however, accept that I have to pay for the tapes

And finally... if nobody bought a new OS until they bought a new machine they'd never sell any OSes! I'm sure the industry wouldn't collapse.

 

[rubberband]

I have to agree.

Nothing to do with the thread, but thinking aloud, hasn't anyone else thought how ridiculous it is we actually have to PAY for an operating system. The piece of software that actually allows us to RUN the machine that we purchased from the company. Software that has to be replaced periodically because otherwise we can't run up-to-date applications.

Someone will compare it to having to buy petrol for cars, but I don't think it's the same. They're two completely different industries. Actually I can't think of any parallels. Most times we have to buy parts for things because the parts have worn out or broken. But we have to buy new OSs just so we can continue using the machine (and the latest software, which we do need to invest in). If making the computer guys rich wasn't the number one concern, commonsense tells me they'd want to keep us running their machines with the greatest ease possible. I.e being able to turn them on without being told we can't run an application because we're missing parts.

Surely in 10 or 20 years we'll tell our grandchildren we used to pay for the OS and they won't believe it.

Anyway, sorry for the irrelevance...

DUDE.
I don't know what is your problem but if you are mad because u got to pay 149CAD for tiger then you should move to a PC.

You start with a half a... job from dell or hp, and if you build it yourself , it is same thing. There is so much hardware ir. video cards, motherboards, CPUs, drives and so on, that the machines are ALL Frankenstein's work. That is a reason why apple stop clones.

So, you get a this thing to turn on and... yeah... WINDOWS XP comes on ... ah, NO!

YOU GO AND BUY IT FOR 600CAD!!! you know i can buy and 60gig photo iPod for that money!

I would get this is, if it was 600 and you get a new copy with every update. What is mean is that, Windows XP came out in 2001, and since we got:
wireless networks go essensial
bluetooth go essential fro cellphone and pda sync
SATA came out
64 bit with 32 bit able process CPUs
pci-x and pci express
gigabit ethernet
usb 2.0
firewire 800
and so on

and what does windows do to its OS, they patch it up! Like your system was in order to put it together and fire it up.

So, since 2001 Apple, has what ( I am a pc user desiring to have the money for a pm dp 2.0) updated their OS, 3 times or 2. and in those times all of this hardware issues have being address and new technologies towards the OS implemented ie, spotlight, dashboard, and so on.

And then, you add the fact that Apple, chooses and integrates the hardware for it to fire up correctly an not be a "monster". WOW! that hits the spot for me!

You control hardware and sofware for a system,then make then exploy eachother to the max (ei. acceleration for g5); you create a world above the industry and THAT is what apple represents for any of us, that have a PC.

Hell man, if i had known from the begining that there was a company that did this OS, update for 149 every 2 years tops, and really sell computers; i would be using a mac today and not !@#$% !@#$$ about the money
Every time this thing goes down (the sys crashes "unstable" and mem cap at 4gig, even under 64 bit cpu) or run only 5 major apps because the latter happens, I lose money and time! I develop webpages so i dont make much, but i am saving.

But since you got a problem I can give me my address, you mail me your system and we switch.

what do you say?

Ps. Sorry for being off topic but i had to address this

 

[MrSmith]

DUDE.
I don't know what is your problem...

But since you got a problem...

what do you say?

errr... "I'm sorry" ?

 

[MrSmith]

BTW, I'd better clear up where I'm coming from. I said I'm still on a PM G3 running 8.6. In the next month or two I'm going to buy a G5 iMac. So, no, I'm not bitching about an upgrade from Panther. In fact, I'm not going to pay a penny for Tiger. I'm just talking principles.

OK, DUDE, let's swap

 

[Kenrik]

dashboard is nice and I like aqua 3.0, I got my copy from apple. I have seen the offical GM floating around on a few well know BT sites though....

 

[Voiteur]

#108

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Originally Posted by Voiteur
seems like people on here are a tad obsessed with capitalism- all this "respecting other peoples property" jargon. Sounds like propaganda made up to protect the wealthy (Jobs and the rest) from any other POV. Face the facts- Apple is a huge corporation and like all other huge corporations, they are oppressing people around the globe. A little "blowback" as the Bush administration puts it, is to be expected. Stealing software is a joke, not a crime. How many employees of software companies slept on the street last year anyway? Do they eat out of garbage cans? Please, find someplace real to place your concerns. Being worried about the wealth of billionaires is a waste of your life.


WoW...
That was good... mind if I use that one...

Please do. No "intellectual property rights" here. Spread the word.

 

[Voiteur]

Think planned obselesence, er, I mean b*tchin OS upgrades don't effect anybody? I work in a school district that will be throwing away thousands (yes, literally thousands) of Macs because the OS is outdated (basically useless... have you tried surfing the web on OS 7 or even 9 lately) and they can't afford upgrades or new computers. Guess wha? It's not in the third world.
The saddest part is that my classroom will lose three old Macs and be left with one old PC - I guess Microsoft's failure to update Windows has a very tiny silver lining: My 32 students will still have 1 computer to use.

 

[Applespider]

Stealing software is a joke, not a crime. How many employees of software companies slept on the street last year anyway? Do they eat out of garbage cans? Being worried about the wealth of billionaires is a waste of your life.

How many of those who are pirating software/music/movies give the purchase price to charity? Or if they're pirating for 'anti-capitalist' reasons, actually write to the company to tell them why? Very, very few I'd imagine. Pirates aren't protesting against higher prices; they're interested in saving their own money. If you can't afford something, you can't have it - simple. It works for cars, designer clothes, why not software? You'd object if your mother was mugged for her jewellery even if the mugger said that they only did it because they wanted a watch and your mother could afford a new one. Why is it different when the owner is 'faceless'?

Not all of those involved in software production are billionaires - just the higher echelons (and whatever we might think of Bill Gates, he does fund many charitable projects as many companies do). There are a lot of little people in software companies - and guess who'll the first to be laid off or have their benefits cut if times get hard? Not the rich CEOs and VPs.

 

[IndyGopher]

How many employees of software companies slept on the street last year anyway? Do they eat out of garbage cans?

Oddly, the number is the EXACT SAME as the number of homeless, starving people who are downloading Mac OS X from their broadband internet connection.

Keep the bleeding heart stuff in perspective here.. no one with a Mac is starving.

 

[Voiteur]

How many of those who are pirating software/music/movies give the purchase price to charity? Or if they're pirating for 'anti-capitalist' reasons, actually write to the company to tell them why? Very, very few I'd imagine. Pirates aren't protesting against higher prices; they're interested in saving their own money. If you can't afford something, you can't have it - simple. It works for cars, designer clothes, why not software? You'd object if your mother was mugged for her jewellery even if the mugger said that they only did it because they wanted a watch and your mother could afford a new one. Why is it different when the owner is 'faceless'?

Not all of those involved in software production are billionaires - just the higher echelons (and whatever we might think of Bill Gates, he does fund many charitable projects as many companies do). There are a lot of little people in software companies - and guess who'll the first to be laid off or have their benefits cut if times get hard? Not the rich CEOs and VPs.

First off, don't bring my mother into this. She hasn't worn jewelry a day in her life.
and FYI- the only reason Bill Gates funds charities is so folks like you will defend him when these types of arguements come up.
and concerning-
"There are a lot of little people in software companies - and guess who'll the first to be laid off or have their benefits cut if times get hard? Not the rich CEOs and VPs"- you are sooo right, but I'd like to see an example of file-sharing putting little people out of work. Have you seen the South Park where Brittney Spears has to downgrade her jet and some other rock star has to wait a few days to buy their gold-plated pool-side bar due to "illegal downloading"? In reality, it's a little more like that. And if an extremely overpaid CEO decides to save money by laying off 1000 little people instead of chopping 1% off his salary- that is somehow my fault????

 

[MrSmith]

How many of those who are pirating software/music/movies give the purchase price to charity? Or if they're pirating for 'anti-capitalist' reasons, actually write to the company to tell them why? Very, very few I'd imagine. Pirates aren't protesting against higher prices; they're interested in saving their own money. If you can't afford something, you can't have it - simple. It works for cars, designer clothes, why not software? You'd object if your mother was mugged for her jewellery even if the mugger said that they only did it because they wanted a watch and your mother could afford a new one. Why is it different when the owner is 'faceless'?

Not all of those involved in software production are billionaires - just the higher echelons (and whatever we might think of Bill Gates, he does fund many charitable projects as many companies do). There are a lot of little people in software companies - and guess who'll the first to be laid off or have their benefits cut if times get hard? Not the rich CEOs and VPs.

There's no comparison with your Mum's watch. She probably worked and saved hard to buy it. People work and save hard　for their computers and therefore don't expect them to be useless after a few years. How would your Mum feel if her Rolex stopped working effectively after a few years? She expects it to last until SHE wants to stop using it.

As for Bill Gates charity donations.... Jeez, it must be quite easy for a multi-billionaire to write a cheque for a million dollars to their favourite charity then sit back feeling smug about it; reading people write about what a good guy he is after all. Hell, with that amount of money you are certainly going to have as much as anyone would need in a lifetime to satisfy their own needs, as well as those of countless generations to come.

 

[Voiteur]

Oddly, the number is the EXACT SAME as the number of homeless, starving people who are downloading Mac OS X from their broadband internet connection.

Keep the bleeding heart stuff in perspective here.. no one with a Mac is starving.

I know that. what I meant was, why are you wasting your time worrying about a millionaoire or billionaires bottom line? They really don't give a care about you. It's not like they are in danger of living on the street...
get it now?

 

[asif786]

Not all of those involved in software production are billionaires - just the higher echelons (and whatever we might think of Bill Gates, he does fund many charitable projects as many companies do). There are a lot of little people in software companies - and guess who'll the first to be laid off or have their benefits cut if times get hard? Not the rich CEOs and VPs.

I think that many people have different attitudes with regards to big and small software companie dont they?

I know that if i download a pirated piece of software from a multibillion dollar company, i dont feel so bad. but I would *never* use pirated versions of apps that are made by people such as panic.com or delicious library. These small companies bring real life and soul into the mac community and they should be rewarded for that. Paying for a microsoft piece of software makes me sick - but sometimes it has to be done. and sometimes it doesnt.

I guess apple is a little different because it doesnt charge insanely high prices, and they are 'kinda cool' too

 

[Applespider]

Have you seen the South Park where Brittney Spears has to downgrade her jet and some other rock star has to wait a few days to buy their gold-plated pool-side bar due to "illegal downloading"? In reality, it's a little more like that. And if an extremely overpaid CEO decides to save money by laying off 1000 little people instead of chopping 1% off his salary- that is somehow my fault????

It's the first time I've seen South Park cited as realistic or a source of news on the economy. And no, it's more likely that the record label secretaries end up working for more than one person or designers are put on freelance contracts losing their permanent employee benefits, than Britney downgrades her jet. And yes, if the company goes out of business because you and your ilk stopped purchasing their products, then I'd say it was partially your responsibility.

Incidentally, I'm not defending high prices or overpaid CEOs; I'm saying that most 'pirates' are doing it for the benefit of their wallets rather than humanitarian principles. If you disagree with a company's policies, then boycott them but that means not using their products rather than just not buying them. There are shops which I don't use because I disagree with how they deal with suppliers; I've written and told them why and I don't use them. I don't go in and steal things from them.

People work and save hard　for their computers and therefore don't expect them to be useless after a few years. How would your Mum feel if her Rolex stopped working effectively after a few years? She expects it to last until SHE wants to stop using it.

Actually, I do expect computers to be pretty useless within 5 years regardless of how much I had to save for it. I budget to replace them before then. Equally, if I buy a cheap watch, I'll assume that it's made with cheap parts and I'd expect it to break before one that was made by a local watchmaker. Just because I want something to work for years, doesn't mean it's going to. Note I'm not saying that more expensive is better; there is a value aspect to price/quality that should be taken into account along with your chosen supplier/manufacturer's treatment of suppliers/workers if that is important to you.

 

[MrSmith]

Actually, I do expect computers to be pretty useless within 5 years regardless of how much I had to save for it. I budget to replace them before then.

And the industry thrives on people like you. If you're happy, then good luck to you. Maybe you don't have a family to support.

Equally, if I buy a cheap watch, I'll assume that it's made with cheap parts and I'd expect it to break before one that was made by a local watchmaker.Equally, if I buy a cheap watch, I'll assume that it's made with cheap parts and I'd expect it to break before one that was made by a local watchmaker. Just because I want something to work for years, doesn't mean it's going to. Note I'm not saying that more expensive is better; there is a value aspect to price/quality that should be taken into account along with your chosen supplier/manufacturer's treatment of suppliers/workers if that is important to you.

I'm not sure what you're saying, but you seem to be shooting yourself in the foot. If I pay for an expensive Mac I expect it to last a long time, i.e. not to become obsolete in a short time because technology moves on.

 

[Voiteur]

It's the first time I've seen South Park cited as realistic or a source of news on the economy. And no, it's more likely that the record label secretaries end up working for more than one person or designers are put on freelance contracts losing their permanent employee benefits, than Britney downgrades her jet. And yes, if the company goes out of business because you and your ilk stopped purchasing their products, then I'd say it was partially your responsibility.
.

Please, there is at least as much truth in the satire of some episodes of South Park or the Daily Show as there is in the actual news these days. Anyone who can't see that is completely blinded by the powers that be.

And If a corporation goes out of business because I stop buying their product then freakin great! I'd love to put every corporation out of business. They are ruining the planet and what's left of society.

 

[Advance The Man]

I read the last four or five threads and have no idea why watches are being talked about. I thought I was gonna read about Tiger.

 

[edesignuk]

I read the last four or five threads and have no idea why watches are being talked about. I thought I was gonna read about Tiger.

We always have to have a HUGE moral debate whenever the subject of piracy comes up

 

[Ollie UK]

Man, some Apple people are such dorks. How can people get so excited over tiger, a update that has a few enhancements over the current version. I won't be installing tiger for quite some time until everything works with with it. Also, apple will never add any sort of protection to their OS software, I am sure they don't care if anyone pays for it or not. Apple makes money on hardware sales, not software, and to run OSX, Final Cut, iChat and all that, you need a mac.

That isn't strictly true. Apple is increasingly making more money from software due to market share increase but also because they have 12 million active OS X users. Apple put serial numbers on iWork and on Final Cut Studio - this also requires activation over the internet (iWork) but it doesn't stop you installing it on multiple Macs. Tiger is the biggest update to OS X ever and there's nothing wrong with getting excited over beautifully written software!

 

[benpatient]

I wonder how many people have downloaded the leaked version because the "news" sites informed them that there was a leaked version?

From what I understand, it wasn't terribly easy to find because it was from China?

 

[Symtex]

I wonder how many people have downloaded the leaked version because the "news" sites informed them that there was a leaked version?

From what I understand, it wasn't terribly easy to find because it was from China?

I've downloaded this morning in an 1h05 min @ 700 kbs /s. I feel bad as I usely don't pirate anything. I would probably just buy it on April 29th. It was very easy to find and very quick to download.

 

[Fabio_gsilva]

How many of those who are pirating software/music/movies give the purchase price to charity? Or if they're pirating for 'anti-capitalist' reasons, actually write to the company to tell them why? Very, very few I'd imagine. Pirates aren't protesting against higher prices; they're interested in saving their own money. If you can't afford something, you can't have it - simple. It works for cars, designer clothes, why not software? You'd object if your mother was mugged for her jewellery even if the mugger said that they only did it because they wanted a watch and your mother could afford a new one. Why is it different when the owner is 'faceless'?

Not all of those involved in software production are billionaires - just the higher echelons (and whatever we might think of Bill Gates, he does fund many charitable projects as many companies do). There are a lot of little people in software companies - and guess who'll the first to be laid off or have their benefits cut if times get hard? Not the rich CEOs and VPs.

In fact, it's a very silly point say:"Oh, if you don't have money to buy a jewelry, just don't buy it" or, in this specific case: if you don't have money to buy legal software, just don't buy it.

People need to put in mind that it is impossible in today's world not have a computer to work, and just don't use it. If you are off the new apps launched you are out of your job.

I'm a lawyer here in Brasil, and ma paycheck is a disgrace. But, I know that it's very good, if I compare it with others 120 millions here in my own country. But, either way, i can't buy the MSoffice for my PC... But, whitout this, and windows, and some other programs, how can I work? How can I prepare the ordinary documents demanded?

And this is happening with everybody here... if you don't have e-mail, internet acces, at least a humble computer with at least the office, you simply don't get a job and you will simply die hungry!!! So, it's not a matter of using or not using ilegal apps. There is much more involved in this question. It's very childish say "just don't use it". You need to or you will never have money.

You may say: Well, why don't you buy it in low mensal payments??? This answer is simple: becaus interest here is monstruous!!! What you think about paying 3% monthly of interest??? Or, if you use your credit card, 13% monthly??? It's impossible...

So, which do you prefer: don't get a job and never advance in your life or buy ilegal software for just 1% of the price of the regular one???

Now, after 6 months saving money I can afford buying my first mac, a Mac Mini, that cost me here only US$ 1.300!!! Yes, this is the price here. And, I'll try very hard to not buy piracy. But I know if I ever need an app an I can't afford it, I'll simply walk to Santa Ifigenia street and buy whetever I need per only US$ 3...

It's sad, and I really desire to buy only good and legal software... but, things are different down in the third world...

 

[SoGood]

I wonder how many people have downloaded the leaked version because the "news" sites informed them that there was a leaked version?

From what I understand, it wasn't terribly easy to find because it was from China?

Funny that. Piracy has no boarders. It's not like iTunes Music Stores!

It only take one seed to populate out to the various other sites around the world. and traffic goes both ways. In terms of all the different pirated softwares out there, I suspect Chinese sites are primarily being fed by non-Chinese sites. It's a practical fact that a lot of software titles are simply not commercially available in China or many other developing countries out there.

 

[brap]

I wonder how many people have downloaded the leaked version because the "news" sites informed them that there was a leaked version?

From what I understand, it wasn't terribly easy to find because it was from China?

Publicity on this scale, howevermany thousands of hits MR gets/day is just going to get the casual browser thinking "Hey, if they can do it". Floodgates open, thousands of lamers acquire the software. It's a pity this release appears so easy to do, if it required a little thought this might be deterred.

Motion: All crackers and release groups should present their data in the most horrendous format possible. Perhaps 7zip'd BIN/CUE...

 

[Porshuh944turbo]

i'm surprised people are still poking along with torrent or limewire or some crap like that? please... go learn how to usenet.

here's some info on newsgroups/usenet

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/41774/