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not to mention, NOT EVERYONE has a .mac account. i wonder out of all mac owners, who actually has a .mac account that can take advantage of the intergrated features.
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not to mention, NOT EVERYONE has a .mac account. i wonder out of all mac owners, who actually has a .mac account that can take advantage of the intergrated features.
rendezvouscp said:I don't have an actual copy of Tiger (or any copy for that matter), just the Spoken Interface software. I wish I had a copy of Tiger though. But who doesn't?
Chase
Bummer, we were hoping you could tell us all about it
For the record, my name is Chase too... I would like to say that it is indeed the coolest name anyone could have, and very few do have that name
PowerMacMan said:Bummer, we were hoping you could tell us all about it
For the record, my name is Chase too... I would like to say that it is indeed the coolest name anyone could have, and very few do have that name
I have to say that I am a false Chase, I actually am a Chasen
. But after being called Jason, Chad, and various other names, I almost always use Chase, unless I need actual identification. Maybe I will officially get my name changed one day...I can say that the Spoken Interface software will be very cool indeed and will probably be used by regular (not disabled) users too. You know how Apple introduces things that you never thought you would need or use until they introduce it? Well, I never thought that Spoken Interface would actually be helpful in my everyday life or that it could be used to make me more productive. But as I run it, there are some really cool features that I am using. One is that the Spoken Interface menu is totally spoken, so it is running "in the background" but can be brought up at any time by pressing control + option + F5. (All of the controls are through control + option, so the whole keyboard can be used for those commands.) When I run my mouse over the dock, it tells me which application or folder my mouse is over, and the status of that application. Then when I switch applications, it tells me what is going on in the current application. There are many other things that will be of use to regular users, and I think that that will be a pretty good pushing point for Jobs.
Chase(n)
Yes, But...
I want and have wanted since the days of dragon dictate. To be able to interact with my computer using the spoken word. My typing is fast enough, (with errors) but I still can speak much faster. I know that there are still voice to text programs but none of them are integrated into an OS. Mac then would be the easiest computer to operate. NO keyboard no Mouse (for ordinary tasks like reading your e-mail) a/the computer (or better yet just the mike and the display (perhaps with an ichat camera) could reside in the living room while the tower/laptop/cube sits in the office) Even my 80 year old dad might then be able to web surf using spoken word commands (for example go to "NEWS" could allow him to web surf to some of his bookmarks. The OS would read back his saved bookmarks in the NEWS section"
I have a highly dislexic cousin who cannot operate a computer at all. He is in the construction business and would benefit greatly from the voice interface. He cannot type at all but can speak.
"read me my e-mail" would be a killer app!
If Apple came up with such an interface using some speech to text engine then all of the executives who dictate would then be able to see the product immediatly and thus be able to prepare much of their own correspondence.
I am in the legal field and often witness lawyers dicatating letters or briefs for the secretaries to type. Speed and accuracy increase using a speech to text interface and Apple could then penetrate and dominate into yet another market. Add the functionaltity to be able to record on the Ipod and have that file translated into speech and the convergence killer app forms. Dictate in the car or wherever and when you dock the file is tranlated into text. Perhaps then the os could append the voice file to the text file and keep them as one for posterity.
Apple could then add one more bit of functionality to the text.. the ability to hear the person speaking the text back to you. I know that is available in an app called "voicemail" but in many cases inflection is often lost in an e-mail. Or the voice of a loved one with the text.
And/or Apple could get celebrities to do voices for the interface and sell them via itms. James earl Jones voice "YOU HAVE THREE E_MAILS"
ooh very cool
but that is prob os XX
I want and have wanted since the days of dragon dictate. To be able to interact with my computer using the spoken word. My typing is fast enough, (with errors) but I still can speak much faster. I know that there are still voice to text programs but none of them are integrated into an OS. Mac then would be the easiest computer to operate. NO keyboard no Mouse (for ordinary tasks like reading your e-mail) a/the computer (or better yet just the mike and the display (perhaps with an ichat camera) could reside in the living room while the tower/laptop/cube sits in the office) Even my 80 year old dad might then be able to web surf using spoken word commands (for example go to "NEWS" could allow him to web surf to some of his bookmarks. The OS would read back his saved bookmarks in the NEWS section"
I have a highly dislexic cousin who cannot operate a computer at all. He is in the construction business and would benefit greatly from the voice interface. He cannot type at all but can speak.
"read me my e-mail" would be a killer app!
If Apple came up with such an interface using some speech to text engine then all of the executives who dictate would then be able to see the product immediatly and thus be able to prepare much of their own correspondence.
I am in the legal field and often witness lawyers dicatating letters or briefs for the secretaries to type. Speed and accuracy increase using a speech to text interface and Apple could then penetrate and dominate into yet another market. Add the functionaltity to be able to record on the Ipod and have that file translated into speech and the convergence killer app forms. Dictate in the car or wherever and when you dock the file is tranlated into text. Perhaps then the os could append the voice file to the text file and keep them as one for posterity.
Apple could then add one more bit of functionality to the text.. the ability to hear the person speaking the text back to you. I know that is available in an app called "voicemail" but in many cases inflection is often lost in an e-mail. Or the voice of a loved one with the text.
And/or Apple could get celebrities to do voices for the interface and sell them via itms. James earl Jones voice "YOU HAVE THREE E_MAILS"
ooh very cool
but that is prob os XX
What would be the proper way for the computer to pronounceTednDi said:
and and and all the other smilies?Doctor Q said:What would be the proper way for the computer to pronounce
Maybe the computer would recognize those to be a sence of enthusiasm, therefore if you have a happy face, the voice would sound happy, etc.
Emotocons and a dim memory...
The compter could just say "smile" "wink" "frown" "roll eyes" and emoticons could be turned on or off in the menu. Or if it displays it on a wireless monitor (hope hope) On the monitor could be a smiling face.
The Dim Memory....
I remember about 12 years ago Apple produced a promotional video with kids (gradeschool) in a wireless classroom with tablet computers and a whiteboard monitor the size of a blackboard. The kids did a show and tell in a keynote type program.
Also, apple at that time using this promotional film had Avatars which could read and interact with the user. Your computer's avatar would pop up and in spoken word would interact with the user. Simulated computer character would speak moving simulated lips.
Does anyone know where this video might still be???????
It seems like a pretty good roadmap of where apple is/was headed.
Remember wireless networking was not even envisioned at at that time.
PowerMacMan said:Maybe the computer would recognize those to be a sence of enthusiasm, therefore if you have a happy face, the voice would sound happy, etc.
The compter could just say "smile" "wink" "frown" "roll eyes" and emoticons could be turned on or off in the menu. Or if it displays it on a wireless monitor (hope hope) On the monitor could be a smiling face.
The Dim Memory....
I remember about 12 years ago Apple produced a promotional video with kids (gradeschool) in a wireless classroom with tablet computers and a whiteboard monitor the size of a blackboard. The kids did a show and tell in a keynote type program.
Also, apple at that time using this promotional film had Avatars which could read and interact with the user. Your computer's avatar would pop up and in spoken word would interact with the user. Simulated computer character would speak moving simulated lips.
Does anyone know where this video might still be???????
It seems like a pretty good roadmap of where apple is/was headed.
Remember wireless networking was not even envisioned at at that time.
PowerMacMan said:Bummer, we were hoping you could tell us all about it
For the record, my name is Chase too... I would like to say that it is indeed the coolest name anyone could have, and very few do have that name
I agree Chase is a nice sounding name. My name is also one that very few have and also a famous name of which I'm very proud.
As to "Tiger" we are all for the most part going to have to wait another two weeks to hear it directly from Steve.
Ok now I remember !!!!!!!
This was the video I was thinking of. Yes it was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back in 1990 for the 1990 wwdc.
I can't find the actual video but it had some features which we are now only begining to see in acuatlity.
here is the only link that I can find to a description of the event.
http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~saul/hci_topics/video/apple_video.html
If anyone has the video please post.
I am sure that Tiger might be on it's way to being much/most of this.
here are some of the videos that I was able to find.....
http://www.billzarchy.com/clips/clips_apple_nav_navigator.htm
http://www.billzarchy.com/clips/clips_apple_nav.htm
http://www.bu.edu/jlengel/kn65kfs.m... seems that it was the scully years at apple.
This was the video I was thinking of. Yes it was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back in 1990 for the 1990 wwdc. I can't find the actual video but it had some features which we are now only begining to see in acuatlity.
here is the only link that I can find to a description of the event.
http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~saul/hci_topics/video/apple_video.html
If anyone has the video please post.
I am sure that Tiger might be on it's way to being much/most of this.
here are some of the videos that I was able to find.....
http://www.billzarchy.com/clips/clips_apple_nav_navigator.htm
http://www.billzarchy.com/clips/clips_apple_nav.htm
http://www.bu.edu/jlengel/kn65kfs.m... seems that it was the scully years at apple.
rendezvouscp said:By the way, I read the agreement, and it never said that I was under a NDA (it only talked about the risk and responsibility of running the software), so I believe I can freely give this information out. If someone knows differently (ie, all preview software is under a NDA), please tell me!
Chase
I'm pretty sure you are OK. I've people talking about it on Apple's own discussion site and no one seems to care that they are openly seeking help with it. Apparently some people couldn't turn it off and it was driving them bats.
Anyway, at my house there is desperate need for document piles. This is my wife's desktop. I couldn't really see the point of piles until I saw this.
Agathon said:
Yes, it can be very upsetting, to the point that you can't take it anymore and you must turn it off. Maybe I should tell them that,
According to AppleInsider, some Apple developers have seriously hurt themselves. Some say that the new beta OS, Tiger, has made them go insane after enabling Spoken Interface. Here is what Apple had to say in a press conference today:
"We would not release any software that could potentially hurt people or any other living thing. We are currently looking into the issue."
Sadly, anyone who has looked into the issue has not lived to tell about it.
Sorry about the black humor. I hope you find it funny.
Chase
i've got iCal set up to start like this on my powerbook and it works just fineCalebj14 said:
the only real problem is if you have iSync set to automatically synchronise (either hourly, or if you've hacked to for longer periods)
then, if it's been longer than the last scheduled sync since you used the machine, it'll launch iCal on startup and immediately try to sync with your iDisk etc.
some times it's hides itself properly when it's done, but most times it doesn't - which is annoying
liveoak97 said:
oh i really hope so - ever since i first saw the dock in 10.0 i wanted to have this kind of function - i have far too many apps to keep them in the dock, so i've never really been able to use it as launcher - and there are no 3rd party apps that adequately do this. i really hope this feature is in Tiger - that would be awesome
Agathon said:Anyway, at my house there is desperate need for document piles. This is my wife's desktop. I couldn't really see the point of piles until I saw this.
Is that you taking the picture?
jxyama said:
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ClimgingTheLog said:
Now I would like OS X to allow Admin users to shut down, the computer and if ANY other users were loggin and had photos to modify, word, excel,spreadsheets,iCal appointments that weren't saved nor had a current title to save them generically - notifying the user that is shutting down the Mac then upon any of those users that had documents previously saved generically upon loading up alerting them what those documents are with some kind of pop-up/sidebar window allow them to "remind me later in 15min etc" or "open all docements". so that they can edit the name which would in affect remove the generic name (form those documents that were left on the desktop or the applications username folder space or just in the app - like iCal). And that would solve that!!
what think you all??Windows XP just alerts you that unsaved info will be deleted.
Give me a 64 bit kernel.... and ill buy it....
I have programs that need to access more than 4 Gig per thread
Completly get rid of Netinfo.... and ill buy it...(and yes i know It can almost be shut off in Panther) I want it completly gone
I have programs that need to access more than 4 Gig per thread
Completly get rid of Netinfo.... and ill buy it...(and yes i know It can almost be shut off in Panther) I want it completly gone
macsrus said:
HeHe looks like Im buying.... because I just found out IT WILL HAVE A 64 BIT KERNEL and it NO LONGER will HAVE ANY OF THE JUNKY/CRAPPY (NEXT) STUFF LEFT IN IT...... YEA NETINFO IS GONE......
WAY TO GO APPLE.....
useless?
your sig says you have a G4.....wont a 64-bit kernel be useless to you....if it isnt, then good for you, and i will soon have a DP 1.8 G5, so it would help me.....but i was pretty sure a 64-bit kernel would do you with G4's no good....please someone let me know if i'm wrong.
macsrus said:
your sig says you have a G4.....wont a 64-bit kernel be useless to you....if it isnt, then good for you, and i will soon have a DP 1.8 G5, so it would help me.....but i was pretty sure a 64-bit kernel would do you with G4's no good....please someone let me know if i'm wrong.
SiliconAddict said:
It doesn't have to be that slow, I mean as long as you're not planning on editing DV from your home folder or anything. The potential benefits all rely on small amounts of data: your email settings, any email you've got saved, preferences for safari, etc.
My only thing is that it should be "Portable Home" and NOT "Home on iPod".. While I love my iPod, the idea of fishing it out of my bag, reaching around for a firewire port, having a cable dangling around, etc. just to use a public computer is too much.
I would much prefer to put a subset of my home directory (ie. prefs for major apps and the stuff in the "Documents" folder) onto a USB flash key. A flash key fits on a key chain and there's no cord to plug into the back or anything. In fact, maybe there will even be an Apple branded flash key.
Until there's a firewire port on the front of macs, Home on iPod is a no go.
Tighter integration with Apple's internet apps?
I guess that means Tiger will really cost $228 ($129 for Tiger + $99 for .Mac). I for one, am not renewing my .mac account this year. I've been on it for two years and I haven't yet found any reason why I paid $200 for this.
I guess that means Tiger will really cost $228 ($129 for Tiger + $99 for .Mac). I for one, am not renewing my .mac account this year. I've been on it for two years and I haven't yet found any reason why I paid $200 for this.
Jagga said:Now I would like OS X to allow Admin users to shut down, the computer and if ANY other users were loggin and had photos to modify, word, excel,spreadsheets,iCal appointments that weren't saved nor had a current title to save them generically - notifying the user that is shutting down the Mac then upon any of those users that had documents previously saved generically upon loading up alerting them what those documents are with some kind of pop-up/sidebar window allow them to "remind me later in 15min etc" or "open all docements". so that they can edit the name which would in affect remove the generic name (form those documents that were left on the desktop or the applications username folder space or just in the app - like iCal). And that would solve that!!
Windows XP just alerts you that unsaved info will be deleted.
apple can make such a system that asks each app to save unsaved documents, but it would still be upp to app developer to honor that save requests. if apple made some kind of "force save" feature, that would have to be some kind of a memory fingerprint, and taking advantage of that would mean that after reboot each user would have to be "force logged in" and returned to the same state as before reboot. but many times admin reboots are made because of some user has done something that jams the system, so that would effectively cripple the "force boot" feature.
currently, because osx is a unix, root user can reboot the system without asking anybody anything. which is good. i'd like to think apple thinks each user who lets somebody else log in while leaving documents open would be smart enough to save one's work before leaving. apple has previously been into making systems intuitive for anybody to use, and not into doing things on behalf of the user, which is the microsoft way. it's up to user to do what one wants, not up to decide what user would perhaps been doing anyway.
i'd give it a no-go.