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But end users have no control over that, yet they have to suffer the repercussions in the form of a breach of their first amendment rights. Sure, going forward, they can post content elsewhere, but that historical free expression is gone, erased from history like it never existed.
They should take it up with ByteDance/TikTok directly then, rather than blaming the law. It’s not the law’s responsibility that ByteDance/TikTok opts for a shutdown instead of divestment. If you were affected by a corporation who chooses to disregard the law, would you hold the law accountable or the corporation who chooses to ignore it?
 
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Good.

Corporations shouldn't have First Amendment rights at all, as they're not people (Thanks, Citizens United).
But then why treat one corporation differently?

I might agree with you about Citizens United. But if foreign individuals have free speech rights in the USA (and they do), then Citizens United does indeed apply to TikTok.

But the CI ruling is also be beside the point, because TikTok here is a publisher. And it's the USERS rights to freedom of speech that is the issue. Not those of TikTok.
 
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No it doesn't. Users are free to use any other platform. No speech is being restricted here.

1st Amendment is a government limitation.
But the other platforms are all US owned. And therefore easily controlled. TikTok is not. And that's the issue. The others have consistently shown themselves in recent years to be compliant on speech issues, and to side with gov't on free speech generally. Also, crucially, the reason TikTok is on the chopping block is because the Dems changed sides due to perceived anti-semitism on TikTok. But of course, it wasn't anti-semitism. It was criticism of the state of Israel for engaging in genocide. We are forcing the sale of TikTok therefore because we don't like ppl saying Israel is engaging in genocide. it's that simple.
 
They should take it up with ByteDance/TikTok directly then, rather than blaming the law. It’s not the law’s responsibility that ByteDance/TikTok opts for a shutdown instead of divestment. If you were affected by a corporation who chooses to disregard the law, would you hold the law accountable or the corporation who chooses to ignore it?
What law are you referring to?
 
And now China will be forced to use meta and x instead. I see that as a significant enhancement.
They can not use X and/or a Meta platform the same way they could have used TikTok. It's not even close.
 
This is not at all to do with Taiwan. That's all propaganda. China can just buy any data it wants right now from Meta and X. There is no military strategic advantage gained by China due to TikTok not being owned by a US company.
Well, that's not true. It's less about data and more about influence. TikTok offers the Chinese government direct unrestricted influence over millions of Americans.
 
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Sure they can. Only now China will have to pay some 💰.

Well, I guess that is somewhat of an improvement since it improves the trade deficit.
If Zuck or Musk ever get caught working for the Chinese government, they better got a lot of money for it.
 
I hate TikTok but it feels like banning an entire website is a serious slippery slope situation.

It isn't a ban, it's a mandatory divestiture that ByteDance/the CCP chose to ignore (query why). Literally every business regulation is predicated on "do this, or your company will be dissolved/banned," so unclear how this is any different.
 
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If Zuck or Musk ever get caught working for the Chinese government, they better got a lot of money for it.
They would be selling an unregulated product. They wouldn’t be responsible for how it’s used. If anything, Trump will give them a medal for selling an American made product to a foreign country.
 
I have no love for TikTok, but I think it’s hilarious they are singling out this one app from one company and citing security concerns and concerns the app may collect personal data and manipulate users. On that basis I would have thought they should be banning about 90% of the industry, starting with TwiXter and FaceMuck.

It's being singled out because it's the only relevant social media app that's owned by a hostile foreign power. That's kinda the whole point.
 
This is not at all to do with Taiwan. That's all propaganda. China can just buy any data it wants right now from Meta and X. There is no military strategic advantage gained by China due to TikTok not being owned by a US company.

Lol seriously? You honestly think there's "no military strategic advantage" to China having a direct line into 200 million American's brainstems if and when they decide to invade Taiwan?
 
How can this be enforced? You can access TikTok via the web. You can use a VPN. Are they just going to yank it from the App store?
 
How can this be enforced? You can access TikTok via the web. You can use a VPN. Are they just going to yank it from the App store?
The ban doesn't apply to accessing the app/service, but getting initial access to it (ie removing it from the app stores). At least this initial law/wave anyway.

Regardless, welcome to a MAJOR increase in tension regarding trade wars and diplomacy. This is a slippery slope in so many ways...
 
While I'm no great fan of TikTok, it does leave pretty much all social media under control of Musk and Zuckerberg, neither of whom seem to care about fostering disinformation.
 
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But they aren’t controlled and that is the problem.
Actually, if you read the Twitter files and Jacob Siegels reporting on Tablet, it is very obvious that they are way too controlled. So much so that they do violate freedom of speech on the regular!

Just read this piece. It explains everything. Totally changed my mind on this issue:

"Since 2016, the federal government has spent billions of dollars on turning the counter-disinformation complex into one of the most powerful forces in the modern world: a sprawling leviathan with tentacles reaching into both the public and private sector, which the government uses to direct a “whole of society” effort that aims to seize total control over the internet and achieve nothing less than the eradication of human error."

 
Well, that's not true. It's less about data and more about influence. TikTok offers the Chinese government direct unrestricted influence over millions of Americans.
Well, firstly, that is not the argument that regulators are using against TikTok. To the contrary, the concern they express is one about national security, data scraping and spying. However, to speak to your point, I have never seen influence by China of this nature. Whereas I see massive evidence of such influence by the governments of the US and Europe.

See this article by Jacob Siegel. While he is a conservative and I am a leftist, I totally agree with him on this:

"Since 2016, the federal government has spent billions of dollars on turning the counter-disinformation complex into one of the most powerful forces in the modern world: a sprawling leviathan with tentacles reaching into both the public and private sector, which the government uses to direct a “whole of society” effort that aims to seize total control over the internet and achieve nothing less than the eradication of human error."

 
Lol seriously? You honestly think there's "no military strategic advantage" to China having a direct line into 200 million American's brainstems if and when they decide to invade Taiwan?
Compared to what we are doing to ourselves? No. There's no evidence to back up what you are saying. Whereas there is tons of evidence that the west is self-submitting to a massive amount of censorship. Why should we worry about China?

See this article by Jacob Siegel. While he is a conservative and I am a leftist, I totally agree with him on this:

"Since 2016, the federal government has spent billions of dollars on turning the counter-disinformation complex into one of the most powerful forces in the modern world: a sprawling leviathan with tentacles reaching into both the public and private sector, which the government uses to direct a “whole of society” effort that aims to seize total control over the internet and achieve nothing less than the eradication of human error."

 
Well, firstly, that is not the argument that regulators are using against TikTok. To the contrary, the concern they express is one about national security, data scraping and spying. However, to speak to your point, I have never seen influence by China of this nature. Whereas I see massive evidence of such influence by the governments of the US and Europe.

See this article by Jacob Siegel. While he is a conservative and I am a leftist, I totally agree with him on this:

"Since 2016, the federal government has spent billions of dollars on turning the counter-disinformation complex into one of the most powerful forces in the modern world: a sprawling leviathan with tentacles reaching into both the public and private sector, which the government uses to direct a “whole of society” effort that aims to seize total control over the internet and achieve nothing less than the eradication of human error."

I have a feeling we are already starting to go in circles. Let me just put it that way. The US, EU and China are not the same concerning the possible influence over American citizens. The US is no adversary/enemy of itself (at least I hope so), the EU definitely is no adversary of the US but China definitely is a adversary of the US and can very quickly become an enemy of the US. So it is of vital importance now to limit and tightly control any influence the Chinese government can exert over the American people.
I'll leave it at that
 
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