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Op is including most, if not all, social media.

I’d personally go a step further than Australia and ban YouTube for <16, requiring accounts for access. I’m sick of the garbage clickbait content monetizing autoplay toddlers. It’ll never happen however, and I’m probably in the minority.
All social media should be 18+ FULL STOP, just like porn sites
 
I have no idea why former apps like Vine haven't resurfaced under these conditions. Especially since Musk owns Vine. It's not like a supervillain to pass at making more money so he can take over the world.
 
I work in marketing, specifically creating vertical videos, and more specifically I mostly create for TikTok, though we have much larger Facebook and IG departments.

The amount of targeting and tracking we have access to on the Meta platforms is insane, meanwhile, we gain almost no data from TT at all.

Might just be me, but I expect that any app I’m using is going to glean any info from me as I’m using it, so I can always choose to not use something like TikTok. But Google and Meta go FAR beyond what happens in their apps and track everything you’re doing everywhere and it’s pretty hard to escape them.

I definitely think this whole ban is in the best interests of the other social media platforms and now Amazon as well, as TikTok Shop is quickly becoming a threat to Amazon.

It’s scary for me and my job and I’m sure it’s scary for a lot of small businesses who have recently found more success on TikTok Shop than Amazon. Just like Amazon now, TT Shop is overloaded with drop-shipped Chinese brands with fake sounding names, but there are also plenty of real small businesses finding success getting their product out there directly via TikTok. For instance, I just bought my cat a giant exercise wheel made by a small company in California called One Fast Cat. For companies like them, TikTok is one of the only marketplaces outside of Amazon available and I’m sure they’re happy to diversify to finally rely just a little less on the whims of Amazon.
 
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The critical element is “supposed to be”. Sadly, The current political trend definitely appears to be in the opposite direction.
If “the current political trend” is opposite to the totalitarian control and punishment of dissenters that occurred in the prior political trend, then we are definitely headed in the correct direction.


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They want to limit Chinese propaganda but that will also limit US citizens streaming live coverage of events and news stories. I think back during some riots a few years ago, I saw a lot more on TikTok than I did on the evening news.
I don’t want to guess how old you are but people livestreamed events long before Tik Tok existed. Facebook live, Twitter, Periscope, YouTube live all did this before Tik Tok. The Arab Spring for example was live-streamed on Facebook live at the time.

The biggest brainwash of all on Tik Tok is people being made to think they need Tik Tok. It made itself indispensable, or at least appeared to be.

The close second biggest brainwash is people relying on Tik Tok for news which is at the core of the danger that this app represents. Its algorithm is controlled by the west’s biggest adversary and people turn to it for information. How people completely miss how dangerous this is is stupefying.
 
There's also privacy concerns I have over state required online ID checks for social media.

Anonymous speech is free speech, and free speech can't exist without a right to speak with anonymity. Requiring ID checks to use social media is an infringement on the right to anonymous speech.
but social media isnt free speech.

it's a PUBLISHING tool.
and publishing needs to meet stricter guidelines of what is acceptable to say.
"free speech" doesnt override defamation. or hate laws. or anti-discrimination laws.

we get angry posters in Australia who dont even know we have no free speech in our Constitution. :)

whatever you say online can come back to haunt you.
there are consequences that might be unpleasant for you.

and you dont have to use these tools. it's not essential to life.

anonymous cyber bullying is a huge issue and costing lives. something needs to be done.

there are posters on here who have been stalked by other posters who disagree with them.
like looking up their home addresses. and gloating about it. that's the reality we live in today.
 
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Free market means free market. This is a slippery slope showing what the next 4 to 20 years are going to be like. History repeats itself and we are almost on track to repeat Germanys mistakes….
the parallels to 1930s Germany are obvious.
watch any documentary on the rise of Nazi Germany and you will see exactly the same social issues: hate on groups, a swing to the right, blame immigrants, nationalism/protectionism. cost of living.

you watch and go "how did they let that happen?" and all the while the same thing repeats now.
 
If “the current political trend” is opposite to the totalitarian control and punishment of dissenters that occurred in the prior political trend, then we are definitely headed in the correct direction.


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do you have any copies of the posts removed?

it could easily have been offensive or criminal posts.
unless you can provide them we will never know it is for good or bad reasons...
 
but social media isnt free speech.

it's a PUBLISHING tool.
and publishing needs to meet stricter guidelines of what is acceptable to say.
"free speech" doesnt override defamation. or hate laws. or anti-discrimination laws.
Yes, it is a publishing tool. But here in the US we have a right to anonymity when making public statements. In other words, the government is not allowed to demand that you give up your identity when making statements protected by the first amendment.
 
I never understood why anyone would install this app.

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Why does a mindless source of "stupid people tricks" need to hoover up all this data? Yes, others like Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. hoover as well, but TikTok is like handing all your data straight to Pooh Bear.
correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you need to give them permission to access that data?
 
That’s fine with me. Sites Apps can implement a handshake with licenses in Apple Wallet currently. This doesn’t store your personal information on random servers.
Either way, privacy is pretty much a figment of imagination at this point. If you’re concerned about sharing your age (and whatever information may be tied to it) then don’t visit the site.
I’m not worried about a data leak scandal from an affair website as a non-user.

Edit: Verify with Wallet is for apps, not websites. However, I could see Apple building a web version if ID verification becomes more prevalent.
Apple is one company, and the government would dictate which verification method and metric to use. Take Digital IDs for example. I would love to have the ability to use Apple’s implementation, but alas, I live in Florida and they keep giving digital ID responsibility to **** companies with **** apps. And while I sort of agree privacy is much like TSA security, an illusion, that doesn’t mean we have to willingly give it up.
 
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Why is the government involved in my right to choose crack for my kids, let alone myself? Social media carries similar compulsive behavior, along with the hits of dopamine. Why can’t we have both?
Social media, crack, sugar, exercise, reading, tv, movies, rollercoasters… let’s make a list of all the things that can cause “hits of dopamine” and use them in a straw man argument, shall we.
 
This is irrelevant to verification for porn sites. Children are barred from entering adult bookstores, and IDs are checked at a variety of stores. Verify with Wallet is used for car rentals, alcohol-related purchases, and similar… not for social media (afaik). You may extrapolate the premise to other sites, but I’m not talking about them in my posts.
We can address the explosion in underage visitors to porn sites without “muh privacy” of regular websites.
The issue is the implications that ID checks have on anonymous speech. There is no option to just visit another site if ID checks are law. If an individual site wants to check for IDs okay, but the issue is the state requiring it for ALL social platforms.

If there is no anonymous speech, that opens the door for possibly being attacked by the government for being critical of a certain policy online. That's why anonymous speech has enjoyed constitutional protection for a long time.
The point I made, poorly, wasn’t that porn sites check IDs (they dont) but that checking ids for the purposes of speech is problematic. Apple Fan made my point much clearer than I did.
 
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I never understood why anyone would install this app.

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Why does a mindless source of "stupid people tricks" need to hoover up all this data? Yes, others like Meta, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. hoover as well, but TikTok is like handing all your data straight to Pooh Bear.
Anybody who would install Facebook, which has similar personal data privacy policies.
 
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