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Doesn’t joining the Find My network require the developers to not use their own app?

That feels like an obvious attempt from Apple to put a massive roadblock up for these companies who may want to include their own functionality, leaving airtags the only game in town. There aren’t restrictions like that with using the Home app, why apply them here if the goal is to open this functionality up to third-party products? Idk, it’s getting harder and harder to argue Apple cares about the user experience when so many decisions are made to keep their users trapped.
I’m not so sure about that, Vanmoof is part of the Find My Network and they still have their own app where you can track your bike.
 
What is “FAIR” is subjective and is often determined based on whether or not things play in your favor. Tile is expected to put up a fight. They just need to prepared to pivot after they lose.
 
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As a Apple fanboy for decades - I'm sticking with Tile. Obvi Airtags will prove to be better but idk, out of all the Apple controversies right now - this one rubs me the wrong way.
 
I’m not so sure about that, Vanmoof is part of the Find My Network and they still have their own app where you can track your bike.
Well I'm sure Vanmoof isn't charging you to track your Bike through their app.

No company is going to have a paid tracking service through their own app and a free one through a built in app.
 
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Many of you fall for the illusion of competition. There's no competition. It's predatory.

Tile has a non choice. It can keep its own network and stay off Find My. But Apple won't give Tile the keys to have their network be as robust as Find My. E.g., they could figure out a solution to extend the iPhone/BluetoothLE pings for Tile's network, but they wont.

So then Tile's forced off their network onto Find My. But once on Find My, Apple products are again privileged with special abilities.

I'm not arguing Tile on the merits. Maybe it's the best product on Earth, maybe it's the worst. I don't care. The point is they can't build the best product because of Apple's 3rd party restrictions.

And if your response is "if you don't like it, go build your own cell phone company!", that argument is reductionist and absurd.

I love Apple as much as the next, but many of you are Apple sycophants. They are behaving as a cartel.
Apple is privileged. What in the actual bonkers? As if they are gifted? They built their network. They own the network. That’s call building your product. I wonder how many believe they are privileged to own a phone. 😅😅. Stay well.
 
After watching MKBHD's video on Tile's options, the future looks pretty bleak for them.
I still use a 3rd party flashlight app called “light” because you can program it to strobe on launch. I turn it on and put the iPhone in my shirt pocket when picking up food and have to walk between cars in the drive thru.
 
Tile needs work with 5g cell tower manufacturers so they are integrated into their network since there’s a tower every block.
 
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Cry me a river. This is nothing but, "We can't compete by offering a better product so we want our competition banned."

Over the years, Apple took many of the things we'd developed and integrated them into their products like macOS. Did we cry about it? Nope, we just found ways to make ours better and more appealing.

The only people looking to ban competition are those that know they can't offer something that's competitive.
 
The Find My iPhone app and Find My Friends app have been around for a long time - 2010 & 2011, according to Wikipedia. They were merged into the Find My app in 2019.

Prober is being misleading when he says the Find My app (and by implication, its functionality) debuted in 2019.

Find My AirPods functionality was added to Find my iPhone in iOS 10.3 in March 2017. I think the Find My Network debuted in 2019 with iOS 13 & the Find My app, improving how people find their iPhones, iPads, Macs, and AirPods by securely leveraging Apple devices in a mesh finding network. Earlier in 2021, the Find My Network was opened up to developers; new third party trackers are on the market. And now, of course, Apple has released the AirTag.

Tile was founded in December 2012. Tiles can ping nearby Tile app users - the app tells Tile, which then sends the location to the Tile’s owner’s Tile app. Privacy & security characteristics of the Tile system are unknown. They began charging monthly for full access to their Tile app network at some point.
 
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Apple is doing the equivalent of what Amazon has been doing to sellers on their marketplace. Adopt/recreate a smaller company's product and give it distinct advantages (in Amazon's case: search results placement, "recommended", and price).
I think Apple makes great products, and given equivalent capabilities between Tile and AirTags, most people would choose Apple's product. Especially so when considering the reoccurring costs of Tile. Apple going beyond competition to hurt competitors.
 
if you can, compete, if you can't whine about it! The perfect solution for tile is to open their app to all trackers, make it way better than anyone else's app and they win!
 
Apple is privileged. What in the actual bonkers? As if they are gifted? They built their network. They own the network. That’s call building your product. I wonder how many believe they are privileged to own a phone. 😅😅. Stay well.
Interesting how they are "priveleged" to not have to ask a single user for permission to allow their phone to be used by other people to track their bikes, but need to make everyone opt in to ad tracking.
 
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This crowd you speak of seems to have grown stronger over the last few years. Of course, it is hard to know who is behind the keyboard of these comments but I'd suspect they might be inexperienced at seeing the bigger picture. Apple is great - at the same time, pretty much all they do is to lock users in tighter and tighter. Either play by their rules or don't... and get lost. There is no grey space and no arbitration process via some independent institution like in the case of Tile and the FindMy network exclusivity. This is why the anticompetitive hearings currently going on are somewhat important towards determining the near-term direction of the industry. Microsoft, and then Google, got hammered earlier on and perhaps it is now Apple's turn. Power is great as it can shape industries for the better but it can also discourage innovation from smaller startups due to the enormous moats built out by the incumbents over many years. The Apple sweethearts/sycophants seem to believe that the only place from whence innovative ideas can spring forth is 1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino. If anything, this crowd is just repeating monopolistic capitalist apologia. Again, I am a huge fan of the company's progress and products but at some point, overwhelming power is overwhelming. In an ironic way, perhaps the voices saying 'Apple took the risks and now has the right to take their reward' should switch to calling for the reduction of the company's power in order to allow the next behemoth to take over. After all, new standards and products mean all new ecosystems to buy into! Just think of how great that will be for the economy... :rolleyes:
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As the saying goes “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
 
Apple is doing the equivalent of what Amazon has been doing to sellers on their marketplace. Adopt/recreate a smaller company's product and give it distinct advantages (in Amazon's case: search results placement, "recommended", and price).
I think Apple makes great products, and given equivalent capabilities between Tile and AirTags, most people would choose Apple's product. Especially so when considering the reoccurring costs of Tile. Apple going beyond competition to hurt competitors.
Like Samsung?
 
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so Apple should develop, build and maintain an entire backend network for their potential competitors to use…for fun?
Doesn’t joining the Find My network require the developers to not use their own app?

That feels like an obvious attempt from Apple to put a massive roadblock up for these companies who may want to include their own functionality, leaving airtags the only game in town. There aren’t restrictions like that with using the Home app, why apply them here if the goal is to open this functionality up to third-party products? Idk, it’s getting harder and harder to argue Apple cares about the user experience when so many decisions are made to keep their users trapped.
 
So the lesson learned here is: don't have the bulk of your business model (Tile) rely on another company (Apple) for long term success

Unless your business plan (Tile) is to eventually be purchased by that company (Apple)?

iPhone customers want apple products because they know they work best together. That's Apple's business model.

Tile is platform agnostic, so maybe they'll have to ramp up the reasoning why Apple and Android users should buy them.
 
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