??? I wonder why every review says the airtag has superior quality? Odd...and the child safety concerns are dumb. The reviews complained that while the Apple battery compartment opened in the same manner as some others like tile’s it was more difficult to get open (by Adults). This was an actual complaint, so how is Apple’s a concern and the ones that are easier to open with the same battery are not?
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Tile CEO: 'We Welcome Competition From Apple, But We Think It Needs to Be Fair'
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This is what happens when your entire product relies on someone else’s platform. It’s a risk that the platform owner would create something that matches the utility of your product. Eg. Flashlight apps on both iOS and Android.
It would be hard for Tile. If I were them, I would save up whatever remaining cash I have and try to come up with something new instead of wasting it on litigations. It won’t go anywhere since Apple smartly opened up the Find My network.p for 3rd parties.
It would be hard for Tile. If I were them, I would save up whatever remaining cash I have and try to come up with something new instead of wasting it on litigations. It won’t go anywhere since Apple smartly opened up the Find My network.p for 3rd parties.
And Tile weren't even the first ones.
I was there when there was TrackR. Before Tile. I bought one immediately when they came out. I LOVED the concept. And the first ones actually looked really classy - I had one in teal metallic. User-replaceable battery.
But it never took off. Because the main point was crowd-sourcing. But hardly anyone had the app, even knew about TrackR. So it was kind of pointless outside your own home (and within range of your phone). The app was total crap.
Then Tile came around (there actually was a lawsuit that they stole the idea, go figure), but I didn't switch, because I was suspecting the same limitations. And then they started charging for their service...
I know quite a number of people who had Tiles at one point or another and none of them had good experiences. Both with the devices functionality nor the app.
Tile's been around for years but apparently never felt the need to *actually* improve their product. They felt comfortable in their position thinking they're the only such product on the market, so people would have no other choice then to go with them...
You forgot they are building their ecosystem/mafia market on top of citizens that belongs to many nations on planet earth. Apple could take their money build a rocket, launch it, search for a new planet where they can squeeze habitants as much they want. On planet earth they will have to obey to many rules, judges around the globe will decide.
Yeah, but they can't innovate, and thats why they will never lift off from here.
You never hear tyre manufacturers talk like this.
Competition is good competition. If you've built an ecosystem that your products can fit in to, you've every right to leverage it as much as you like. It's all in your own house.
Competition is good competition. If you've built an ecosystem that your products can fit in to, you've every right to leverage it as much as you like. It's all in your own house.
So, depending on whose numbers you believe, Apple commands 20-30% of the global smartphone market, and yet somehow their "unfair" competition poses an existential threat to Tile? Not buying it. The Tile CEO knows full well that publicly whining about "Apple" and "unfair" in the same sentence will generate loads of clickbait-y headlines and free publicity. He also realizes/ hopes it might encourage unwanted attention and intervention from various competition authorities around the world. Who's competing unfairly?
Exactly - I hate it for the Tile Company... but this is Apple's playbook and has been for years. Tile either needs to adapt and create something different than AirTags, or expect to be written off into oblivion just like countless other companies and products... Anybody remember the JooJoo? Nope - because they couldn't compete.
They didn’t have to open it period. Tile will thankfully get run out of business by competitors other than Apple who will use the network and the better Apple designed and more secure network. Some API should never be in the wild.
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"I hate that Porsche makes me only use 93 octane premium gas on their cars." Well, that is why there is Kia, Nissan, Subaru. Not happy with Apple, buy a flip phone and stop complaining.
Outside of "tech," what other product manufacturers provide access to software by others? Your microwave oven? Your thermostat? Your car? I do not understand the presumption of full access to any tech platform, like some sort of Constitutional right. At home and at work, I am surrounded by devices and instruments where there is no easy route to installing my own software, and I do not feel deprived of any "right" to do so. Is Honeywell acting non-competitively because I cannot install a competitor's app on my thermostat?! I think not.
So tile will open their network for any developer? Can we use their app but with products that we develop and obviously without paying any subscription?
I never said anything about netflix and its irrelevant to my comment. My point was about Apple abusing their position in the market and Apple TV+ was free for what? A year, which got extended? No other subscription service, including Disney+, offered that. Also there are plenty of things these days that you should just have to buy once and forget, but the subscription model is the go-to model in the industry, and Tile has to keep the lights on, and $ to spend on R&D for a device that you buy what, once every 1, 2, 3 years?
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I never give any app "always allow" not going to happen. I only select "allow only when using"
It’s not about opening up the platform per se, Apple has entered into a ‘new market’ place with Airtags, leveraging the power of an existing monopolistic market share (iPhones and iOS) which by definition is ‘anti-competitive’ and nearly always bad for consumers.
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doesn’t Tile not work with Android then?
go be Androids Tile, Tile.
doesn’t Tile not work with Android then?
go be Androids Tile, Tile.
And you still buy their products, right? That is the problem today. People complain and cry about everything but forget they are the ones causing the problems they complain about. Look at the current top 6 most valuable companies in the world and you will see that 5 are US technology companies that many people hate: Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon and Google. So, 5 of the 6 most valuable companies in the world are hatted by most. Stop buying Apple products, stop buying Microsoft products, stop posting on Facebook, stop shopping on Amazon and stop searching on Google. Simple as that and all those companies would disappear.
Who’s “they”? Certainly not a 2 trillion dollar company with products that have devastated the competition and continue to evolve with the likes of the Airtags being introduced.
Well, I mean, it’s commons sense. You’re sick of common sense, yeah? If you spend your blood sweat and tears to build a stadium that millions of folks visit weekly, should I be able to able to use your stadium for free? OR, would you want me to pay you? OR, would you want me to get the government to force you to let me use your stadium for free? OR, actually, what would your “solution” in that case be?
Apple has invited him to bring his product to their ecosystem. I don’t think he can expect more than that.
Wow, that was deep. Earth, Space, Aliens, Rockets, all in one post.
= Apple's next Life form to target.
He's not at all wrong.
This is exactly the anticompetitive behavior we complained about when Microsoft was doing it - leveraging their monopoly platform position to gain market power in office productivity software, web browsers, etc.
Look at HomeKit. Apple makes the Home app, but most of the apps for the individual HomeKit devices I have present their own UI for the entire home. Now, most of those UIs are crappier than Apple's, but the point is that they're allowed to do it.
The fact is, Apple has to walk a very fine line between the walled garden being good for customers and being anti-competitive. And history has shown more than once that they're not always very good at it.
This is exactly the anticompetitive behavior we complained about when Microsoft was doing it - leveraging their monopoly platform position to gain market power in office productivity software, web browsers, etc.
Look at HomeKit. Apple makes the Home app, but most of the apps for the individual HomeKit devices I have present their own UI for the entire home. Now, most of those UIs are crappier than Apple's, but the point is that they're allowed to do it.
The fact is, Apple has to walk a very fine line between the walled garden being good for customers and being anti-competitive. And history has shown more than once that they're not always very good at it.
All of these companies claiming that Apple is being unfair - turn the argument on it's head. So Apple are NOT allowed to create a piece of hardware that works with their platform and OS, just BECAUSE they own the platform and OS, in case that might give them an unfair advantage over others? That position would be incredibly unfair to Apple. Apple can invest huge amounts of money to create the phone and it's OS, but they're NOT allowed to leverage that to make other items, such as watches, headphones, glasses etc that work with the eco-system. Just because that might be unfair to someone else?
For example, do you see Bowers & Wilkins, Bose, Sony, Bang, or any of the myriad other headphone manufacturers whining? No. Because they compete on features and value for money. All Apple's wearable audio products feature incredibly easy pairing that other manufacturers cannot offer because that part of the system is closed to them. Unfair advantage to Apple? It's certainly an advantage. But it is most definitely not unfair. They built the damned system. But it's just a part of the functionality. There are plenty of other reasons for the consumer to favour, say, B&W over Beats, regardless of the nifty pairing. And so those companies still have a market.
If Tile focused on innovating and added features that might make people want to purchase their products, then they would do well. The U1 capabilities are not everything. Just a part of the tracking solution.
Stop whining Tile. Go do something positive and prove everyone on here that they're wrong, and that you do have a survivable business model.
For example, do you see Bowers & Wilkins, Bose, Sony, Bang, or any of the myriad other headphone manufacturers whining? No. Because they compete on features and value for money. All Apple's wearable audio products feature incredibly easy pairing that other manufacturers cannot offer because that part of the system is closed to them. Unfair advantage to Apple? It's certainly an advantage. But it is most definitely not unfair. They built the damned system. But it's just a part of the functionality. There are plenty of other reasons for the consumer to favour, say, B&W over Beats, regardless of the nifty pairing. And so those companies still have a market.
If Tile focused on innovating and added features that might make people want to purchase their products, then they would do well. The U1 capabilities are not everything. Just a part of the tracking solution.
Stop whining Tile. Go do something positive and prove everyone on here that they're wrong, and that you do have a survivable business model.
So Tile should not call them out for anti-competitive behavior while they market this service as totally open to third-party…. also for fun?