Tim Cook Addresses George Floyd's Death and Ensuing Protests and Riots as Apple Temporarily Closes Some U.S. Stores

[BvizioN]

This has absolutely nothing to do with race. It’s power structure of a corrupt government arm that gets away with actual crimes constantly with zero oversight or accountability, and the luxury of operating behind closed doors. Police have no problem ruining your life no matter what color you are.

It appears to me that law abiding citizens seem to be just fine with the police since really....they don’t have to deal with the police that much anyway. Yes, there are some corrupted cops and some really bad ones. But after following the events of the last few days, I can’t even imagine what it would be living without the police. We clearly don’t share the same view so let’s just agree to disagree.

 

[roland.g]

This has absolutely nothing to do with race. It’s power structure of a corrupt government arm that gets away with actual crimes constantly with zero oversight or accountability, and the luxury of operating behind closed doors. Police have no problem ruining your life no matter what color you are.
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right. Is that why they don’t speak out against the bad cops? Is that why they enable them?

Nice deflection. Way to focus on that. Many cops are speaking out against him and not enabling him. Sorry to see you believe in mass stereotyping.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

I am quite frankly sick of the hypocrisy of this crook old man's bulldust. Smooth talk, but I simply don't believe you. Hurry up and move on.

 

[tongxinshe]

So you wake up one night and someone has just broken into you house or apartment. Don’t call 911 call an attorney.

You’ll be dead body before someone found you, and that “someone” may well likely not cops, if you totally rely on the cops to save you.
A friend of mine had two instances of that, cops didn’t go to the site for more than 5 hours. One cop clearly told him that no one would ever investigate the case, the ONLY purpose of the case is for insurance claim.

 

[stevet]

Yeah, sure Tim, preach it.

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Those destroying property are not protesters, in fact, its opportunistic criminals hiding behind the protests. Another thing to keep in mind the same racists that people are protesting against are actually doing the vandalising and looting to make the peaceful protesters speaking their minds look bad. So, please, stop looking at this within an ignorant context. Even a famous white YouTuber got caught in the looting.

"to keep in mind the same racists that people are protesting against are actually doing the vandalising and looting". Absolute false statement and not even close to being true across the board. These types of comments are not productive at all. It's like me saying "75% of police killings are cops on whites".

 

[roland.g]

Yeah, sure Tim, preach it.

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"to keep in mind the same racists that people are protesting against are actually doing the vandalising and looting". Absolute false statement and not even close to being true across the board. These types of comments are not productive at all. It's like me saying "75% of police killings are cops on whites".

37% of those killed last year by cops were white.
23% were black.
16% were hispanic.
4% were other.
20% are unknown/undefined.

And the number of black people killed by cops is approx 250.

None of the people protesting, looting or rioting or marching under the banner of BLM are protesting the 7,300+ blacks who died from homicides last year. They are only protesting the 250 or so killed by police. I agree that George Floyd should not have been killed and his killer should be tried and suffer the consequences. I also know that while I don't know how many of that 250 number who died because of cops died like George Floyd, needlessly, I know that many of them likely died due to the fact that they engaged police with lethal force. So it is difficult to understand that statistic. Understand that we have systemic racism and that it invades some but not all of the police. But I still do not get why there is NO outrage over the regular homicide rate of blacks, only the police killings. Seems like BLM should focus on the 7,300 other lost lives too.

 

[laptech]

37% of those killed last year by cops were white.
23% were black.
16% were hispanic.
4% were other.
20% are unknown/undefined.

And the number of black people killed by cops is approx 250.

None of the people protesting, looting or rioting or marching under the banner of BLM are protesting the 7,300+ blacks who died from homicides last year. They are only protesting the 250 or so killed by police. I agree that George Floyd should not have been killed and his killer should be tried and suffer the consequences. I also know that while I don't know how many of that 250 number who died because of cops died like George Floyd, needlessly, I know that many of them likely died due to the fact that they engaged police with lethal force. So it is difficult to understand that statistic. Understand that we have systemic racism and that it invades some but not all of the police. But I still do not get why there is NO outrage over the regular homicide rate of blacks, only the police killings. Seems like BLM should focus on the 7,300 other lost lives too.

Which is why BLM should be categorized as a race hate group because they only care about white on black deaths and white police on black deaths. There are black police on black deaths, there are also black on black deaths but BLM never protest about them, only when whites are involved.

 

[makitango]

For people who want to show others how much they care, they could at least acknowledge that it was murder rather than „just“ killing. A person can kill another while not actually doing anything in a sense of the butterfly effect and/or chain reaction, or an accident. Intentionally killing someone (which it clearly was) is, by definition, murder. One of the greatest injustice and disrespect is to downplay it.

 

[miniyou64]

(Sadly)Nothing will change, it will be business as usual in a couple of weeks, same goes for gun violence, Covid-19, Climate change, overpopulation .... and so on.

there is no overpopulation. There’s a population decline

 

[justperry]

there is no overpopulation. There’s a population decline

Erm....what ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[TeamMojo]

For Tim Cook normal is using a blind eye to the use of inhumane chinese labor. For Tim Cook normal is an all all male, all white leadership team. He regular quotes an idolizes MLK, but rarely, or truly practices any of his values. Tim Cook isn't a humanitarian. He's a capitalist posing as a humaniatarian, when it is to his financial advantage. When it is in his and his companies best interests.

"“Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty [and] has created conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few.” - MLK

This is false. There are women and people of color on the Apple leadership team.

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[Lowhangers]

For Tim Cook normal is using a blind eye to the use of inhumane chinese labor. For Tim Cook normal is an all all male, all white leadership team. He regular quotes an idolizes MLK, but rarely, or truly practices any of his values. Tim Cook isn't a humanitarian. He's a capitalist posing as a humaniatarian, when it is to his financial advantage. When it is in his and his companies best interests.

"“Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty [and] has created conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few.” - MLK

Apple's hypocrisy is hilarious, as you said the board and management team is overwhelmingly white male, but the Apple groupies still buy into the company's rhetoric. Some people are just born stupid and never grow out of it.

If Tim Cook told them to eat their own poop, they'd do it.
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This is false. There are women and people of color on the Apple leadership team.

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White women, you mean. Let me repeat in all caps so you can understand: APPLE'S BOARD AND MANAGEMENT TEAM IS COMPRISED OVERWHELMINGLY OF WHITE MALES.

There, did you get that? A few token white women, an asian women, etc. do not cover up the fact that white males run Apple.

One more time so it sinks in: WHITE MALES.

 

[simonmet]

SOME. How SOME cops really are.

I’m concerned about the extent to which comments like these (and many others in this thread) underestimate and undermine the extent of change that has to happen within the culture of police. I’d go so far as to suggest they actively promote the status quo, which is not only unacceptable but extremely offensive; and it’s why many people are protesting.

It is not “just a few bad eggs”. The “few bad eggs” have been arrested and charged in the past and yet deaths and assaults from police against black people, the mentally ill and the community at large (it’s not just a black issue though they are significantly more affected) have happened on many occasions and will continue to happen unless there is a significant cultural shift and change of policies and practices within policing. The protests are because people have had enough and are calling for this change.

Why for instance did that officer shoot dead an unarmed Australian woman who had called the police for help regarding a possible assault? There are literally hundreds if not thousands of similar cases, many of whom don’t make it to the news.

 

[JayMysterio]

I’m concerned about the extent to which comments like these (and many others in this thread) underestimate and undermine the extent of change that has to happen within the culture of police. I’d go so far as to suggest they actively promote the status quo, which is not only unacceptable but extremely offensive; and it’s why many people are protesting.

It is not “just a few bad eggs”. The “few bad eggs” have been arrested and charged in the past and yet deaths and assaults from police against black people, the mentally ill and the community at large (it’s not just a black issue though they are significantly more affected) have happened on many occasions and will continue to happen unless there is a significant cultural shift and change of policies and practices within policing. The protests are because people have had enough and are calling for this change.

Why for instance did that officer shoot dead an unarmed Australian woman who had called the police for help regarding a possible assault? There are literally hundreds if not thousands of similar cases, many of whom don’t make it to the news.

To speed things along, I'm the last person ( If you've been to PRSI ) that would be accused of defending the police or about maintaining a status quo.

Police officers are like the people protesting, rioting, and/or doing nothing. They are not a monolith. They are individuals. Some are genuinely interested in helping out, some just want to make it to retirement, some are seeking success in other fields after a few years, some have a _ on for confrontation, some are former military who saw this as the only progression, some are completely ill suited to be in law enforcement. But it is some. Some. NOT all are bad or good. Some are each, others perhaps indifferent, or degrees of bad/good.

Yes there are many cases. Are there hundreds if not thousands I don't really know. If there are I haven't documented them, and I have a thread that literally in PRSI that goes over the 💩 Black people have to deal with, much of it from the police. I haven't seen it in the thousands yet, but that maybe because it's kept from our eyes. I also know there are plenty of men & women of Color who serve in the Police, and to paint them with a brush so wide you could cover Apple's Campus in one pass is unfair.

So if you want to give me the lecture on what Black people face with the police, please go right ahead, I'm always here to listen. I just ask you do what I do when discussing such matters in PRSI, bring your facts, not your generalities.


...And I literally just got done posting to NOT forget Breonna Taylor.

 

[simonmet]

To speed things along, I'm the last person ( If you've been to PRSI ) that would be accused of defending the police or about maintaining a status quo.

Police officers are like the people protesting, rioting, and/or doing nothing. They are not a monolith. They are individuals. Some are genuinely interested in helping out, some just want to make it to retirement, some are seeking success in other fields after a few years, some have a _ on for confrontation, some are former military who saw this as the only progression, some are completely ill suited to be in law enforcement. But it is some. Some. NOT all are bad or good. Some are each, others perhaps indifferent, or degrees of bad/good.

Yes there are many cases. Are there hundreds if not thousands I don't really know. If there are I haven't documented them, and I have a thread that literally in PRSI that goes over the 💩 Black people have to deal with, much of it from the police. I haven't seen it in the thousands yet, but that maybe because it's kept from our eyes. I also know there are plenty of men & women of Color who serve in the Police, and to paint them with a brush so wide you could cover Apple's Campus in one pass is unfair.

So if you want to give me the lecture on what Black people face with the police, please go right ahead, I'm always here to listen. I just ask you do what I do when discussing such matters in PRSI, bring your facts, not your generalities.


...And I literally just got done posting to NOT forget Breonna Taylor.

I’m basing my comments on that which I quoted, which came across as defensive of police. I’m entitled to my opinion, as you are yours. I read this long comment of yours but I struggle to see any coherent thread of argument. You might benefit from writing more clearly and succinctly.

I’m also quite happy to lecture at this point because we’re past we’re past the point of niceties in this problem of authoritarian violence (which extends far beyond your local police force). It’s time to get angry, and we should be permitted that; so long as it’s directed in a safe and law-abiding manner and not falling into the trap that not just “some” but many police engage in.

Look at the excessive use of force (and indeed assaults) to move protestors and media to clear a path for Trump for his photo opportunity a few days ago.

 

[JayMysterio]

I’m basing my comments on that which I quoted. I’m entitled to my opinion, as you are yours. I read this long comment of yours but I struggle to see any coherent thread of argument. You might benefit from writing more clearly and succinctly.

I’m also quite happy to lecture at this point because we’re past we’re past the point of niceties in this problem of authoritarian violence (which extends far beyond your local police force). It’s time to get angry, and we should be permitted that; so long as it’s directed in a safe and law-abiding manner and not falling into the trap that not just “some” but many police engage in.

Look at the excessive use of force (and indeed assaults) to move protestors and media to clear a path for Trump for his photo opportunity a few days ago.

Sorry. Lots of words bad. Got it.

If you are going to make claims. Use facts, not generalities.

Fewer words. Less struggle.

 

[simonmet]

Sorry. Lots of words bad. Got it.

If you are going to make claims. Use facts, not generalities.

Fewer words. Less struggle.

I didn’t say that, so stop making things up. I made a comment on your ability to write so much that means so little: incoherent rambling.

Which facts are you debating? That there’s a widespread problem in the culture of policing? That we need a quick and drastic change? That there are many bad cops, and that many good ones get dragged and indoctrinated into a culture of superiority, chauvinism, excessive use of force and unaccountability?

There is no problem in the amount you or anyone else writes, only in the amount of useless waffle that (in my opinion) indirectly supports or implies “minimal change necessary” or that the system is working because these cops were eventually arrested only after widespread protests.

Do you deny that innocent protesters and police were assaulted by Trump security forces?

I can debate you until the cows come home, but I’m more concerned about everyone that is affected by a deeply problematic justice system and culture of authoritarianism that exists in the US; and to a lesser extent (to varying degrees) in other countries, including my own.

From what I’ve heard, justice in the US is sick, and I’m not just talking about police and the criminal justice system (three strikes policy, highest incarceration rate in the world), but the political system (gerrymandering, super PACs, politicians for hire).

I never said there are no good cops!

 

[JayMysterio]

I didn’t say that, so stop making things up. I made a comment on your ability to write so much that means so little: incoherent rambling.

Which facts are you debating? That there’s a widespread problem in the culture of policing? That we need a quick and drastic change. That there are many bad cops, and the good ones get dragged and indoctrinated into this culture of superiority, chauvinism, excessive use of force and unaccountability?

There is no problem in the amount you or anyone writes, only in the amount of useless waffle that indirectly supports or implies “minimal change necessary” or that the system is working because these cops were eventually arrested only after widespread protests?

Do you deny that innocent protesters and police were assaulted by Trump security forces?

I can debate you until the cows come home, but I’m more concerned about everyone that is affected a deeply problematic justice system and culture of authoritarianism!

In all that writing that was so much for you. I did mention how I wonder if it was really hundreds or thousands ( fact ), or if you were exaggerating for effect. Sorry if it was lost in words.

I've made it clear, there's a problem. I also made it clear that I object to the wide casting of police officers as bad.

Whether or not protestors were attacked ( were ), doesn't apply to your original comment I questioned.

NOT all police are prone to brutality, just as all protestors are NOT looters or rioters.

Simple.

 

[simonmet]

In all that writing that was so much for you. I did mention how I wonder if it was really hundreds or thousands ( fact ), or if you were exaggerating for effect. Sorry if it was lost in words.

I've made it clear, there's a problem. I also made it clear that I object to the wide casting of police officers as bad.

Whether or not protestors were attacked ( were ), doesn't apply to your original comment I questioned.

NOT all police are prone to brutality, just as all protestors are NOT looters or rioters.

Simple.

https://imgur.com/a/rv9vdOl

 

[JayMysterio]

https://imgur.com/a/rv9vdOl

Yes. That is an incident by the police during the protests. We’ve covered it 3x in PRSI. It isn’t one of the “hundred s or thousands” of incidents you alluded to that led to the protests.

 

[I7guy]

Apple's hypocrisy is hilarious, as you said the board and management team is overwhelmingly white male, but the Apple groupies still buy into the company's rhetoric. Some people are just born stupid and never grow out of it.

If Tim Cook told them to eat their own poop, they'd do it.
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White women, you mean. Let me repeat in all caps so you can understand: APPLE'S BOARD AND MANAGEMENT TEAM IS COMPRISED OVERWHELMINGLY OF WHITE MALES.

There, did you get that? A few token white women, an asian women, etc. do not cover up the fact that white males run Apple.

One more time so it sinks in: WHITE MALES.

(White) women aren't good enough to meet diversity requirements? It is true 11/16 of the management team listed are white men. But unless one leaves, the position is not getting replaced. Is Apple supposed to fire it's managers to make people happy? (hyperbolic I know, but I expect this to change as the team changes over time)

 

[V_Man]

Because Tim is an American citizen who believes in the right of free speech, regardless of his leadership of Apple.

Tim is the CEO of Apple. His only concern is Apple. Period the end.
All this political grandstanding is simply because it makes Apple looks good in the states. Tim ignores other counties racism becomes of money.

 

[DakotaGuy]

(Sadly)Nothing will change, it will be business as usual in a couple of weeks, same goes for gun violence, Covid-19, Climate change, overpopulation .... and so on.

Covid-19 should be allowed to spread freely if we are worried about overpopulation. Gun control is pretty much a non-issue right now as people realize the police are corrupt and you really can’t count on them for protection.

 

[I7guy]

Tim is the CEO of Apple. His only concern is Apple. Period the end.
All this political grandstanding is simply because it makes Apple looks good in the states. Tim ignores other counties racism becomes of money.

He's done more than the people who are criticizing him.

 

[R2FX]

You obviously never got it, ;the 1984 ad showing a lone female vigilante (Macintosh) fighting against the establishment what message was that sending out?

I might also add, Jobs was concerned and spoke to Rupert Murdoch about FOX News and the wrong message that network sends out.

So back to this being about Jobs never took up social issues, the whole idea of the company being about social change. Some of you just want to hijack Apples history for your own good since many of you started using Apple products this morning or otherwise known as the Apple Watch generation.

I usually don't fall for the 'somebody is wrong on the internet' but you asked for it. Your initial reply on Jobs being social was

Huh, ever seen those Think Different ads?

Those ads had NOTHING to do with social justice. It's you who's reading this BS into it and the Fox reference just highlights it.

Think Different campaign was about re-stating core Apple values and saying through the images that if those people would use a computer, they would use a Macintosh because it fits their perception of not complying with grey average and pushing for greater things.

1984 was about IBM becoming Big Brother of tech, not establishment. He was painting Macintosh as a machine that would challenge status quo in computing and that we won't become slaves to only one company.

Some of you just want to hijack Apples history for your own good since many of you started using Apple products this morning or otherwise known as the Apple Watch generation.

Making assumptions on others based on your own limited and racially infused prism of understanding really makes one wonder whether you should not be better doing something else instead of belittling others and trying to bring race and social justice ******** into computers. Do tell - how do you circle back on your Apple Watch insult when I tell you that I'm typing this on Mac mini 2012 and listening to music streamed from my iBook G4 to wireless speaker?