Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
No thanks, Timmy.
Thank you, now step aside, I want to buy the watch.

They would be stupid to keep it US exclusive for a long period.
Correct.

Fingers crossed for Canada!
Fingers crossed for Australia!

producing enough to meet demand shouldn't be an issue, this isn't a high volume item like an iPhone. The issue is only if the demand is higher than they anticipate
Correct.

Still makes me wonder if pre-orders will be available. I hope so! I sure as hell don't want to wait outside an Apple Store for hours, or wait for weeks while stock is restored. Taking a few minutes to pre-order at midnight is very effective.
Watch is personal. I think you need to be in person in the store to take the 'measurement', you know what I mean.
 
Your idea of bone conduction is massively flawed and ripe for a lawsuit if Apple were to do this. One demographic that will not appreciate being left out of this conversation using watches: deaf people.

How is the deaf peoples' lawsuit going against smartphones for the same reasons?

(Coincidentally, bone conduction is already used in some devices for people with impaired hearing.)



Again, bone conduction will NOT make the conversation private because what you say OUT of your mouth will be heard by others.

As I already stated, this is no different than talking on a smartphone.



Plus, it makes one look suspicious, goofy, and dorky. You USE your phone for that, not the watch.
I can't help you with any insecurities you may have with your self image, but as bbeagle astutely argues above, "attitude WILL change".
 
Just a thought to share based on my many years of buying the latest Apple products. Without fail Apple's second generation product is superior to the original. Especially an all new product like the watch.

Those who are not impulse buyers and wait for next year's Apple Watch will be thrilled they waited. That I'm 100% confident about.

It's my plan as well. :)

I agree with someone who mentioned that they always be the next generation, whether it's second or third, etc.

It's not about impulsive buying, it's about buying something that is useful right now. Whether or not the watch is useful to you is up for your decision, and it's entirely different argument.
 
I have been ready to buy until recently. I still want one but if the price list I saw is correct it will be about $450 for a space gray with black band. I'm not sure I'm prepared to pay that much for a watch or for a first generation watch. I have told myself yes but now, I'm not sure.

Same here. This is exactly what I'm feeling, I could have written this post. I guess we'll know for sure in a week from today.
 
It seems to be common practice that watches can only be returned if they are _unused_. That means not worn.
Maybe that's common practice for watches that just tell the time, but these are micro computers, and I'm sure they'll have a better return policy in place.
 
How is the deaf peoples' lawsuit going against smartphones for the same reasons?

(Coincidentally, bone conduction is already used in some devices for people with impaired hearing.)

First, bone conduction doesn't work with all deaf people due to varying degrees of hearing loss. And it's already very controversial to begin with due to different viewpoints between the audist and Deaf worlds. I, for one, wear a hearing aid and have no desire to have bone conduction.

What you speak of is considered a cochlear implant. It doesn't sound exactly the same as those who have hearing aids which is somewhat complicated to explain.

Second, when deaf people see the Apple Watch, the only thing going for it is the notification factor alerting them of certain things. That's about it. But when it comes to communicating, it doesn't work. Most of them use sign language and using that with a watch is counter productive.

Especially with crack pot dreams of using video chat on a watch a la Dick Tracy which would require high speed bandwidth to pull it off and take up a lot of battery juice. The only limitation would be small video clips to be sent back and forth in short burst messaging similar to what you see on the iMessage features.

The use of video chatting is more commonly used on smart phones, tablets, or desktops. Or even video phones that replaced the TTY ( the latter is now web-based ). They use sign language on screen back and forth the way FaceTime was intended ( or even Skype ).

Texting is still the most prominent method of communicating. I do it all the time and would not even think of doing that on a watch. I have a data only plan and it blocks every voice call that comes in.

Some deaf people cannot hear their own voices and some do, depending on the degree of hearing loss. The point is, if they can't hear their own voice, it's pointless to talk on the watch.

And when they see that every hearing person can use that feature on the watch, they going to be thinking " Something's not right here. Why can't we communicate via the watch and they can? ". Same thing with using Siri while driving. Most of them can't use it and besides, some states ban texting while driving and that makes it worse for them.

Maybe you might not realize it but every time Apple or any other company releases new technology, it's like opening a Pandora's Box without thinking ahead.

And your idea of bone conduction doesn't work for everybody because that requires buying an ear piece and it would be expensive. I'm aware of bone conduction headphones such as AfterShokz seen here: http://www.aftershokz.com

I still think it's stupid to talk to the watch in public if you want to send a message to someone. But wait, it has to be paired to the iPhone for it to work therefore, it's piggybacking phone for this reason.

For other verbal commands to the watch using Siri in terms of home appliance control, carplay, music, apps and such, that may make sense if away from the phone or computer.

Personally, I would NOT want FaceTime on the watch. Seriously. It makes the iPhone pointless. And that's where having a larger screen on the phone for such video conversations or texting makes a lot of sense.
 
I'm definitely waiting to see how people use it to figure out if it's worth $349 or however much the one I want will be. I like the aspect of tracking a lot of health stuff, but I'm wary about those things after suffering through the gnarly rash my Fitbit gave me. Mine wasn't one of them recalled, but I had a quarter-sized rash form right under the clasp on the band. Stuck around for two months after I stopped using it. Fitbit's response outside of the recalled units was basically "Meh, it happens to some people." Not sure why there wasn't a band offered that was perhaps a little more expensive but made out of different materials.

Then I read that most smartphones are more accurate at counting steps than Fitbit. The f@#*! So I almost feel like I wasted $100 on it.

I like the constant heart rate tracking and step tracking since you wear a watch more places than you will take your iPhone -- I don't keep it in my pocket at work and thus will take steps here and there that aren't counted. But outside of that, I don't know what I would use it for. I haven't owned a watch in at least a decade because my phone tells time. So I'd need to know that it does more than what I know and that I wouldn't mind a watch again before dropping $350.
 
Would love to know what the price of the regular watch will be. I am tempted. Almost sold. I wonder what its popularity will be like over here. Certainly they won't sell as fast as the handsets but then availability might be limited through production.

One can hope.


For that kind of money, Apple needs to strongly convince me that I cannot live without an Apple Watch. From what I've read thus far, not overly impressed. Hoping there's some serious points of differentiation presented during the keynote.

----------

The other thing that gets me about the Apple Watch is that the cheap versions look cheap. Only the premium versions look half-passable.

And the cheap versions aren't exactly cheap...and their tech may be obsoleted in 2-3 years!
 
I bet not all of those countries will be in April though.

Although, Apple has worked miracles before.
 
Then their is no point discussing this with you, outside America mobile phone adoption and usage and features is has been way way more advanced than in America. And so where I can see outside America.

I was never talking about anything outside of America. YOU are the one that is dragging other countries into this. For what reason, I have no clue.

I stated that in the mid-90s cell phones were rare in America. That's true. I was painting a picture of what the world was like before cell phones were popular. If that happens to be the mid-80s in some other country, so be it. Edit my story in your brain with 'mid-80s', then it all rings true for you.

The point was NOT about the YEAR this occurred, but that changes HAVE occurred, and will again in the future. You seem to WANT to find something to fight about.
 
I think that means..they overestimated the market, built way too many and need to sell them all.

It's more likely to stop the asian reseller market. Those giant lines outside of 5th ave etc are folks buying to send product to China where it can be sold for 4-5 times retail. It's a constant issue for Apple that can't really be solved because any methods they try to use get them nailed as racists etc

The only win they got in any sense was around the ipad 3 or 4. They launched it in China within days of the US launch, before the resellers had time to ship them overseas. 5th Ave was so swamped with returns they had to assign staff to do just that line of folks.

----------

Or they are a multi-billion dollar company and know what they are doing and how many to pump out in the factory. They want to sell as many as possible. Stop with the conspiracy theories.

They WANT to sell as many as possible but they also want to have the ones that folks want and not massive excess. So I think that the first couple of weeks could be limited in supply. They will likely be cautious in the spread and see what sells that first weekend before they go crazy with future runs. Learning from the mistake of the 5c, which was popular but not launch popular

----------

Maybe Apple Pay rollout to countries getting the Watch? :D

The watch isn't the issue. It's the banks in those countries. They have to agreed to support Apple Pay, they have to be able to support it. And now with those articles about how Apple Pay was 'hacked' due to banks not having adequate ID verification systems before setting up a card, there will likely be added requirements since Apple doesn't want the system further besmirched by sure nonsense

----------

Steve Jobs had zero interest as well, he had three things that he wanted to reinvent: the television, textbooks and photography.

You don't know that. Steve might have had an interest in wearable tech but at the time the other atuff was more important. It was not uncommon for him to say he had no interest because it just wasn't what they were working on at the time. Which is why we get patents for styli, glasses etc that date back to his reign, or he says no one wants video on an iPod and then it happens. And so on

----------

It's not weird to have zero interest in a product that doesn't exist.

This product exists, select folks are already using it etc

Perhaps you meant to say "that you haven't seen and held yet".

It's not uncommon to not be excited about a product until you can try it.

----------

So what date is everyone thinking? Early April? With an event a week from today April 3 sounds good to me....or April 3 pre-order date with April 10 delivery?

It's not Apples style to keynote something again and wait.

I think announce on Monday, orders start that Friday. In stores the next or two weeks.

I say two weeks because I could see them doing something a tad different here. Rather than splitting it up between pre order to go home and chance it in the stores I could see them sending dummies for size and color to the stores right away and soft launching rather than 'pre order'. So you could go to the store as of nest Tuesday and try on a non functioning model then order online which would be shipped in a few days. They might even start those orders on Friday just for the tradition of it (and it gives folks a few days to get to that try on). They might even allow ship to store right away. So a couple of weeks to clear some of that out before bringing stock into stores might make sense.

----------

From what I have seen and witnessed so far, the Apple Watch is a very niche product that no one really needs. It will be able to do some cool stuff, but then my blender can do some cool stuff too.

So was the ipad and yet it sold tons that first year.
 
Better not buy a smartphone then!

That's the issue. In the U.S. at least, it's been ingrained in our culture that phones follow a two year cycle before the new subsidy kicks in to help make your next phone purchase more affordable.

Watches in general are fashion statements. Apple is pushing their watch as a fashion accessory. You don't typically re-up large amounts of cash for an expensive watch every 2-3 years.

These are two completely different business models which makes this launch and pending public perception very interesting. Stop trying to mix oil with vinegar.
 
I was never talking about anything outside of America. YOU are the one that is dragging other countries into this. For what reason, I have no clue.

I stated that in the mid-90s cell phones were rare in America. That's true. I was painting a picture of what the world (EDIT: AMERICA) was like before cell phones were popular. If that happens to be the mid-80s in some other country, so be it. Edit my story in your brain with 'mid-80s', then it all rings true for you.

The point was NOT about the YEAR this occurred, but that changes HAVE occurred, and will again in the future. You seem to WANT to find something to fight about.

I was talking about other countries as America is not the centre of the universe and is years behind in mobile adoption and use as I stated in my later comment.

your very angry and rude in your reply, and as said, you have made a case study, not facts, and you are utterly wrong with your assumptions for any part of the world outside the US with mobile phone adoption and usage and tech. I have no need to 'edit your story with my brain'.

Whatever you want to state about the American market is for the American market, it has no truth for other markets at all.
 
$349 for the entry level is expensive when you also need a late model iPhone,
I'm sure in the upgrade life cycle they will be aiming to get the price down.
 
$349 for the entry level is expensive when you also need a late model iPhone,
I'm sure in the upgrade life cycle they will be aiming to get the price down.

It works with 5,5C,5S,6, so 3.5 year old models by the time its released; not exactly "late model". So, by the time of release, about 250M phones will be compatible...

As for getting the price down, won't happen unless they're selling the S chip inside seperately from the Watch.
 
Your idea of bone conduction is massively flawed and ripe for a lawsuit if Apple were to do this. One demographic that will not appreciate being left out of this conversation using watches: deaf people.

Using voice control makes Apple anti-accessible to people with hearing loss, especially those who aren't capable of speech.

Right, every product ever produced has to take into account anyone with every conceivable handicap (yes, I use this word on purpose, realizing that is isn't PC), or they should be sued. Only in America LOL :cool:
 
The huawei watch looks pretty amazing. If they come out the same time, I think apple will have some good competition in smart watches (for once)
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.