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The sad part is, it will be sold out in the first couple of hours and the eBay and CL resellers will drive up the prices like the iPhone 6. No reason a company making tens of billions can't increase their manufacturing capacity to supply the product demand.

Product scarcity drives up the desire in many to purchase. There's been much speculation whether this is an Apple business model or they are always struggling to keep up with demand.
 
Tim Cook: Apple Watch on Schedule to Ship in April

Product scarcity drives up the desire in many to purchase. There's been much speculation whether this is an Apple business model or they are always struggling to keep up with demand.


I have been in the manufacturing sector for over 30 years and the amount of money this company is making, there is no excuse when I go into an Apple Store to buy a iPhone 6 or 6+ and get the typical response, sorry we are sold out!!!!

This far after the official launch and still having supply issues, BS!!!! I love their products and I am all Mac for my business, but no excuse not to have product in your stores this far down the road..
 
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No! Son of a bitch! I had my heart set on March launch :(. I can't wait that long.

You can always freeze yourself. And, with some luck, get an even fancier version of the Apple watch in the future.. :p

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This far after the official launch and still having supply issues, BS!!!! I love their products and I am all Mac for my business, but no excuse not to have product in your stores this far down the road..

I thought Tim Cook said they are just about caught up with supply vs demand.

I suppose they could build another factory or two to meet demand for the first few months, but then what are they going to do with the extra factories for the nine months of the year when there is no supply/demand imbalance?
 
The sad part is, it will be sold out in the first couple of hours and the eBay and CL resellers will drive up the prices like the iPhone 6. No reason a company making tens of billions can't increase their manufacturing capacity to supply the product demand.

Since it isn't available for sale yet no one know for sure what demand will actually be. Apple doesn't want to make 20 million if it will sell only 10 million, for instance.
 
I do wonder if Apple would have been better off waiting til October or Janury to announce it. September's haphazard presentation, and the placeholder software running on it, was not exactly the best foot forward.
They can't manufacture at scale in stealth mode. For Apple to control the messaging, they had to announce it before the first production runs. With Apple projecting 30-40M unit sales this year, their first runs would have to be at such a high volume that it would be impossible to control leaks. Just look at how accurate iPhone 6/6+ leaks turned out, while there were zero accurate renders of the aWatch.
 
Same here, but i do want an :apple: Watch because it does more than tell the time. Last watch i owned was the Casio Remote Control watch about 15 years ago.

but so does the Iphone, and you have to have an Iphone linked to it for it to work...
 
It's not ideal, but it could be doable, especially if it charges quickly. Which, given the size of the battery, is entirely possible. To have enough battery for sleep-tracking, I think I'd charge it in the evening, like maybe while I'm eating dinner / watching TV, then top it off in the morning while I'm taking a shower. Whether or not this would work? Be interesting to find out.
I expect the aWatch's charging time to be roughly similar to the Moto 360: two hours. Since the current version of WatchKit doesn't give developers access to the accelerometer, the only way the watch will offer sleep tracking is if Apple provides it themselves. That would only happen if continuous accelerometer use doesn't hammer the battery as long as the display is off. I'm not fully convinced that's the case. On the other hand, the iOS Health app displays sleep metrics, and I don't think Apple would leave the input for those metrics to third-party devices from FitBit and Jawbone.
 
Still wonder who would buy a $5k. Yes, there are luxury watches much more expensive than this. But that $30,000 Rolex will last for a human lifetime. The Apple watch will be rediculously outdated within a few years.
Like most tech enthusiasts, you're viewing this through the lens of a cost-benefit evaluation that doesn't apply to the luxury watch industry.

I worked at a company that manufactured watch winders—boxes that keep automatic watches in continuous rotation so they can be worn immediately without having to wind them up or reset the time. Whenever I'd try to explain this to people who weren't watch aficionados, they would struggle to understand that (1) customers would pay a premium for watches that need to be manual wound rather than just getting a much more affordable quartz or digital watch, and that (2) they had enough watches in their collection that most of them would wind down before they got around to wearing each of them.

Most of us know women with large shoe collections, but many of us don't realize that there are thousands of men out there with comparable watch collections. Every day I would interact with customers who had, say, 15 watches, usually costing between $8k and $20k each.

I realize that this is hard for techies to grasp, but affluent professionals with a taste for fine watches have zero trouble dropping $5000 on a watch with a 1-2 year shelf life. If you think that's ridiculous, remember that there are millions of people in the world who consider it insane that some people (like me) blithely spend $3 to $6 for a cup of coffee when they could make their own coffee for pennies.
 
Really? When you get up you don't know how was your sleep? You need a device for that?


Wow. You really are obtuse. I'm sure you can time the length and quality of your sleep, how long you were in deep sleep compared to light sleep, along with all the other functions of sleep tracking apps/devices.

I'm surprised you even own electronic devices based on your post. You must use postal mail to communicate with people long distance or sun dials to tell the time..... Lol.

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I have been in the manufacturing sector for over 30 years and the amount of money this company is making, there is no excuse when I go into an Apple Store to buy a iPhone 6 or 6+ and get the typical response, sorry we are sold out!!!!

This far after the official launch and still having supply issues, BS!!!! I love their products and I am all Mac for my business, but no excuse not to have product in your stores this far down the road..


Hindsight is always brilliant for this. It's better business sense to under estimate the demand than over estimate, or you risk having stock that's going nowhere. This will be more so with the apple watch, as its a brand new device.
 
Like most tech enthusiasts, you're viewing this through the lens of a cost-benefit evaluation that doesn't apply to the luxury watch industry.

I worked at a company that manufactured watch winders—boxes that keep automatic watches in continuous rotation so they can be worn immediately without having to wind them up or reset the time. Whenever I'd try to explain this to people who weren't watch aficionados, they would struggle to understand that (1) customers would pay a premium for watches that need to be manual wound rather than just getting a much more affordable quartz or digital watch, and that (2) they had enough watches in their collection that most of them would wind down before they got around to wearing each of them.

Most of us know women with large shoe collections, but many of us don't realize that there are thousands of men out there with comparable watch collections. Every day I would interact with customers who had, say, 15 watches, usually costing between $8k and $20k each.

I realize that this is hard for techies to grasp, but affluent professionals with a taste for fine watches have zero trouble dropping $5000 on a watch with a 1-2 year shelf life. If you think that's ridiculous, remember that there are millions of people in the world who consider it insane that some people (like me) blithely spend $3 to $6 for a cup of coffee when they could make their own coffee for pennies.

I know a lot more professionals who drop money on very expensive cars, or boats than watches, but hey, everyone's different :).

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I expect the aWatch's charging time to be roughly similar to the Moto 360: two hours. Since the current version of WatchKit doesn't give developers access to the accelerometer, the only way the watch will offer sleep tracking is if Apple provides it themselves. That would only happen if continuous accelerometer use doesn't hammer the battery as long as the display is off. I'm not fully convinced that's the case. On the other hand, the iOS Health app displays sleep metrics, and I don't think Apple would leave the input for those metrics to third-party devices from FitBit and Jawbone.

Why wouldn't be the case, it is the case on the phone were sensors get their own processors : the M8. The S1 SOC can include a number of smaller low power chips, such as the M8. It was rumored when this came out for the phone that it would find its way into the watch.
 
On the other hand, the iOS Health app displays sleep metrics, and I don't think Apple would leave the input for those metrics to third-party devices from FitBit and Jawbone.


Actually, Jawbone's UP app can take sleepy tracking data and import it into iOS Health app. They even say so in their app description.

Look unless I actually had access to the highest level of Apple's product timeline, I wouldn't know if this launch date of April 2015 is meeting or lagging their expectations. So I'm doing conjecture. But my conjecture is that Apple wanted this product to launch by March 2015 and that at some point fairly recently they thought it would. If your read is that Apple always wanted and expected an April launch that is fine. But if you are basing this on a belief that Apple can perfectly launch a cutting edge product in a brand new market and that they can predict their ability to go from selling zero product to having millions available and that they can predict the date that they can do that to the month but do that six months away, and that they can do that the vast majority of the times, then I think you over estimate this company.

So, you just admit that you're basing it on made up ideas of a March launch, which you are then peddling as fact. They said Early 2015. If they released in May, even before the Call, where they stated April, then you might actually have a point and we wouldn't have this debate, but they didn't. As many people have stated, Apple clearly have split the year into early/mid/late. These are obviously equal splits, with anything classed as early being released Jan-Apr, and so on. I have always expected the Watch to be out between January and the end of April. If the call had said May, then I'd be saying it's been delayed too. They did the reveal, as they knew that they had a window they would be ready for, with the flexibility that they could release anytime January - April. At the stage they were at, they knew they had a working product to reveal, just like the Original iPhone, they revealed that, but didn't release until 6 months later, pretty much in the same manner as the Apple Watch

I think the launch slipped a month. If in October 2014 they were planning on launching the iWatch in April 2015, then I'm wrong. But I think they thought they were farther along at that point. I think if you had asked Cook in October 2014 when if the Apple Watch would have been launched before April 2015 he would have said yes (setting aside that he would not have told you anything).

Again, you THINK, you do not know. I think that if you asked Cook in October 2014, if they Apple Watch would be launched in March 2015, he would have said no. See how easy that is to say. You are basing your idea of what Tim would say based on your own pre-conceived notion that you think Apple are running behind, your entire opinion is so flawed, that you cannot see how illogical you are sounding.

The facts are simple. Apple have always used early/mid/late, when they have, it's for things released within the 3 separate 4 month periods. Apple have NEVER stated that the Apple Watch was going to be released in March, that's only rumours, the most prominent peddler of the rumour has barely been right. Apple have only ever said 'Early 2015', until the Call, where Tim said April 2015. Additionally, the rumour from March is highly likely to be for the launch event, showing the device off in more detail, with apps from developers and the announcement of the release date and pre-order dates, along with pricing.
 
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Like most tech enthusiasts, you're viewing this through the lens of a cost-benefit evaluation that doesn't apply to the luxury watch industry.

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I realize that this is hard for techies to grasp, but affluent professionals with a taste for fine watches have zero trouble dropping $5000 on a watch with a 1-2 year shelf life.

I agree, but the iWatch is not a luxury watch, no matter its highest price point.
It won't be collectable, it doesn't have the attractive design to make it jewelery, and in general is not for watch people .
 
I know a lot more professionals who drop money on very expensive cars, or boats than watches, but hey, everyone's different :).
Watch collecting is a more or less "invisible" habit since most people don't care about watches. Most people would be unlikely to notice if someone wearing a Patek today wears a Tag Heuer tomorrow. They'd be much more likely to notice someone driving a Ferrari today driving an Aston Martin tomorrow.

My main point was that for gadget enthusiasts, $5000 is a lot of money. The only product we ever discuss on MacRumors in that price range is the Mac Pro, and even the people who buy those tend deliberate over price-performance yields between different options.

That's not how people who buy watches as jewelry think. For doctors and investment bankers, $5000 is insignificant. Luxury watch enthusiasts do obsess over specs, but you'll almost never hear them add the phrase "for the price" to justify their assessment. They're not buying them as utilities, so there's no need to justify their value on a utilitarian axis.

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Actually, Jawbone's UP app can take sleepy tracking data and import it into iOS Health app. They even say so in their app description.
I'm quite aware of that, since I've been adding my Up's sleep data to the Health app every day for the last three months. I meant that it's unlikely that Apple's app would accept sleep data if only third-party devices provided that data. I think it's more logical to assume that the aWatch will also provide that data at some point.
 
Watch collecting is a more or less "invisible" habit since most people don't care about watches. Most people would be unlikely to notice if someone wearing a Patek today wears a Tag Heuer tomorrow. They'd be much more likely to notice someone driving a Ferrari today driving an Aston Martin tomorrow.



My main point was that for gadget enthusiasts, $5000 is a lot of money. The only product we ever discuss on MacRumors in that price range is the Mac Pro, and even the people who buy those tend deliberate over price-performance yields between different options.



That's not how people who buy watches as jewelry think. For doctors and investment bankers, $5000 is insignificant. Luxury watch enthusiasts do obsess over specs, but you'll almost never hear them add the phrase "for the price" to justify their assessment. They're not buying them as utilities, so there's no need to justify their value on a utilitarian axis.

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I'm quite aware of that, since I've been adding my Up's sleep data to the Health app every day for the last three months. I meant that it's unlikely that Apple's app would accept sleep data if only third-party devices provided that data. I think it's more logical to assume that the aWatch will also provide that data at some point.


Ahh. Well should be clear and say what you mean then. ;) your post indicated otherwise.
 
I agree, but the iWatch is not a luxury watch, no matter its highest price point.
It won't be collectable, it doesn't have the attractive design to make it jewelery, and in general is not for watch people .
I didn't say it was a luxury watch or a collectible (or an "investment"—a term a particularly hate when applied to retail goods). I was referring to people who buy luxury watches because I know from dealing with them personally that they don't think about price, and I expect more than a few of them to buy an aWatch strictly out of curiosity.

Whenever I hear someone object to a $5000 purchase because it will be obsolete in a few years, I know that person considers $5000 a lot of money, which is true for most of the population. When you own a dozen watches costing $10k on average, you're not in a demographic that needs to spend much time deliberating over the long term value of another $5k purchase.

To be clear: it's true that fans of haute horology don't consider the aWatch a "real" watch—i.e. an automatic with a precision engineered mechanical movement. They'll just buy the aWatch because they can. I expect most Western one-percenters to get the stainless steel version, even though they could afford the Watch Edition. I suspect that the Watch Edition is designed primarily for the Asian market, where there's a higher premium on bling, and conspicuous consumption is less frowned upon.
 
How many notifications do you get per day? That is one of the key benefits - removing the need to take the phone out to check a notification or getting a better notification.

I get probably 100 emails per day, five to 10 msgs and up to eight/10 meeting notifications. Have separate and easy ways to identify the notifications will be beneficial. It will also allow for more notifications - scoring updates in cricket matches for example.

It will also save phone battery life. When travelling for a couple of days I can massively drain the phone battery pulling it out constantly to see emails, meeting reminders and locations etc. The phone battery being preserved will be great.

Also when travelling I can see when a call comes through if it is someone I want to talk to or someone I need to talk to without pulling out the phone. Call screenign wil be easier (not that it is that hard at the moment).

I am not going to be looking at the watch every 5s for notifications - I will be looking at the watch when a notification comes through.


So 120 items in a 8-10 h day. Sounds like you'd be covered checking your phone once or twice an hour.
 
How many people do you think "did tablets" before the iPad?


Comparisons between the ipad introduction and the phone are specious.
The ipad was providing a new form factor for established computer activities--web browsing, video watching and gaming. It was also understood that the apps that had made the iphone a hit would be
available on this new device.

No one really knows what to do with the watch--other than check notifications for your phone or record health metrics. The watch will obviously fail.
 
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