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Next thing is they can turn away black people, then jews, then whoever is next... Sad to hear how things are working in the US.


This is exactly what this law is about, making it legal to discriminate against anyone who isn't a heterosexual white male in the guise of religious freedumb.

Will some please take the morons in our country off our hands?
 
Exactly. Im all for this. At least you would know what or who you are dealing with. Now they make laws that tell one or the other when the people they are supposed to apply to think god knows what.

Tolerating hate is no solution.
 
Oh geesh! Here we go again:

"That’s why, on behalf of Apple, I’m standing up to oppose this new wave of legislation — wherever it emerges."

BAD BAD BAD idea to bring the company and it's shareholders into this controversy. If he doesn't do anything about it (like pulling Apple from states that support the legislation), it makes him look like a hypocrite.

Well said. Guess Tim did not learn this from Steve Jobs here. Anyone with money is a target of people to promote their politcal agenda.

During the Apple ][ days, there were far left types up and down the halls of Cupertino chanting their causes and rhetoric where it was hurting production and bottom line. This is one of the reasons why Steve was kicked out of Apple after the launch of the Mac was to get this crowd out of the house.

Steve learned this hard and left that crowd back on the Berkeley campus before moving to Redwood City while running NeXT. When Steve returned to Apple, he did everything except having snipers on the rooftops in Cupertino keeping the Berkeley crowd away.

Some say Steve even went to a more moderate political philosophy in his later years. With Steve gone, quite curious to see what political circles are around Tim these days.
 
Let's be real clear about what the "agenda" is.

It's about making sure that others aren't denied the same rights you enjoy simply based on who they are. It's about equality. Nothing more, nothing less.

Tim Cook standing up for what he believes, and pointing out what Apple stands for as well is admirable.

See, you're free, right? Free to buy from Apple if you want. Or free to spend your money elsewhere. Thankfully, bigot or not, Apple will sell to you anyway.

Oh yeah among all the other agendas, it had to be homosexuality. Biased much?

I don't care about him stating his personal opinions. Don't rope the company in (Which has been so quiet on almost every other issue)
 
APPLE TREATS EVERYONE THE SAME

**except if you have 17K to blow on a watch... then you get longer appointment, in a private room with an speciailist***

***or else you have to make an appointment, you aren't allowed to try out every watch, and you don't get to swap the bands***



BUT EVERYONE IS THE SAME I TELL YA
 
All those "private business" get tax payer handouts in the form of tax breaks and other incentives Joe Q. Public doesn't. So how about the state says 'get since you want the freedom to discriminate against some whose taxes help your business." "How about we give you no help?" Let you TRUELY be a private business???

Not a good example at all. Private U.S. citizens also get plenty of tax breaks and handouts. Welfare, WIC, mortgage interest, child care expenses, child credits, IRA contributions, etc, etc, etc....

I understand you point and agree that businesses (especially publically traded ones) are different from individuals, but a different example might be in order.
 
In the same vein, if there's a company that's run by bigots then customers are free to boycott and put those companies out of business.

Personal choice is usually always an option.

There is a business here where the people smoke like chimneys (apparently) in the back room. Everything smells like smoke, and I do not shop there any longer.

Personal choice.

It would be tragic if they were the only place I could shop because, let's say, because I was gay, or had brown hair, or greenish-blue eyes, and everyone else discriminated against me for something I couldn't change..

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APPLE TREATS EVERYONE THE SAME

**except if you have 17K to blow on a watch... then you get longer appointment, in a private room with an speciailist***

***or else you have to make an appointment, you aren't allowed to try out every watch, and you don't get to swap the bands***



BUT EVERYONE IS THE SAME I TELL YA

:rolleyes:
 
Oh geesh! Here we go again:

"That’s why, on behalf of Apple, I’m standing up to oppose this new wave of legislation — wherever it emerges."

BAD BAD BAD idea to bring the company and it's shareholders into this controversy. If he doesn't do anything about it (like pulling Apple from states that support the legislation), it makes him look like a hypocrite.

Not a bad idea at all. Apple has a very passionate consumer base. It makes sense for the company to speak on certain views, especially when those views are also the views of the majority of their consumers.
 
glad to see Tim standing up for what is right.

Unfortunately all these religious zealots don't understand the dangers of trying to form their utopian theocracy.

Thankfully though other businesses are turning away from Indiana as well. Hit them where it really hurts.
 
This is exactly what this law is about, making it legal to discriminate against anyone who isn't a heterosexual white male in the guise of religious freedumb.

Will some please take the morons in our country off our hands?


No, this law also makes it legal to discriminate against white heterosexual males.
Why do you think white heterosexual males would be an exception for this law?
 
glad to see Tim standing up for what is right.

Unfortunately all these religious zealots don't understand the dangers of trying to form their utopian theocracy.

Thankfully though other businesses are turning away from Indiana as well. Hit them where it really hurts.

A Theocracy would be the federal government dictating one single religion and making it mandatory by law to worship said religion regardless of the respective state laws.

A state passing a law is not even close to a Theocracy.
 
Next thing is they can turn away black people, then jews, then whoever is next... Sad to hear how things are working in the US.

Well it's not really working that way in the US. Indiana is not in any way indicative of this country. It's almost like saying some small eastern block country represents all of Europe.
 
No, they are a protected class.

For how long? And who investigates their being discriminated, and who will have the guts to prosecute a 'Christian' business owner, 'exercising his religious prerogative' to serve, or sell to those that their God tells them they can sell to?

These laws are put forth in a charged and biased time. You really think that a state attorney general from the pasty that passed this law will have the guts/balls to prosecute a person, or persons that violate the protections against discriminating against blacks, Jews, and the disabled?

These laws are all about the right to thumb their noses at anti-discrimination laws, and the proof is in the answers of Mike Pence, when he denied that his state would pass any laws to protect LGBT from any civil rights discrimination.

It's open season on 'heathens', and people had better hope they aren't labeled that way.

You could drive an elephant through the gaping hole in that law.
 
Tim Cook , this is a poor move. Just focus on technology. Tired of hearing people's personal opinions. Just release Apple TV already.
 
I support anyone, including Cook, expressing their opinions. This is the called freedom of speech. I also believe that this country was built on Freedom of Religion and regrettably it has taken a while for this country to be focused on non-discrimination. (just to be clear it is regrettable that it took so long to get all the non-discrimination laws passed)

It seems to me in reading about this issue that the state bills are an honest attempt at enacting Federal stature into state law. To my knowledge these laws have not been used to discriminate, but to protect religious freedom. So to me this fear that the law will be used in the wrong way seems off.

Let's wait to see if a business truly uses this as a way to discriminate and then lets see how they survive after boycots and civil suits. Currently, I think this political theater is premature.
 
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I really don't have a problem with companies turning away any customers they want to. They're private businesses they can do what they want.

In the same vein, if there's a company that's run by bigots then customers are free to boycott and put those companies out of business.

Wouldn't we all rather know exactly where we stand with one another?


I 100% agree. I live in Indiana and I don't think the law goes far enough. The law should strike down all service reared discrimination laws. You want to give blacks to sit at the back the bar? Fine go ahead. You will be out of business in a week because people won't stand for it. You don't think women like bowling? Fine, you will be out of business in a week.
The fact is, the laws affect only a small number of people and only a smaller number of businesses will actually use them at all. And the majority will boycott the businesses and they will go out of business, it really won't matter in the long run.
 
A Theocracy would be the federal government dictating one single religion and making it mandatory by law to worship said religion regardless of the respective state laws.

A state passing a law is not even close to a Theocracy.

Well, he is right in that this is exactly what a large number of people are asking for in this country. One nation under a flag and a cross, death to Islam and anyone that lives in sin. Complete "freedom".
 
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