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Tim Cook 'Deeply Offended' by BBC Documentary on Apple Factory Conditions
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You actually seem too have no idea about what China is....
Apple, as any western company, has ZERO influence on their conception of human rights. ZERO.
You are "fighting" a battle behind your iMac made in China, while watching a tv program on your made in China tv, saying "oh I have no alternatives".
That's the typical hypocrisy of modem activists.
Feel free to came in China to protest against lack of human rights, if you care so much.
And stop using that computer, and stop using that tv.
The difference between what you said and what I said in miniscule. Other than you wanted or felt needed to take it to the next level.
There is a subtle but significant difference. In your sentence there is no reason for Tim to protest. In my sentence he has all the rights to do that.
You're missing the point of my post. It doesn't matter either way. A CEO would respond the same way. That's his job.
Indeed.
Apple and Tim, HAVE to say this.
It's their public image.
They are not stupid, Apple knows full well what the situation is.
Apple could if they wanted to step in and change things if they REALLY wanted to.
As has been said, if it costs $5, or $10 or $15 or even $20 to assemble an iPhone, then what the hell difference does it really make when you are paying $500 to $1000 for it ?
Working conditions could improve, 200%, 400%, 800% for the poor sods putting them together and, for the buyer it's the price of 2 coffee's.
I know this is not just an Apple thing, but that fact does not stop Apple changing things if they wished.
That's the fact, like it of not.
And again, of course Tim is going to act publicly horrified, what else would you expect him to say?
With things like this you have to "come out fighting" as a defence, that's the only public thing that looks good.
I guess we've resolved that many MR posters are deeply offended by Tim Cook and Apple.
.... indeed, and in the meanwhile they are vocally complaining writing mails with their China's made computer while watching BBC progress on their China's made television.
.... indeed, and in the meanwhile they are vocally complaining writing mails with their China's made computer while watching BBC progress on their China's made television.
And all the other stuff in their house that was made in China. But hey I guess it helps them sleep better at night being deeply offended.
And all the other stuff in their house that was made in China. But hey I guess it helps them sleep better at night being deeply offended.
For sure. Especially because it's cool to bash Apple on an Apple enthusiast forum
And I'm sure some of them are proud Oneplus One owners, a China designed and China manufacturer cheap phone
I don't have 100+ billion dollars backing me up when I'm out shopping. I can't send agents out to verify the claims made on the packaging, heck the manufacturers make things JUST for them. Apple can, and apparently doesn't do much of it - despite the 100+ Billion, and constant Holier than Thou preachings on political topics.
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Typical. In your version, I should go without basic necessities in life. Sorry, when given an option, I try taking that stance. When it's not an option, I have no choice.
I don't have 100+ billion to be as picky as I'd like. Apple can be, however. And that makes all the difference - especially when apple constantly preaches to me about how I should be aware of social/political issues.
please enlighten this message board on your vast experience of chinese labour practices because you obviously seem to know so much. you have already made enough statements you have not backed up and barely answered any questions.
who said "conception of human rights"?
if apple or the biggest western companies cannot influence who do you think can? if you are going to hide behind regulations then tell me what lobbyists are more powerful?
please explain how that is hypocrisy? how am i or anyone else who objects to this standing in the way of progress ie workers and environment getting a better deal?
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And all the other stuff in their house that was made in China. But hey I guess it helps them sleep better at night being deeply offended.
how is made in china suddenly the issue? are you trying to imply that treating factory workers decently is a) not happening anywhere in china and b) not possible in anyway in china?
For sure. Especially because it's cool to bash Apple on an Apple enthusiast forum
And I'm sure some of them are proud Oneplus One owners, a China designed and China manufacturer cheap phone
what phone should they buy? can you please list how the environment and workers are treated better in the process of an iphone vs a oneplus one phone?
obviously one of these phones has a margin big enough to cover substantially better worker compensation.
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wouldn't it have been clearer to say how much foxcon charges apple to put together an iPhone and then say foxcon does it for $5
there maybe a big difference. But hey it sounds better the way panorama worded it
I think you love talking big, too. You are even more aware of the harsh conditions of various factory workers than I am, but you're using these terrible conditions to try and talk others out of doing anything at all to make them better. Pretty disgusting.
As much as I love apple products, I respect the BBC and especially panorama more, what they showed are some disturbing truths and apple should be doing more to stop it.
Your kidding right?
a Programm that says it costs $5 to put an iPhone together but doesn't say if thats what foxcon pays its workers or if thats what apple pays foxcon.
A program that shows a fathers sending their sons to work and doing so hints its apples fault not the country or the fathers.
and the list goes on.
its about apple and from their perspective so the $5 it means the cost for apple. it certainly could have been clearer but that is a figure that has often been mentioned.
what are you saying? it should not have showed the interview or gagged the father? he said if he knew the conditions he would have never allowed him to go. i dont for a second think this man dosent blame himself everyday.
but please list more of your issues with the program.
Where is that $5 figure from? Just because it's mentioned a lot doesn't mean it's accurate. The only people who would know how much Foxonn charges Apple to assemble an iPhone is Foxconn and Apple.
its often mentioned in the reports that list the cost of making an iphone. i did a search earlier today and that brought up a $5 for a moto phone and $8 for samsung and apple.
its strange how often information that only few parties should know becomes more widely known.
Perhaps you can provide some examples of where this is happening? Especially in the electronics industry. Is the Xbox made at some special factory that treats workers like Westerners would expect to be treated?
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Again, where are those figures coming from? Is it like the guesstimates we get for smartphone BOM?
im not the one making the statement that its impossible to treat the workers better or that the factories apple deals with are the best in china.
and again there is a big step between a vast improvement for these people and western standards. do you not agree with me there?
so now you disagree with the BOM reports?
No I'm not saying they shouldn't have shown it. But don't go saying its not a Chinese country problem to fix. They make it out like its apples fault but its the country. The whole country.
He sent his 15yr old son off to work in a factory. The kid died. He should have been at school. The father used the boy for money and it backfired. If the conditions were that bad everyone would be die'ing.
bad stuff happens, but so does good. Where was the balance, where were the happy people, none to be found, surely not?
You're right. Maybe it would've been more fair if they included all the tech manufacturers involved. But does the fact that they solely used the biggest and brightest brand of the bunch as the prime example lessen the impact of the documentary as a whole? Would it have had as much impact on the viewing public if they focused on MS or Samsung?
They're not saying Apple is a terrible tyrant who is directly responsible for these abuses. Rather, they're saying this is how you get your iPhone.