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Tim Cook 'Deeply Offended' by BBC Documentary on Apple Factory Conditions
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Who cares? We're all going to buy their products either way. You could make me watch a 5 year old piece my iMac together while being beaten every time he messed up and I'd still buy it. So would 90% of you. At least I admit it.
As a public service broadcaster rather than a corporation, the BBC isn't a profit led organisation. However, from where I'm sitting I can see both sides of this argument. Apple do appear to be trying to make improvements in ethically sourced materials and worker conditions and the BBC did focus on Apple when there are clearly wider issues for the tech industry as a whole to look at.
The main, undeniable point of all this is that there are clearly people working in poor conditions in these factories and everyone who has an interest (Apple, other tech companies and Government) need to get a grip and do something about it. If that means not screwing down suppliers to cheap contracts that ultimately means less profit (or higher prices) then that's exactly what should happen.
Whenever I see things like this, I can't help feeling that we're all a little to blame really - consumers are the ones wanting top quality products for sod all cost.
Because those fathers wanted their kids to have a better life than they did. And sometimes facts about the situation they're entering aren't clear, hidden or distorted.
I did watch the documentary. Like most things British, it was written so that a retarded monkey would understand the heavy-handed message they were trying to pass on. The only thing I took from the video was that Apple's suppliers are still not ethical, despite being the loudest in the industry now about being... ethical. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Actually, if you read the email, Apple _does_ say that these tin mines have to do with Apple. And that Apple knows about horrible conditions.
But then it says that Apple could just buy tin from elsewhere, which would take the blame away from Apple but wouldn't do anything to improve conditions anywhere. So instead Apple is actively working (with others) to improve conditions. They can only have any influence on the situation if they are involved with it. So what would you prefer, if Apple buys there and uses its influence to improve conditions? Or if Apple bought somewhere else, and nothing is done to improve conditions?
I would say that the reason Apple is, in this case, being "called out" so to speak is bc they tend to be the ones that are always saying "look at us, look at what we're doing," every time they do anything that may paint them in a positive light. Here we end up with someone who is looking at what they are doing, when they didn't ask or want so somehow that is a problem. It's no secret the conditions that exist there. The nature of the beast though is to go after the one who puts themselves out there the most.
When Apple goes after other companies these same people that cry foul here, like YOU since you decided to point out another poster in that same light, decide to sweep it under the rug. Take off the Tin Foil hat and realize this is the world we live in and that Apple is not equivalent to the mom and pop shop it used to be.
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Ah but apparently becauae Apple is trying to do something about it they deserve to be smeared. if they did nothing and said nothing (like most other electronics companies out there) they'd be off the hook.
Incorrect. They're getting "smeared" because they're NOT doing something about it when they say they are.
Yeah, that's what I'd like to think. But I'm very aware that isn't always the case.
People who shop in Primark and Lidl can't then be suprised when they read about sweatshops, slave labour, animal cruelty etc.
Or people want to pick on the #1. Look what happened with KitKat and other manufacturers who started advertising #bendgate. Whose behind the scenes?
Because those fathers wanted their kids to have a better life than they did. And sometimes facts about the situation they're entering aren't clear, hidden or distorted.
I did watch the documentary. Like most things British, it was written so that a retarded monkey would understand the heavy-handed message they were trying to pass on. The only thing I took from the video was that Apple's suppliers are still not ethical, despite being the loudest in the industry now about being... ethical. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
A better life starts with education not with a job in a pit or in a factory. I guess your saying you would have done the same as those fathers. Me I would have pushed the education. One father was saying I told him to goto school, but as my son he refused, then he sort of shrugged his shoulders in a what am I supposed to do.
You are part of a problem as well. A different problem, but a problem nontheless.
Also, do you think people are more critical of Apple because of their ego, the chest-beating, the talking about how much better they are than anyone else? If I see an athlete playing football, and he never tells me how great he is but rather just plays the game, I have no expectation of his performance so I'm not surprised if he sucks. But the player next to him charges me extra to watch him play, telling me what a superstar he is, I'm going to be fairly upset if he's anything but amazing. And you can believe I'll be more critical of him. Not because of my actions, but because of his own ego and actions.
Make sense?
What you suggest Apple should do is the coward's way out. What Apple, and others, are doing, is clearly working. Slowly. Buying elsewhere means these people in Indonesia have nobody with even the slightest interest to help them.
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So says the BBC. I don't trust any media outlet these days. They're all about ratings and page views.
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Curious as to why when others criticize Apple, you're usually front and center defending them yet it's OK when you do it with all the threads you create? Are your criticisms the only valid ones?
Define "clearly working."
If it is working slowly, you don't make yourself the focus of attention by publishing a condescending webpage that gloats about supplier responsibility. It's as dumb as me raving about the time machine in my garage that isn't working yet, (but gimme a few decades I'll have it up and running FOR SURE! Now DON'T say I suck.)
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You're absolutely right. Why bother trying to improve this world? It's already good enough for you, **** the other seven billion.
I guess that perfectly describes the mindset behind American capitalism, doesn't it?
Disgusting. Apple HAS to know about this. If you don't realise this, you are in denial.
The only product Apple makes that is superior to its competition is the iMac. And that is ONLY because of Apple writing its OS specifically for its own computers. There is no other product Apple sells that I would buy. I am constanly amazed at the prevalence of the iPhone and iPad....
The only product Apple makes that is superior to its competition is the iMac. And that is ONLY because of Apple writing its OS specifically for its own computers. There is no other product Apple sells that I would buy. I am constanly amazed at the prevalence of the iPhone and iPad....
Agreed. I'm of the firm belief that education can solve almost every social problem we have in this world. But what I'm trying to open your eyes to is that sending your kid to school isn't always a choice for those less fortunate.
lol. this documentary is trying to blow everything out of proportion.
"walk along the yellow line" translates to people being ordered around. lol.
And they put exclamation marks on everything even when the speaker was speaking calmly and just giving instructions.
"walk along the yellow line" translates to people being ordered around. lol.
And they put exclamation marks on everything even when the speaker was speaking calmly and just giving instructions.