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You aren't looking forward enough. The smartphone will do it soon. That will be the first step to replacing laptops/desktops. The technology just isn't small enough yet.

The future is everyone wearing their own PC. Then all you would have are wireless docking stations at work/home/etc that allow you to use it normally.

Further, the smartwatch could display out to larger but still portable displays. Stuff the size of an iPad, or dock with a laptop sized thing with a keyboard.

When the technology allows it this is when the smartwatch will actually be smart, and every person will own one.

The first company to do this with a smartphone will be the new Apple assuming Apple doesn't do it. Smartphone aren't powerful enough yet to allow it, and there still isn't a truly good latency free wireless video standard; but it's only a matter of time.

My point though is that this is not what the iWatch is. Or any smartwatch. All current smartwatches are anything but "smart". They're just digital watches with some connectivity to your phone for extra stuff, but none of it is all that useful. At the very least it's all trash until they have the computing power to make your watch as powerful as current smartphones.

I can look into the future just fine. What I'm saying is what you're asking of the Apple Watch in order for it to be a must have is ludicrous. No mobile device does what you're suggesting and people would argue that a smartphone is a must have.
 
I can look into the future just fine. What I'm saying is what you're asking of the Apple Watch in order for it to be a must have is ludicrous. No mobile device does what you're suggesting and people would argue that a smartphone is a must have.

You did not read my post at all apparently.
 
since you get it like mr cook maybe i should ask you instead him.

who actually loved the 30 pin connector?

what was gained by removing optical drives on desktops?

its one thing to look to the future and embrace than to see a big market for high markup dongle.

Stating to where the puck will be and not where the pick is now - famous Apple used cliche. And that's your answer :)

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Top of the morning, Phil.

If I was Phil I'd be on a serious diet.

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Why wait, it it quite fact that it the same as others (except the heart beat, drawing pictures and taps). Or are you arguing that the most sold is the best?

I am arguing that the best is the best. And we all know what the best is. Some do like to stubbornly deny it though.
 
Stating to where the puck will be and not where the pick is now - famous Apple used cliche. And that's your answer :)

thanks for you reply which in no way answered my questions but the right time is the most important factor there just like everywhere else.

as i said in another thread im not going to stop ripping old cds just because jony ive wanted to fool people into thinking the imac was much thinner. they didnt install newer and faster submarine data cables because of apples omissions.
 
Tim Cook Discusses Steve Jobs, Apple's Rivals, and Calls Apple Watch 'The Fir...

You did not read my post at all apparently.


You said this...


The smartwatch will not be a must have item until it is actually SMART. By that I mean a full blown PC on my wrist that holds all my work/data and does all the processing on itself. You would then "dock" your watch with a terminal at home/ work / wherever. The watch would wirelessly output to a display and connect to a keyboard/mouse so you could use it like a normal computer.


My rebuttal is that smartphones can't do that NOW and yet they're must haves.

Moto did release a phone laptop dock, but my point still stands.
 
Why do Tim's recent press photos have a clench smile like he is hiding something and he's about to spring a huge prank?

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I can look into the future just fine. What I'm saying is what you're asking of the Apple Watch in order for it to be a must have is ludicrous. No mobile device does what you're suggesting and people would argue that a smartphone is a must have.

Well stated. IMO, Pebble is the one kicking ass and taking names and actually making a profit from their watch. Be interesting to see which price points shake out in the market place.
 
I'm a developer and I've seen the Watch APIs as well as the ones for Android Wear. Let me just say you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Didn't we get enough developer hype before the rollout? The watch is a very gimped device. Send me a heartbeat if you feel otherwise! Or a squiggle!
 
The future is everyone wearing their own PC. Then all you would have are wireless docking stations at work/home/etc that allow you to use it normally.

Further, the smartwatch could display out to larger but still portable displays. Stuff the size of an iPad, or dock with a laptop sized thing with a keyboard.

Sorry. Thin client is dead because its cheaper and easier to have mutliple independenty viable computing devices and cloud services to keep all the data current. The watch is not a paradigm shift--its the last desparate gasp of the mobile revolution. Some fitness stuff will earn a niche, but otherwise this whole product catogory will evaporate in 3 years

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Your memory seems to be failing you.

There was a HUGE backlash against the iPad after it was announced. Everyone thought it was a failure, and just a bigger iPhone. Hardly anyone liked it. Even Steve Jobs says he went into a little depression because of how it was received at the iPad event - it was his baby that he worked on for 5+ years, and nobody 'got it'. Everyone was quiet at the iPad event because they weren't impressed - not because of any 'astonishment'.

Fiction. while some elements of the tech press were confused by the ipad--the product was immediately embraced by popular media and its aggressive price point insured instant success. 15 million ipads sold in its first 7 months.
 
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I totally agree.
The last time we seen all the apple products in a unified form was in 2011 right before Steve jobs died. It seems apple hasn't been on that page since.
I don't really understand why apple can't get their products unified like before?
Now we have a $1300 "macbook" that cost as much as the "MacBook Pro"?
We have a "MacBook Pro" that hasn't be updated in 3 years, and a "MacBook Air" that is thicker than the "new macbook"?? I don't get it. :confused:

That wasn't the case when Jobs was around either. You're looking through nostalgia lenses here. The first generation of the macbook air was considerably more expensive. It started out around $1800 stock without an SSD upgrade. I suspect this is also some indication of where the line is going.
 
Sorry. Thin client is dead because its cheaper and easier to have mutliple independenty viable computing devices and cloud services to keep all the data current. The watch is not a paradigm shift--its the last desparate gasp of the mobile revolution. Some fitness stuff will earn a niche, but otherwise this whole product catogory will evaporate in 3 years

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Fiction. while some elements of the tech press were confused by the ipad--the product was immediately embraced by popular media and its aggressive price point insured instant success. 15 million ipads sold in its first 7 months.

You guys really have comprehension issues.

I'm not talking thin client. Go back and read my post. Your entire PC will be on your wrist. Your user experience will be the same everywhere because you will always have your computer with you. This is the exact opposite of thin client. It's having a thick client on your wrist and then being able to wirelessly connect it to TVs, workstations, your car, etc. If you can't figure out why this would be such a huge deal you aren't very bright.

This is the future. First smartphones will do it, and then it will finally shrink down enough to be on your wrist. When this happens smart watches will actually be smart and worth owning. Right now they are worthless because of the fact that you need a phone anyways.

Smartphones are close to doing what I've described but still aren't quite there. They just aren't fast enough yet. Further, you can't easily connect your phone with a workstation style setup. Finally, the software on phones wouldn't allow this because phone OSs are made just for phones. You'd need the OS to run in a mode for on the go, then switch to a normal desktop style setup on command.

Funnily enough Nintendo is rumored to be doing just this for their next console. Their handheld will be unified with the normal set top console. The set top console won't even actually be real hardware. It'll be a docking station for the handheld to display to your TV and connect normal controllers. Of course, this is just a gaming system. Not an actual PC, but if Nintendo does it it'll be groundbreaking.
 
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'"His name should still be on the door," Cook remarked.'

At first I thought that was the only cool thing that despicable Cook had done, but then I noticed his slimy use of "should", meaning, of course, that it will inevitably be torn out and used for something most likely putrid.
 
Your entire PC will be on your wrist. Your user experience will be the same everywhere because you will always have your computer with you. This is the exact opposite of thin client. It's having a thick client on your wrist and then being able to wirelessly connect it to TVs, workstations, your car, etc.

Thin client implies that centralized processing power allows other devices to function with little or no cpu power and/or storage. You are envisioning centralizing the processing power in the watch, but the scenario suffers from the same problems as traditional thin client scenarios. Mulltiple processing devices are so affordable there is no need for processing centralization, and cloud centered environments and data access means there is really no advantage --or even destinction-- to always "having your computer with you". I have 3 computers and a surface pro 3 tablet: the user experience is essentially identical across devices. I seldom physically carry any device.
 
Microsoft comes out with Windows 8.1 and several businesses decide not to upgrade because they are still on XP and their entire corporate IT structure is on XP (um...hopefully they are at least on 7).

But that's the whole problem with Microsoft. We still have millions of people/companies still running XP, Especially the ones that refuse to upgrade because they rely heavily on old DOS programs or back ends.



What I love about Tim Cook is that he knows that mistakes exist and he's willing to admit it. From what I got from this and other views from him is that he tries his best to make sure those problems don't get out and they do some times...but they eventually figure it out.

I would have to agree on this one from his performance so far.
 
thanks for you reply which in no way answered my questions but the right time is the most important factor there just like everywhere else.

as i said in another thread im not going to stop ripping old cds just because jony ive wanted to fool people into thinking the imac was much thinner. they didnt install newer and faster submarine data cables because of apples omissions.

I answered your question. If you didn't get the information you wanted, then you simply didn't ask the right question.
 
I answered your question. If you didn't get the information you wanted, then you simply didn't ask the right question.

do you know how communications work? replying with some meaningless bumper sticker slogan was neither an answer nor a meaningful contribution.

they could replace keyboards with siri tomorrow and that phrase would be brought out.
 
BS, the market was ten times what apple sold, that simply shows people didn't really care about the ipod. They only started to care AFTER apple changed the product and dropped the price.





More BS, why do people feel the need to do this I always wonder?
http://www.statista.com/statistics/263437/global-smartphone-sales-to-end-users-since-2007/

122million units SOLD, thats NOT a niche market.



I already said the same here months ago: apple seems to be marketing this as a fashion product. Making it almost certain I won't be getting it. And I do hope apple doesn't follow this trough with other products . I want functional not a bling bling fashion statement.


Doubt that, apple will always be mass market and that will always be of putting for some.



Changing just about every lock? Gov using this? Not in first couple of years.

Uh, really bad post.

iTunes Music Store was what made it big, not the iPod itself. iPod became successful after iTunes Music store was moved to PC. It's called a halo product. Look it up.

The app store was what made iPhone big, not the touch screen or the fancy design. The real pushers behind these massive markets wans't the products themselves but the services behind them (app store and itunes music store are the real geniuses of this century)

In 2008, there are 1.15 BILLION phones sold, so yes, 130 million smart phones out of 1.15 billion is a niche market.

In 2012, a mere 4 years later, smartphones account for nearly 500 million phones sold. 2015, narly 96% of all phones are smart phones.

Nobody cares whether a product is made for you or your opinion. I hear a lot of "me me me" in your post. Nobody cares about you, you're just a self entitled consumer who doesn't understand how things work. You don't buy it? Good, save your money. Why then do you come to this forum to complain and tell others it's trash?

I've clearly stated the product isn't even made for Americans, it's made for Asians consumers, which outnumber Americans by the way about 5:1.

Anyway, clearly I am dealing with a high school researcher with a lot of attitude so better leave before you throw a tantrum.

You've neatly skipped across my MBA point where Apple literally took the Blue Ocean Strat and applied it. I'm guessing you're not in an MBA program to understand how businesses are really run.
 
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Uh, really bad post.

iTunes Music Store was what made it big, not the iPod itself. iPod became successful after iTunes Music store was moved to PC. It's called a halo product. Look it up.

The app store was what made iPhone big, not the touch screen or the fancy design. The real pushers behind these massive markets wans't the products themselves but the services behind them (app store and itunes music store are the real geniuses of this century)

In 2008, there are 1.15 BILLION phones sold, so yes, 130 million smart phones out of 1.15 billion is a niche market.

In 2012, a mere 4 years later, smartphones account for nearly 500 million phones sold. 2015, narly 96% of all phones are smart phones.

Nobody cares whether a product is made for you or your opinion. I hear a lot of "me me me" in your post. Nobody cares about you, you're just a self entitled consumer who doesn't understand how things work. You don't buy it? Good, save your money. Why then do you come to this forum to complain and tell others it's trash?

I've clearly stated the product isn't even made for Americans, it's made for Asians consumers, which outnumber Americans by the way about 5:1.

Anyway, clearly I am dealing with a high school researcher with a lot of attitude so better leave before you throw a tantrum.

You've neatly skipped across my MBA point where Apple literally took the Blue Ocean Strat and applied it. I'm guessing you're not in an MBA program to understand how businesses are really run.
Perhaps actually read what I posted?

Itunes on windows and USB were some of the immoral changes apple made to make it a succesful product.

A 50 billion dollar market is not a niche

The rest is more a rant then a response or anything on topic.
 
Perhaps actually read what I posted?

Itunes on windows and USB were some of the immoral changes apple made to make it a succesful product.

A 50 billion dollar market is not a niche

The rest is more a rant then a response or anything on topic.

Immoral changes? 50 billion dollar market when? Rant? What? What are you even talking about?

Anyway, I'll let the rest of the forum goers here judge. No point bickering.
 
Immoral changes?
Must have been autocorrect, should have been "important "
"Itunes on windows and USB were some of the important changes apple made to make it a succesful product."


50 billion dollar market when?
In 2008 the total market value was about 50billion worldwide for smartphones. That is not a niche market . It was also poised to explode afterwards and it did as prediceted .

Rant? What? What are you even talking about?
The rest of your post, no idea why actually .

Anyway, I'll let the rest of the forum goers here judge. No point bickering.
They already did, by buying ipods after apple changed the initial design .
 
do you know how communications work? replying with some meaningless bumper sticker slogan was neither an answer nor a meaningful contribution.

they could replace keyboards with siri tomorrow and that phrase would be brought out.

And I am totally sure you understand what not accepting the answer given is as well. I answered you. Not my fault if you didn't like the answer I gave.
 
And I am totally sure you understand what not accepting the answer given is as well. I answered you. Not my fault if you didn't like the answer I gave.

see if you reread my first question i assumed you got it and therefore asked you. i wanted a discussion not a slogan that is used so often it is losing its meaning.

i apologise if my expectations were unrealistically high.
 
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see if you reread my first question i assumed you got it and therefore asked you. i wanted a discussion not a slogan that is used so often it is losing its meaning.

i apologise if my expectations were unrealistically high.

You assumed before you asked. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. If you want to call my answer a slogan, that's your problem. My answer stands, and it answers your question perfectly. Obviously it's not the answer you were looking for. Maybe next time you should ask a better question. Then you might get the answer you are looking for.
 
When was the last time that you have actually used a Mac for work in a business/enterprise environment? When was the last time that you have tried to use a Mac as a work horse in a data center? And when was the last time that you had to use a Mac with a non-American keyboard?

For a home user who only surfs the web and watches the occasional movie on its machine, everything you said might be true. It might even be true when your definition of work means using Adobe Creative Suit. But everybody outside of that clientele knows that your statement simply isn't true - and never has been. It's a repetition of Apple's marketing mantra, but there are no real world facts to support it.

I'm typing this on a 13" Retina MacBook Pro - that currently runs Windows 8.1 Professional as its sole operating system. Why does it only run Win8.1? Because Yosemite is a royal pain in my work environment, which is a data center at a satellite communications teleport. Even desktop Linux is a more reliable and useful choice where I spend my working hours, and that's saying a lot.

And even if Yosemite did not have all the compatibility and stability problems that it has, its performance is horrible when compared to Windows or Linux on the same MacBook - it's a simple fact that it's the slowest of the three platforms. But performance isn't everything, I agree. If an environment generally is a pleasure to use, a performance hit here and there is a price everybody would be willing to pay. But the next reality is that OS X is NOT more comfortable or easier to use than a modern desktop Linux or even Windows. It's just different, and very often it is only different to be different, not to make things better for the user. Finder compared to Windows Explorer, for example, has been providing an inferior user experience for decades now. Quick Look is awesome, but Finder, pardon my French, is an inferior and unstable piece of crap. Not having the menu bar in the application window has been annoying me for years - but I'm using large screens or multi-screen environments. As long as you're on a single notebook display this is not much of a problem. But when you're working on a 21:9 display or two large widescreen displays this design choice of Apple's becomes immediately counter-productive and intolerable.

But my all-time favorite is the disaster that Apple produced with their non-standard keyboards. I'm using a German keyboard layout and this is the most painful thing to use when you spend your days in terminal windows. Why is there no "delete" key on their notebook keyboards? Why do they not label the braces, pipe symbol and other "special" characters properly? Hell, the whole PC industry gets that job right - only Apple seems to believe that everybody on this planet was born in California.

And if you really want to feel tortured, use VMware's vCenter with a web browser running on OS X. Enjoy the constant crashes. Enjoy the frustrating keyboard incompatibilities.

Macs are so much better and more convenient to use? Not where I earn my money.

I am sorry, what makes a Mac much worse for a business environment than a Windows PC? You do realize that a Mac can run Windows right?

So you are saying that my Mac Pro running OS X is not a good fit for my video rendering and I should use a $200 Dell laptop JUST BECAUSE it is Windows? Right.....

Also, the comment about Yosemite is completely false. My Macbook Pro ran Windows 8.0 and 8.1 horribly, had bad retina support, and killed my battery life.

People really need to stop talking about this. Your work environment is not the same as everybody else's.

What would you say to a music studio that has their entire history and systems on Logic Pro? Would a Windows machine still be better for them? Absolutely not. That is a business environment, but their workflows are in Logic Pro and Macs will obviously work better for them.

If you are locked in the Microsoft Office/Exchange world, obviously Windows is a better fit for you. But a Mac can run Windows just fine.

So please, list articles or benchmarks that say Macs are worse in a business environment than Windows based PCs? Or are there two Intel companies? Two NVIDIA/AMD companies?
 
You assumed before you asked. You asked a question and I gave you an answer. If you want to call my answer a slogan, that's your problem. My answer stands, and it answers your question perfectly. Obviously it's not the answer you were looking for. Maybe next time you should ask a better question. Then you might get the answer you are looking for.

i assumed you got it since you felt you could confirm that mr cook got it.

below are my questions

who actually loved the 30 pin connector?

what was gained by removing optical drives on desktops?

and at the bottom i had the following statement

its one thing to look to the future and embrace than to see a big market for high markup dongle.

please explain to me how "Skating to where the puck will be and not where the pick is now" is in anyway related to my questions or even comes close to answering them?
 
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"Skating to where the puck will be and not where the puck is now"
This is Apple's way of doing business. Apple gains the ability to have products that are relevant when they are released to market and not just relevant in the prototype stage and years past the tech curve when they are released. This is why Apple adds and removes parts from their products.

It has nothing to do with who likes what. It's about bringing the most cutting edge tech to market and getting the most sales from it.
My answer explained all of this. But I have explained yet further because you asked.

This DOES answer your question. Your choice if you want to accept the answer or not.
 
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