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IMO the Apple Watch is above average in its physical refinement (although overall appeal if the design is debatable), but otherwise it seems pretty average among the other smartwatches. The Sony Smartwatch3 for example seems be easily as capable with a few important advantages (like GPS). Anyway, I'm totally unclear on why the Apple Watch would be considered the "first modern smartwatch" by any measure. To me it doesn't seem to be a leap forward in any particular way.
 
It seems like late 2013 was when Cook started to become his own CEO and transition away as Jobs' successor. He has been an incredible head for  and hopefully will continue to find success as time goes on.
 
It may be correct to say the Apple Watch will be the first mainstream smart watch. The current ones on the market are niche products for tech-minded folks, and certainly far from fashion accessories.

Pebble Steel is trying to take on a more fashion approach, but it still has more appeal to geeks than it does to "mainstream" folks. The first thing a "normal" person will notice on the Pebble Steel is the display that looks like an EGA display from the early 1990's. Yes, it gets great battery life, and digital ink is neat, but it's just.... ugly. The visual quality of the display, which is just barely utilitarian, is a complete mismatch to the hardware.

Apple at least has produced something with a phenomenal display, and the hardware is certainly well-built (though you either like the square body or you don't), the tradeoff being much less battery life compared to the Steel.

++ You nailed it! **thumbs up
 
There's one thing that Apple do well, and that's leave old technology behind. If something is better they will adopt it. If your hardware cannot run the latest OS properly then they will drop that hardware.

You can say that this might be a bad thing, but it keeps the innovation moving forward, weather it be software or hardware.

Imagine if Apple still had to make OSX Yosemite run on a PowerPC :)

This is the legacy trap Microsoft is in but they are slowly weaning their userbase to the latest technology. Apple just takes a different approach of using a scalpel and cutting out anything that they consider a tumour to their success and growth.
 
There's one thing that Apple do well, and that's leave old technology behind. If something is better they will adopt it. If your hardware cannot run the latest OS properly then they will drop that hardware.

You can say that this might be a bad thing, but it keeps the innovation moving forward, weather it be software or hardware.

Imagine if Apple still had to make OSX Yosemite run on a PowerPC :)

This is the legacy trap Microsoft is in but they are slowly weaning their userbase to the latest technology. Apple just takes a different approach of using a scalpel and cutting out anything that they consider a tumour to their success and growth.

Thankfully Microsoft has legacy support so the machinery that makes Apple products can operate. :D
 
Your memory seems to be failing you.

There was a HUGE backlash against the iPad after it was announced. Everyone thought it was a failure, and just a bigger iPhone. Hardly anyone liked it. Even Steve Jobs says he went into a little depression because of how it was received at the iPad event - it was his baby that he worked on for 5+ years, and nobody 'got it'. Everyone was quiet at the iPad event because they weren't impressed - not because of any 'astonishment'.

Exactly. People also hated that it wasn't 16:9, lol.

What's even funnier is that competitors started with 16:9 and 16:10, only to later copy the iPad's 4:3 aspect ratio.

No one could understand why 4:3 was better only until after using it. This is one of the reasons why Apple is ahead of the game, they can see what others can't.

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IMO the Apple Watch is above average in its physical refinement (although overall appeal if the design is debatable), but otherwise it seems pretty average among the other smartwatches. The Sony Smartwatch3 for example seems be easily as capable with a few important advantages (like GPS). Anyway, I'm totally unclear on why the Apple Watch would be considered the "first modern smartwatch" by any measure. To me it doesn't seem to be a leap forward in any particular way.

Apparently Android Wear doesn't support wifi (only Bluetooth), which is odd. Android is notifications focused, whereas Apple watch also focuses on health, IOT, and new ways of communication.

The digital crown is pretty sweet too, but I'll have to see/use it in person. All watches have a crown, and for Google to not put functionality into it is a huge oversight.

Lastly, no one thought of interchangeable fashionable bands?!
 
I agree with him on the iPhone, iPad, and iPod.

But the Watch--it's just like any other smartwatches out today from LG, Samsung, Lenovorolla, Sony. They were late this time but did not provide any significant differentiating feature either.

You agree because the iPhone, the iPad and the iPod has happened, in the "Past", proven, and if you said otherwise you are just being ignorant.

You disagree with the Watch, because it yet to happen, in the "Future", unproven, and if you said otherwise you are just labelled a fanboy.

Obviously you don't really care what people think what you think :D

While in fact, iPad, iPhone, iPod all experienced the same doubts and doubtful as Watch before the release.
 
SmartWatch = "We've run out of ideas. Let's try this."

Can't blame them for trying. They'll sell some. I really can't imaging wearing one on my wrist. Maybe gen 5 that is 1/3 the thickness and runs for a week and requires no iphone...10 yrs from now.
 
Whomever it was that said the iWatch will put Rolex and other MECHANICAL watch makers out of business; Laugh out loud.

The high end watch market is around because people like me appreciate mechanical watches.

A smart watch is a smart watch. It is not a replacement for a mechanical movement.

And frankly, the iWatch looks like a pile of dung. But then again it's not trying to compete/replace my Speedmaster pro, or my Submariner.

Both things tell time. Both things are for entirely different markets though.

Mechanical watches survived the introduction of digital watches, and they'll easily survive .. another digital watch.

And I really can't express how ugly the iWatch or most other wearables are. The Moto 360 at least tries to look normal.

The smartwatch will not be a must have item until it is actually SMART. By that I mean a full blown PC on my wrist that holds all my work/data and does all the processing on itself. You would then "dock" your watch with a terminal at home/ work / wherever. The watch would wirelessly output to a display and connect to a keyboard/mouse so you could use it like a normal computer.

THAT is the future and that is when the smartwatch will replace cell phones, iPads, desktops, etc
 
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Aye... Almost everyone I know of who hates computers use Windows. They just don't know what they're missing. Yes Macs cost more, but you do get what you pay for. For all of the issues that have been brought up with OS X lately, Windows is full of tiny issues that most Windows users have simply become accustomed to. That isn't to say they're enjoying themselves, but they don't know any other way for an OS to run, so they just get used to it. I'm reminded of that fact each and every time I am forced to use a Windows-based machine... If Apple can keep the OS at the quality it currently is (or perhaps improve upon it), I'm certain that the Mac will keep gaining market share as it has been for a decade.

If you use a Mac for any extended period of time, you almost have no choice but to become addicted. ;) An expensive addiction, but a productive and stress-free one.

When was the last time that you have actually used a Mac for work in a business/enterprise environment? When was the last time that you have tried to use a Mac as a work horse in a data center? And when was the last time that you had to use a Mac with a non-American keyboard?

For a home user who only surfs the web and watches the occasional movie on its machine, everything you said might be true. It might even be true when your definition of work means using Adobe Creative Suit. But everybody outside of that clientele knows that your statement simply isn't true - and never has been. It's a repetition of Apple's marketing mantra, but there are no real world facts to support it.

I'm typing this on a 13" Retina MacBook Pro - that currently runs Windows 8.1 Professional as its sole operating system. Why does it only run Win8.1? Because Yosemite is a royal pain in my work environment, which is a data center at a satellite communications teleport. Even desktop Linux is a more reliable and useful choice where I spend my working hours, and that's saying a lot.

And even if Yosemite did not have all the compatibility and stability problems that it has, its performance is horrible when compared to Windows or Linux on the same MacBook - it's a simple fact that it's the slowest of the three platforms. But performance isn't everything, I agree. If an environment generally is a pleasure to use, a performance hit here and there is a price everybody would be willing to pay. But the next reality is that OS X is NOT more comfortable or easier to use than a modern desktop Linux or even Windows. It's just different, and very often it is only different to be different, not to make things better for the user. Finder compared to Windows Explorer, for example, has been providing an inferior user experience for decades now. Quick Look is awesome, but Finder, pardon my French, is an inferior and unstable piece of crap. Not having the menu bar in the application window has been annoying me for years - but I'm using large screens or multi-screen environments. As long as you're on a single notebook display this is not much of a problem. But when you're working on a 21:9 display or two large widescreen displays this design choice of Apple's becomes immediately counter-productive and intolerable.

But my all-time favorite is the disaster that Apple produced with their non-standard keyboards. I'm using a German keyboard layout and this is the most painful thing to use when you spend your days in terminal windows. Why is there no "delete" key on their notebook keyboards? Why do they not label the braces, pipe symbol and other "special" characters properly? Hell, the whole PC industry gets that job right - only Apple seems to believe that everybody on this planet was born in California.

And if you really want to feel tortured, use VMware's vCenter with a web browser running on OS X. Enjoy the constant crashes. Enjoy the frustrating keyboard incompatibilities.

Macs are so much better and more convenient to use? Not where I earn my money.
 
Great opportunity to learn more about Steve and Tim. I had been a Mac user for 28 years before joining Apple as an employee. I have to say, it's exciting being part of the culture described by Tim in this interview.
 
And I really can't express how ugly the iWatch or most other wearables are. The Moto 360 at least tries to look normal.

I was of similar thought... (although I've never seen an 'iWatch' - don't know what that is).

The Moto 360 LOOKS good on the internet, love the round screen, but when you see one in person, it's way TOO big and feels cheap. And that flat tire on the bottom is awful.

The LG or Huawei ones look better.
 
And I really can't express how ugly the iWatch or most other wearables are. The Moto 360 at least tries to look normal.

The Moto 360 is huge and only appeals to men. The Apple watch appeals to men and women.

THAT is the future and that is when the smartwatch will replace cell phones, iPads, desktops, etc

The smartphone hasn't replaced desktops yet and it's near end of life.
 
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It's not that Apple doesn't have the first smart watch but wether it help make the market mainstream. Smartphones existed before iPhone, but we're limited and stuck in a niche market. The same thing with tablets. iPad and iPhone opened those markets to commercial consumers whereas before they were limited to business consumers.

Hopefully the Apple Watch does the same thing, helps make smart watches ore consumer friendly and acceptable.

As good as the Gear, MS Band or the Fit Bit might be, they aren't blowing the market up with sales. The Apple Watch has the potential to make that market really start up. Which will in turn help Samsung, MS, ect with the sales as smart watches become more mainstream due to Apple Watch.

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That being said, I'm not planning to buy any smartwatch in the near future.

Agree 100%; I think you hit the nail on the head. If anybody can take an abstract and niche construct and then conceptualise this into an multi billion dollar success, it is apple. I think Tim had massive shoes to fill after SB, and may i say he has done a rather good job. :apple:

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Apple Watch will be a great accessory to iPhone. Just wait a little :)
Agree, as time goes by, new and innovative uses for the smart watch will manifest, however, especially when the watch is more established and open to 3rd party apps. If one compares to the analogy of apps on the iphone, this resulted in a huge evolution in the usage of phones, almost, dare one say it, revolutionary. I for one use my Iphone very little to make call, rather to read books, journals, read/edit emails, work on pages/numbers, and am almost imprisoned to the battery of medical apps available at my disposable. I i need to check a side effect or a drug dosage, the BNF [British National Formulary] is only a click away. In days of old, one would need to search up and down a ward area to locate a tattered, often out of date copy. Further more, modern apps make calculating complex drugs doses a doddle, from converting drugs in mcg/kg/min into ml/hr, as this may not be uniform across the different icus. There are literally thousands of apps i can name that has revolutionised the way modern medicine is practiced.

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Apple made a bold move with the new macbook, and its in Apple culture that Steve left behind I think that keeps Apple moving forward.
I think it is more than culture and ethics, they have engineered a conceptual paradigm that ultimately results in awesome products, and an awesome customer experience. In this regards, they were true market leaders.

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It's called the "reality distortion field". Tim Cook and the Apple Faithful are known for revisionist history.

Apple is a great company at taking existing trends, making them pretty and beautifull, and being able to sell them to the masses instead of just "geeks".

but they're very rarely first. And I find it interesting how he claims that Apple "invented" the "modern day smartphone" instead of just "smartphone".

He's a very, VERY smart speaker. He knows that by saying this, people who listen to his everyword will eventually drop "Modern day", but not the "smartphone" in their own discussions about devices, which automatically becomes "Apple invented the smartphone". This is the reality distortion field at work. in Prime form.

I really wish Him and Ive and the rest of the Apple top brass would speak in public less.
I can see your point, but your argument is rather speculative.

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I have serious ethical and moral qualms with sales and marketting people who peddle their wares by using falsehoods, inccorect histories, or belittling opponents products to make your own look better.

Apple makes fantastic products.

Their business ethics stink from so many ****ing directions it's disgusting
Living in a capitalist and democratic society has many advantages as well as drawbacks. From time immemorial, companies will try to sell their product by highlighting why it is better than it's rivals, why customers need it.
To simply attest that: "Their business ethics stink from so many ****ing directions" is a little unfair, as this is how the society, and the market has evolved. I think apple's conscience and business ethics is far better than other multi billion dollar corporations.

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Fashion & beauty ... all in the eyes of the beholder!
Indeed it is, and i think the product not only looks marvellous, i can already imagine hundreds of uses for it. I think apple should be applauded on how they have marketed this product, they have subtly teased us, and resisted the temptation to ram the concept down our throats, making one believe this is not another fad phantasmagorical whimsical product that one can do without.
 
There's one thing that Apple do well, and that's leave old technology behind. If something is better they will adopt it. If your hardware cannot run the latest OS properly then they will drop that hardware.

You can say that this might be a bad thing, but it keeps the innovation moving forward, weather it be software or hardware.

Imagine if Apple still had to make OSX Yosemite run on a PowerPC :)

This is the legacy trap Microsoft is in but they are slowly weaning their userbase to the latest technology. Apple just takes a different approach of using a scalpel and cutting out anything that they consider a tumour to their success and growth.

Except Apple has a lower marketshare in the PC world. It's much easier to change standards when you don't have over 80% of the market.

Case in point, Microsoft comes out with Windows 8.1 and several businesses decide not to upgrade because they are still on XP and their entire corporate IT structure is on XP (um...hopefully they are at least on 7).

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What I love about Tim Cook is that he knows that mistakes exist and he's willing to admit it. From what I got from this and other views from him is that he tries his best to make sure those problems don't get out and they do some times...but they eventually figure it out.
 
Whomever it was that said the iWatch will put Rolex and other MECHANICAL watch makers out of business; Laugh out loud.

Yeah if that were true, then quartz watches would have already put mechanical watchmakers out of business. The reason people like mechanical watches isn't because of technology. Actually I can't quite put my finger on it either; I just like springs and gears I guess.

I have a couple of mechanical watches, and a couple of solar-powered quartz watches (G-shock being my weekend beater), and I'll probably get an Apple Sport watch just to see what the fuss is about, but I'll always find a use for mechanical watches.

For one thing, I like wearing something that I don't see on everybody else's wrist.
 
When was the last time that you have actually used a Mac for work in a business/enterprise environment? When was the last time that you have tried to use a Mac as a work horse in a data center? And when was the last time that you had to use a Mac with a non-American keyboard?

For a home user who only surfs the web and watches the occasional movie on its machine, everything you said might be true. It might even be true when your definition of work means using Adobe Creative Suit. But everybody outside of that clientele knows that your statement simply isn't true - and never has been. It's a repetition of Apple's marketing mantra, but there are no real world facts to support it.

I'm typing this on a 13" Retina MacBook Pro - that currently runs Windows 8.1 Professional as its sole operating system. Why does it only run Win8.1? Because Yosemite is a royal pain in my work environment, which is a data center at a satellite communications teleport. Even desktop Linux is a more reliable and useful choice where I spend my working hours, and that's saying a lot.

And even if Yosemite did not have all the compatibility and stability problems that it has, its performance is horrible when compared to Windows or Linux on the same MacBook - it's a simple fact that it's the slowest of the three platforms. But performance isn't everything, I agree. If an environment generally is a pleasure to use, a performance hit here and there is a price everybody would be willing to pay. But the next reality is that OS X is NOT more comfortable or easier to use than a modern desktop Linux or even Windows. It's just different, and very often it is only different to be different, not to make things better for the user. Finder compared to Windows Explorer, for example, has been providing an inferior user experience for decades now. Quick Look is awesome, but Finder, pardon my French, is an inferior and unstable piece of crap. Not having the menu bar in the application window has been annoying me for years - but I'm using large screens or multi-screen environments. As long as you're on a single notebook display this is not much of a problem. But when you're working on a 21:9 display or two large widescreen displays this design choice of Apple's becomes immediately counter-productive and intolerable.

But my all-time favorite is the disaster that Apple produced with their non-standard keyboards. I'm using a German keyboard layout and this is the most painful thing to use when you spend your days in terminal windows. Why is there no "delete" key on their notebook keyboards? Why do they not label the braces, pipe symbol and other "special" characters properly? Hell, the whole PC industry gets that job right - only Apple seems to believe that everybody on this planet was born in California.

And if you really want to feel tortured, use VMware's vCenter with a web browser running on OS X. Enjoy the constant crashes. Enjoy the frustrating keyboard incompatibilities.

Macs are so much better and more convenient to use? Not where I earn my money.

I work for a 911 public safety equipment manufacturer and we look for reliability and you won't see Apple products on ANY 911 public safety systems.
If you can't rely on Apple for your life, then it can't be that good.
 
The Moto 360 is huge and only appeals to men. The Apple watch appeals to men and women.



The smartphone hasn't replaced desktops yet and it's near end of life.

You aren't looking forward enough. The smartphone will do it soon. That will be the first step to replacing laptops/desktops. The technology just isn't small enough yet.

The future is everyone wearing their own PC. Then all you would have are wireless docking stations at work/home/etc that allow you to use it normally.

Further, the smartwatch could display out to larger but still portable displays. Stuff the size of an iPad, or dock with a laptop sized thing with a keyboard.

When the technology allows it this is when the smartwatch will actually be smart, and every person will own one.

The first company to do this with a smartphone will be the new Apple assuming Apple doesn't do it. Smartphone aren't powerful enough yet to allow it, and there still isn't a truly good latency free wireless video standard; but it's only a matter of time.

My point though is that this is not what the iWatch is. Or any smartwatch. All current smartwatches are anything but "smart". They're just digital watches with some connectivity to your phone for extra stuff, but none of it is all that useful. At the very least it's all trash until they have the computing power to make your watch as powerful as current smartphones.
 
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The first modern smart watch that has a battery life like a 1980s TV watch

Invest some of your Billions in battery tech and get the life up to a week minimum like the Pebble has, and then you can your self a smart WATCH, at the moment, with less than a days charge, there is nothing SMART or watch like about it, its a tiny tablet that has reduced features until they get the battery life up,
 
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You agree because the iPhone, the iPad and the iPod has happened, in the "Past", proven, and if you said otherwise you are just being ignorant.

You disagree with the Watch, because it yet to happen, in the "Future", unproven, and if you said otherwise you are just labelled a fanboy.

Obviously you don't really care what people think what you think :D

While in fact, iPad, iPhone, iPod all experienced the same doubts and doubtful as Watch before the release.

Exactly. It's the internet. Why so serious?
 
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