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Tim Cook: iPad Pro Will Replace Notebooks and Desktops for 'Many, Many People'
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That is the one use case that the iPad will excel, the built in touch screen and stylus. But pro's need to get files on and off the device and on an iPad that is a pain point.
iPad Pro WIFI + Cellular with 128Gb is AUD$1699, AppleCare = AUD$129, Apple Pencil = AUD$165, Smart Keyboard = AUD$269. Total = $AUD$2,262.
MacBook Pro 13" 2.7Gb 8Gb RAM, 128GB storage= AUD$1999.
MacBook Pro 13" 2.7Gb 8Gb RAM, 256GB storage= AUD$2299.
Maybe I'm comparing apples with oranges, but bang for buck I'm going for a MacBook Pro.
MacBook Pro 13" 2.7Gb 8Gb RAM, 128GB storage= AUD$1999.
MacBook Pro 13" 2.7Gb 8Gb RAM, 256GB storage= AUD$2299.
Maybe I'm comparing apples with oranges, but bang for buck I'm going for a MacBook Pro.
That's right. think of it this way. Steve jobs is like Joseph smith and tim cook is like Brigham young. so have some ***** respect.
Got it, but don't mistake my original post. I'm agreeing with you that on the iPad Pro, I'm positive that users will Angry Bird, Jetpack Joyride, Mine Craft, like FB posts, write emails, and cruise the web like never before on this snappier and larger device!! I'm sure the MBP-equivalent price point will also further justify this larger and faster experience! It'll be revolutionary.
Crashed so badly that this product family brings in more revenue and profit than half the Fortune 500 companies manage. This is the kind of "sales crash" that most big successful companies dream of having!
I did not change anything - I used logic and understanding of language to clarify what he said. In order for "many, many" iPad Pro's to replace computers for people, you must sell "many, many" or "a lot."
What the other poster said is not logical and is based on assumption. What I said MUST be true for Tim Cook's statement to be true.
You should think things through before attempting to criticize other people...or a better grasp of thinking would help.
These internet warriors don't realize that Earth has a big population and change + progress is always occurring.
It truly is. I've always been a techie, way before I started school as a kid. My dad is an engineer.
I've always thought WE, consumers and enthusiasts of technology, are supposed to push technology and accept the changes that occurs with the world due to technology. Not sit here and force our ways onto everyone else...this isn't a religion.
Because you, or your whole company, still needs computers and laptops, doesn't mean there isn't a huge population down the street that doesn't. THAT is how technology works today.
I have people who use their iPad only. And I personally have gone weeks and months without using my laptop. You viewpoint is anecdotal. As is mine. However, there are many, many people who use iPads as their primary computer. It might depend on your definition of "many, many"...
Please read what you wrote because you just proved my point .... For complex or power use, it is not good enough, But the number of people who use a computer as a casual device is overwhelmingly larger than people who need it for complex our power use. I would say that well more than 90% of computer owners use a basically for wordprocessing Internet and maybe presentations in Excel. YOU are not the average computer user. In fact I would guess that almost everybody on this forum is not the average computer user. The average computer user is a casual user. Therefore an iPad is more than enough for most people. Your fallacy is that you think that everybody has the same computing needs as you do. The vast majority of computer users do not have the needs that we do.
The more look at the design of this device, the more it leans toward "video" and the movie/tv industry.
I think we have different definitions of Complex/Power use.
A spreadsheet from finance or projects is complex/power for the person developing it but is not for me as a board member - however I may have to input a value. For me this is casual use.
Having to change a date range on Project and dump to spreadsheet is casual use.
Pulling up to comment embedded objects in a Word doc or do a comparison review is casual use.
Pulling up an attached document in email, commenting and highlighting is a casual use.
A security level VB embedded form is complex or power.
For this to be a notebook replacement, I and many others, would need to be able to execute complex/power tasks AND allow casual use.
For that you need the desktop/notebook version.
While " more than 90% " may be factual, they can already do that on an iPad or Android tablet. Even on their smartphone. That in itself lays lie to the "Notebook/Desktop" statement. How does "bigger" make this now more relevant?
There's some guy on my Facebook friends list who ALWAYS advocates the newest Apple product as an answer to "what should I buy?". A friend of ours asked about computer recommendations in the $700-900 range and without hesitation, this dude tells her "Get an iPad Pro. There's no need to use a laptop when you have an iPad Pro, it replaces everything."
She's a computer science major. The sheer audacity someone has to recommend an iPad Pro for software development is just drastically staggering and this isn't some abnormal situation. Everywhere on this forum and everywhere the Pro is being discussed, people are clamoring about how it's going to do this or that "when people make the apps for it" and they're not even developers.
How can you pretend to claim what people will or won't do, when you don't even do that yourself?
This is the same as Tim Cook saying that Swift will take over and how anyone can write a program using Swift and yet he himself hasn't even written a Swift app. And 90% of the iOS jobs out there are still asking for Objective-C.
At the end of the day, if you need to use: software IDE's, transport files to and from your device, use expanded storage, hook up multiple devices to your machine, use instruments, multi task (real multi tasking, not iMessage and email "multi tasking"), share work across multiple users, you need a MacBook.
The iPad Pro will NEVER replace a full OS laptop. Ever. It might replace it for specialized users who have no need for IDE's, full office suites, a real browser with support for extensions/add-ons or someone who doesn't need to transfer files to/from their device easily. But will it replace the laptop in general? Hell no. And you'd be better served not buying the iPad Pro assuming that's what will happen because it'll be six months to nine months before you even see enough iPad Pro applications on the App Store just to make your iPad Pro remotely survivable as a primary computing device.
She's a computer science major. The sheer audacity someone has to recommend an iPad Pro for software development is just drastically staggering and this isn't some abnormal situation. Everywhere on this forum and everywhere the Pro is being discussed, people are clamoring about how it's going to do this or that "when people make the apps for it" and they're not even developers.
How can you pretend to claim what people will or won't do, when you don't even do that yourself?
This is the same as Tim Cook saying that Swift will take over and how anyone can write a program using Swift and yet he himself hasn't even written a Swift app. And 90% of the iOS jobs out there are still asking for Objective-C.
At the end of the day, if you need to use: software IDE's, transport files to and from your device, use expanded storage, hook up multiple devices to your machine, use instruments, multi task (real multi tasking, not iMessage and email "multi tasking"), share work across multiple users, you need a MacBook.
The iPad Pro will NEVER replace a full OS laptop. Ever. It might replace it for specialized users who have no need for IDE's, full office suites, a real browser with support for extensions/add-ons or someone who doesn't need to transfer files to/from their device easily. But will it replace the laptop in general? Hell no. And you'd be better served not buying the iPad Pro assuming that's what will happen because it'll be six months to nine months before you even see enough iPad Pro applications on the App Store just to make your iPad Pro remotely survivable as a primary computing device.
You need some clarity in your thought process. You're not really grasping this topic well.
We do have different definition....i'll clarify mine by saying that the iPad won't be suitable for advanced users. Call it whatever you want but if I'm just opening CAD files for QC that may be casual to you but it's a very specialized program/need.
A common definition of a casual user is somone who uses it for Internet, word processing, presentation prep, basic soreadsheet needs. This is the average/casual user. The VAST majority of computer users use it for only these needs. Anything beyond that is not average. Call it whatever you want.
While everything you mentioned seems simple and common to you, the majority of computer USERS wouldn't know what you were talking about, let alone need to do any of that. While I don't doubt the power needs of you or many others (I myself am in that small minority) the majority of computer users don't need what we need. Therefore any phone, tablet, etc would fill their needs. So when cook said the iPad pro will replace the computer for many people, he was correct. You said so yourself since many many people already use tablets and phones already.
I never mentioned about bigger being more relevant...but i'll bite. The iPad pro may make tablets a viable option to more people based on a combination of features...not just size. The quality of the Apple Pencil and what it can do for some users, the expanded functionality of a aingle feature or a combination of features will open up a new demographic. It remains to be seen how large that group is. And regarding the size...ill say what I tell people who said the said the same about the iPad being a big iPhone. "Yes, that's exactly right. Just like a swimming pool is just a big bathtub and used for exactly the same way". I don't have the same apps on my phone that I do my iPad. Both are as capable as the other but I find the user experience isn't the same on both. The size increase does have added value for some. It doesn't add value to others...and you seem to be in the latter group. Don't mistake your needs or use case scenario for the needs or use case for the average user.
A common definition of a casual user is somone who uses it for Internet, word processing, presentation prep, basic soreadsheet needs. This is the average/casual user. The VAST majority of computer users use it for only these needs. Anything beyond that is not average. Call it whatever you want.
While everything you mentioned seems simple and common to you, the majority of computer USERS wouldn't know what you were talking about, let alone need to do any of that. While I don't doubt the power needs of you or many others (I myself am in that small minority) the majority of computer users don't need what we need. Therefore any phone, tablet, etc would fill their needs. So when cook said the iPad pro will replace the computer for many people, he was correct. You said so yourself since many many people already use tablets and phones already.
I never mentioned about bigger being more relevant...but i'll bite. The iPad pro may make tablets a viable option to more people based on a combination of features...not just size. The quality of the Apple Pencil and what it can do for some users, the expanded functionality of a aingle feature or a combination of features will open up a new demographic. It remains to be seen how large that group is. And regarding the size...ill say what I tell people who said the said the same about the iPad being a big iPhone. "Yes, that's exactly right. Just like a swimming pool is just a big bathtub and used for exactly the same way". I don't have the same apps on my phone that I do my iPad. Both are as capable as the other but I find the user experience isn't the same on both. The size increase does have added value for some. It doesn't add value to others...and you seem to be in the latter group. Don't mistake your needs or use case scenario for the needs or use case for the average user.
Maybe it will replace a laptop/PC for some people, but I'll stick to my windows 7 laptop, it does everything I need it to.
I have no doubt that the iPad Pro can be a form factor to replace a laptop because it is impressive hardware. HOWEVER - iOS and the key Apple applications needs to be beefed up to make it a productivity tool and really useful beyond content consumption.
iOS needs to open up mouse and touchpad support. It also needs to support multiple users and a rudimentary file system to augment iCloud.
The iWork apps need a large enhancement in functionality to get close to MS Office in order to make this a real enterprise or Pro tool.
The hardware is fine - in fact the A9 chip is impressive - but the software needs work.
iOS needs to open up mouse and touchpad support. It also needs to support multiple users and a rudimentary file system to augment iCloud.
The iWork apps need a large enhancement in functionality to get close to MS Office in order to make this a real enterprise or Pro tool.
The hardware is fine - in fact the A9 chip is impressive - but the software needs work.
Dude, it's a larger and faster iPad. Whoopdee-doo. Ask yourself this question...what is the point? I'll wait.
I agree. My MBA was stolen in Ecuador and HAD to use and iPad for several months...I got used to it so much that when I returned to the States I didnt buy a new laptop. Yesterday i got the iPP with keyboard...ive been reborn and love it!