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I am a doctor and can clearly see the potential in the medical field. but its just way too expensive .When the ipad came out 16gb was ok for the non retina display and at 499$ for a touch screen as a consumption device was fine. With the advent of retina display and as apps became bigger , 16gb was way too small. The current starting price is too expensive for 32GB. With that resolution , decent pro apps would be greater than 2 GB . The top end 128 GB comes very close to the macbook range and doesn't make a lot of sense without the keyboard. However they should either drop the price of the 32 GB or at least make it 64GB for that price.
Maybe, Apple wishes everyone use their iCloud storage to store everything we need.

Apple is always greedy on startup storage option, forcing us to buy the higher tier to have a decent usable local storage capacity. Unfortunately, there seems to be no option for 64GB for iPad pro.
 
Pay attention. Apple is not and has never been marketing the iPad pro as a desktop or laptop replacement. Apple is saying that it will become the primary device for a lot of people by replacing their desktop or laptop they have for the things they use it for.

Know the difference in the meaning.

Not so based on what Tim said during the interview. If you read the full article from telegraph, you will come to conclude that he really means what he is saying in a literal sense, and believes that it is a desktop or laptop replacement.

Tim Cook:
“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones,”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-the-PC-and-hints-at-new-medical-product.html

Fairly conceited statements if one would ask me..
 
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Not so based on what Tim said during the interview.

“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?” Tim Cook told The Telegraph. In the same interview he revealed Apple might be working on a different wearable-related product other than the Watch that might be used in medicine and might require FDA regulation.
“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones,” Cook added.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-the-PC-and-hints-at-new-medical-product.html


The "many many" people are none of the forum participants here actually. The many many people are the one's who lose their files on their own machine "where did my file go?" - those nice, (but barely computer literate), people in all our lives.

I used to be the guy in the family who had to fix everyone's computer. I tried to teach them how to do it themselves, but the actual truth is that they just don't care enough to learn - it went on for years and years. These days they do all they want on their iPhone or iPad and they don't have to beg me to fix their broken machines.

iOS is great for the "many many" people who just want to do the basics and not be burdened or even aware of the concept of maintenance.

Look at the PC market - it has been contracting a lot in the last few years I think - a huge slump in PC sales. Only Apple has been showing (nearly) double digit growth in PC (Mac) sales, I think.

If you have a Windows machine from 5 years ago - what is the compelling reason to get a new one for the "many many" people? I don't see the need to get more computing power for most of my friends. All they need is a web browser from what I can tell.
 
The "many many" people are none of the forum participants here actually. The many many people are the one's who lose their files on their own machine "where did my file go?" - those nice, (but barely computer literate), people in all our lives.

I used to be the guy in the family who had to fix everyone's computer. I tried to teach them how to do it themselves, but the actual truth is that they just don't care enough to learn - it went on for years and years. These days they do all they want on their iPhone or iPad and they don't have to beg me to fix their broken machines.

iOS is great for the "many many" people who just want to do the basics and not be burdened or even aware of the concept of maintenance.

Look at the PC market - it has been contracting a lot in the last few years I think - a huge slump in PC sales. Only Apple has been showing (nearly) double digit growth in PC (Mac) sales, I think.

If you have a Windows machine from 5 years ago - what is the compelling reason to get a new one for the "many many" people? I don't see the need to get more computing power for most of my friends. All they need is a web browser from what I can tell.

To be fair, I havent said anything about "many many" people. That is what Tim said. I simply presented the quote from Tim himself. Your points are well noted however.
 
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Not so based on what Tim said during the interview. If you read the full article from telegraph, you will come to conclude that he really means what he is saying in literal sense, and believes that it is a desktop or laptop replacement.

Tim:
“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

“Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones,”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-the-PC-and-hints-at-new-medical-product.html

I've read this and you too do not understand.

He is saying that it will replace the computers in people's homes (consumers) for the things that they use it for. He is not saying the iPad is here to replace desktop and laptop computers or to make it obsolete. At least not this iteration of the iPad.

Why can't you guys understand this?
 
I've read this and you too do not understand.

He is saying that it will replace the computers in people's homes (consumers) for the things that they use it for. He is not saying the iPad is here to replace desktop and laptop computers or to make it obsolete. At least not this iteration of the iPad.

Why can't you guys understand this?

I agree with you. I dont think that Tim is possibly saying that iPad Pro is making desktop or laptop obsolete. There is no way an iOS device can do that. But he does gives us readers a rhetorical question to think about why we would need a PC when there is an iOS device.

Tim Cook:
“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

For the full context of how he is relating his new product with PC in the interview:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-the-PC-and-hints-at-new-medical-product.html
 
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The "many many" people are none of the forum participants here actually. The many many people are the one's who lose their files on their own machine "where did my file go?" - those nice, (but barely computer literate), people in all our lives.

I used to be the guy in the family who had to fix everyone's computer. I tried to teach them how to do it themselves, but the actual truth is that they just don't care enough to learn - it went on for years and years. These days they do all they want on their iPhone or iPad and they don't have to beg me to fix their broken machines.

iOS is great for the "many many" people who just want to do the basics and not be burdened or even aware of the concept of maintenance.

Look at the PC market - it has been contracting a lot in the last few years I think - a huge slump in PC sales. Only Apple has been showing (nearly) double digit growth in PC (Mac) sales, I think.

Yet iPad sales have crashed
 
iPad sales are dying and this is Apple attempt to revitalise the market. Will it be successful? Time will tell but it will likely only appeal to a niche market. There are those who must have every new Apple device and we will see early demand that will drop off over time.
 
Yet iPad sales have crashed

And yet someone purchased 9.9 million iPads last quarter. Who were they?

Maybe the people who don't need a full computer anymore have already purchased an iPad and are satisfied for the time being. I think they've sold 300 million of them so far.

And iPads last a loooong time, right? We're not even sure what the upgrade cycle for the iPad is yet. This is a product that has only been around for 5 years.

We track sales every quarter... but a person might buy an iPad once every 16 quarters.

We don't know what the "normal" amount of iPads that should be sold each quarter is.

But yes... the number of iPads sold last quarter is a lower number than the same quarter a year ago. But I'm not sure what the conclusion is.
 
Tim Cook:
“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

This guy is asking why you would buy a personal computer, and heads a company that MAKES personal computers? Seriously, he should know better than to make such an idiotic statement. Does he really think that little of the entire Mac range?
 
And yet someone purchased 9.9 million iPads last quarter. Who were they?

Maybe the people who don't need a full computer anymore have already purchased an iPad and are satisfied for the time being. I think they've sold 300 million of them so far.

I like my iPad (not as much as I like my iPhone and Mac) and my girlfriend has just bought an Air 2. She is happy with it. Her iPad fullfills 90% of what she needs. But she stills need a notebook, unfortunately. And she is a really basic user. Same for my mother and for my best friend and any collegues in the university where i work. So all these people buy, use and like their iPads, probably much more than their laptop. They all add up to those 300 million people. But they still NEED a laptop, until Apples wakes up, and the iPad pro won't change this. That's why sales are falling, in my opinion: when you need two devices, you can't upgrade so often. And when you realize that the new iPads have the same limits of the old ones, you are less willing to do so.
I'm not saying that the iPad must cover 100% of a laptop features but there are some serious gaps right now that needs to be filled, and I'm waiting since the iPad 2 was released. Most, if not all, of these gaps are software related.

A personal note: My dream is to see a day where gatekeeper is brought from OSX to iOS and a user can choose to download software outside the app store. And yes, I know I'll keep dreaming for a long time, but I can't imagine living 100% on a device where a single company decides what I can run on it and takes 30% of every software sold. It's ok for a phone, or for something between a phone and my main computer. But this can't be my main computer. I know many people will disagree, but this is a very important freedom I'm not willing to loose for convenience. Until this thing will change, I'll be a Mac guy that in addition has an iPad and an iPhone.

Ps: At least now, if you have a Mac, you can use non approved open source software on your iPad, without a jailbreak. But, like I said, you need a Mac, it's not an easy procedure for the average user and most people don't even know.
 
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I used to be the guy in the family who had to fix everyone's computer. I tried to teach them how to do it themselves, but the actual truth is that they just don't care enough to learn - it went on for years and years. These days they do all they want on their iPhone or iPad and they don't have to beg me to fix their broken machines.

iOS is great for the "many many" people who just want to do the basics and not be burdened or even aware of the concept of maintenance.

I know a couple people that could use a system that I do not have to maintain every few weeks. However they would need a real keyboard. Fifteen plus years of using a computer every day and their knowledge base is likely where I was at within the first year without even trying.

I do not really understanding not learning how to fix or use things completely that you use every single day. Chaos with bookmarks, downloaded files etc...

Now someone wants to do very basic editing of videos. (Talking ten minutes to figure out how basic this is) If I TRY to show them how it is done I wonder how many times I will have to do it.

If their needs are basic it would be quite nice if they used something that is very user friendly that requires little work to maintain.
 
This guy is asking why you would buy a personal computer, and heads a company that MAKES personal computers? Seriously, he should know better than to make such an idiotic statement. Does he really think that little of the entire Mac range?

Steve Jobs always said that Apple is okay with their products being replaced by other products as long as they are Apple Products.

So, if people are replacing their iPods and iPhones, great. If people are replacing their Windows machines with iPads, great. If people are replacing their Macs with iPads, great. If people are replacing their Macs with Windows machines, problem!

iPad probably have a better margin then Macs and if you look at the iPad Pro, it costs pretty much what a Mac does, so I don't think Tim Cook cares if you buy and Mac or an iPad Pro, as long as you buy either a Mac or an iPad Pro, Apple wins.

And given that the A9 processor in the iPad Pro is desktop class, this could very well be the beginning of the desktop line transitioning to the Ax processor line in the future. Maybe not the whole range of systems, I'm sure the 15" and Mac Pro's won't transition for at least 5 years, but if you're following what's happening on the Xcode side of things, you already know that Apple has technology in place to dynamically rebuild Apps if they change processors...
 
The iPad pro will sell no doubt. But Tim Cook is crazy to think an ipad pro can replace a laptop. People like myself who need a laptop aren't going to give up them up in favor of an ipad pro unless it can run desktop programs.

Secondly the folks who don't need a laptop already own an ipad or an android tablet and probably don't see the need to upgrade to an ipad pro.
 
I meant a paper-killer device, the ipad pro may be it, because a chromebook/laptop is good for typing on a keyboard, but it doesn't work for every subject. What I'd like to see is a device that replaces paper entirely, where you can do math, physics etc.

I agree that the iPad Pro in thoery could be good for classroom based education.

The problem here is the price. Apple has shown historically that they're not willing to budge very much even for school boards. When you can get a chromebook for a couple hundred a piece to give away to students, Apple is going to fight an uphill battle when you're now asking to nee $1000 devices to give to students.
 
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This guy is asking why you would buy a personal computer, and heads a company that MAKES personal computers? Seriously, he should know better than to make such an idiotic statement. Does he really think that little of the entire Mac range?

Agreed. Tim might be a great supply chain manager, a magician at cutting costs for the company and its investors, but that might just be how far his scope and understanding goes. If he continues to say these kind of nonesense as a head of the company and slips from making good results, his days as a ceo could be numbered.

So far iWatch project left so much to be wanted. Investors will watch closely how he performs with iPad pro.
 
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You guys are so closed minded and I disagree will every thing you said.

1. People will buy the iPad pro for what it can do and how it benefits them. While the iPad Air 2 is much more affordable if they want an iPad pro for what it can do they will get it regardless of it being almost double the price. It's about what the iPad pro can do better than the other smaller iPads that matter.

2. iPads have proper keyboards for typing. Where do you magically pull a 30% or less for the time they will spend typing on the device? Sketching apps are far from the only apps that this device appeals to. Reading and writing apps will be a huge deal on this. Being able to read full pages without crop or full pages side by side in two apps open at the same time. Or reading a text book and taking notes at the same time. So many possibilities!

3. iCloud storage comes with 5gigs free and if that isn't enough people can pay for more storage. One dollar for 50 gigs a month. Every year since the introduction of iCloud the service gets better and better. There is now iCloud Drive for better management and sharing of documents and files.

So here is my recap. You are closed minded if you cannot see past the fact that drawing isn't the only good use for this device. Keyboards on iPads have been great for years and the iPad pro will have even better keyboards to type on with better connectivity using the new connection port. Most people won't mind paying one dollar a month for 50gigs once they understand what it is for and how it benefits them by having all their content saved and synced via iCloud. The iPad pro will outlast other current iPads simply because it is way more powerful and will be able to receive more future updates than the rest. It is simply more capable. There is no need for another working computer on the side for most tasks people do. It isn't a small group of people that will purchase the iPad pro, it's just a different group of people. The sales will be through the roof with this one. I see how this can benefit me more than my iPad mini and more than a standard sized iPad so I'll be picking my iPad pro up on launch day.

It's a bit odd to call me closed minded but you haven't mentioned a single reason to recommend the iPad Pro to someone as a primary device (an EDC, if you will), as Tim Cook suggests. I think the closed minded are those who can't think critically and can't apply basic economic principles to the information before them.

To address you counterpoints:

1. People will buy a product if it is priced correctly and it addresses a need or want they have. That's a broad and basic truth. I'm arguing the iPad Pro, as it exists today, is priced way too high and thus fails the first part of that truth. The iPad Pro can do some things better than an Air2. Are those improvements worth ~$300 more, or 30-50% more depending on configuration? What else can that $300 more buy, in the general computing space? In this present case, that $300 more (in the $1000+ category) brings a buyer into a while other tier of products. The value proposition of the iPad Pro becomes a really difficult sell. Rather than saying the iPad Pro does everything most people do today, the question is does the iPad Pro do everything most people do today better than similarly priced alternatives? I think the answer is no, it does not.

2. I got the 30% from personal and professional experience. Yes, the iPad can have a keyboard. But in nearly every instance (including the Surface line of products), a tablet paired with a keyboard is heavier and thicker than a similarly priced laptop, and almost always the keyboard is of worse quality. The proper bluetooth keyboards with full-size keys are not portable. The Logitech K810 in my opinion is the closest you can get to a Macbook quality keyboard for a tablet. People always say the benefit is choosing when you want a keyboard and when you want a tablet only, and that is a very valid point. The question is at what point is the quality of the keyboard in a mobile environment important enough to a user that it is better to have an attached proper keyboard (a laptop)? If someone uses a keyboard only 10% of the time, then it's clearly not an important-enough function to have it attached at all times. If someone uses a keyboard 50% of the time, I would say it's a very major part of someone's work or usage, and they should probably go with a laptop. Most students, for example, use a keyboard in far more than 50% of their tasks. The 30% isn't magic, it's just a back of the napkin educated guess, and the number will vary for everyone. But everyone has an answer to the question above, and that answer I believe will steer most people willing to spend $1000+ to a laptop rather than the iPad Pro. The only people who will be steering towards the iPad Pro are the ones for whom stylus input is more important than keyboard input. That just isn't a whole lot of people today.

3. All iPads, big and small, pretty much require either another computer for syncing and backing up or require a iCloud subscription. Assuming, as Tim Cook suggests, the iPad should replace someones primary computer. How many files does a person keep that they do not want to lose? I have about 10GB of photos from my high school, college, graduate program, and relatively short professional career - people who have kids today probably have at least double or triple that, if not more. How about documents? Every document, powerpoint, excel, schematic, drawing, design, render, etc., every file people just want to have. If those aren't kept on another computer, where do you keep those things? Surely not on the iPad itself, as it is easily broken (and once broken, files cannot be recovered). Do you expect these people to pay $1-$10/month in perpetuity to store that stuff? I think most people don't want to commit to paying a monthly fee forever, even a low one, just to keep all their stuff. A USB hard drive is so cheap, yet totally incompatible with any iPad. Add that to the fact that even cloud storage is not immune from errors, having a proper backup is thus important. How do you backup the files on iCloud using only an iPad Pro? Realistically, people's primary computer, the computer where they keep their files that they want to actually keep for a long time, will probably not be an iPad. Not as the iPad exists today, anyway.

I'm glad you're getting an iPad Pro. I hope you like it. It's surely going to be a fantastic device. Because it's priced like a laptop, it's not a good value proposition for most people.
 
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I meant a paper-killer device, the ipad pro may be it, because a chromebook/laptop is good for typing on a keyboard, but it doesn't work for every subject. What I'd like to see is a device that replaces paper entirely, where you can do math, physics etc.

I'm beginning to think this is never going to happen. I have tried it so many times. I tried earnestly to stop printing PDFs at work and only view them on my iPad Air2. Back in school, I tried scanning all my textbook reading assignments and reading and annotating them on my then iPad4 with a good Jot stylus. It's just not as good. Flipping physical pages beats the iPad every time. In a 50 page document, being able to just from memory remember that what you read was about 15 pages back and quickly flipping back while scanning just for some reason works better with real paper. Being able to put mutliple documents on the table in front of my and comparing is impossible on an iPad. Sure the Pro can show 2 documents side-by-side, but sometimes I need to reference 3 different documents while writing another and updating cross-references in another already written document. Even with a laptop/ipod pair, it's too much of a pain to flip back and forth. Reading a textbook is the same - sections will reference back and forth another section, or you will want to look back at that note you jotted down somewhere.

The only place I have been able to replace paper entirely is with novels. Reading novels on the e-ink Kindle is better than paper, in my opinion. I think the reason is because when reading novels, you don't flip back and forth very often. It's linear, you go from page 1 to end, and that's it.

Basically, until the issue of quickly flipping pages back and forth can be solved, paper will be better.
 
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Pay attention. Apple is not and has never been marketing the iPad pro as a desktop or laptop replacement. Apple is saying that it will become the primary device for a lot of people by replacing their desktop or laptop they have for the things they use it for.

Know the difference in the meaning.

Thanks Chief.
 
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iPad needs iTunes to do many things so you need a PC plus one needs a way to connect to lots of storage so the iPad need something like a USB port. Mind you, I love the iPad and will buy the iPad Pro the day it comes out, but replace a PC? Not yet!

The iPad does not need iTunes on a computer or a computer for anything. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
It is frightening how many are stuck in the "way things are done" and so closed to different ways 8(

Well somethings stick around because they just work my friend. It could be little to do with closed or open mindedness of individuals.. Make a geat product, and it will stay.
 
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Obviously I was only speaking for myself as I didn't say all artist.

I have to disagree with you that artist are the real target, I think its really aimed at the corporate crowd.

Macs were always known for being used by creatives and it made them appealing to the corporate worker who wanted the look. I think the same is in motion here, Apple is saying this is cool and used by creative professionals, and you don't have to be one to buy one. Nothing wrong with that approach, if it sells good for them.



I stopped running a hardware based email program about a year ago and only use the web version and it's really helped with that issue. Especially on a desktop, the Mac email program saves every single email in a cluster of folders that take up a massive amount of space over time.
yet most of the advertising/promoting campaign in the last weeks was directed towards artists ...

iPad Pro replace a Mac, really?

What version of the JDK runs on iPad Pro?
What version of R and R-Studio run on the iPad Pro?
How many TB of storage in the iPad Pro?
What version of Eclipse runs on the iPad Pro?
What versions of Virtual Box run on the iPad Pro?
What version of Maven runs on iPad Pro?
(etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, ...)

While I like the iPad Pro and may eventually buy one, I don't think it is ever going to replace my Mac Pro (late 2013). And I'm not going to willingly give up the Mac Pro because I never ever want to go back to Windows!
While FOR MY USAGE it can't replace my MacBook, did you realize that not all of the worldwide users consider your points of primary importance ?

And yes, but who will replace Tim Cook?

(A visionary and not another bean counter, hopefully.)
I'm sure Apple's shareholders aren't interested in having Cook replaced...

You forgot "for me".
A lot of people in this thread (and on this forum in general) forgot about those words ....

I'm in the same boat currently. I dabble with photoshop and Lightroom as a sometimes sit on the coach mobile option for editting photos as an amateur hobby photographer

if I'm going to spend $1000 on a touch based tablet device for editting photos. I'm not getting the Pro. I'm getting a Surface Pro with the ability to run the exact same software that you can run on your desktop or laptop.
I can't see any good reason to opt for an half baked product like a Surface Pro...
Finished sentence: would be horrible on a tablet.
Yep, like Windows 8.1/10 is on a tablet...

OS X is fine on the Macbook Air (tablet with keyboard attached and touch disabled)
If you can't see the difference between a MBA and a tablet, well ....

There will be a huge audience where it being 12.9" will be the special thing about it. Average people might not care about specs, might not care about the pencil, but say the screen is bigger and better than ever before and you'll get sales. Apple has that kind of reputation with normal people.
Most of the users here are so selfish and arrogant that think all Apple's customers are perfect idiots (or iSheep) ...
It's amusing to see how they seem to feel somewhat "superior" here ...

Funny that a Surface Pro can't replace a notebook but an iPad Pro can.
both of them can't ... for different reasons.

Who said a SP can't replace a laptop?
I did.
I agree that the iPad Pro in thoery could be good for classroom based education.

The problem here is the price. Apple has shown historically that they're not willing to budge very much even for school boards. When you can get a chromebook for a couple hundred a piece to give away to students, Apple is going to fight an uphill battle when you're now asking to nee $1000 devices to give to students.
iPad Pro pricing is totally wrong.
If you live outside US is even ridiculous ....
 
yet most of the advertising/promoting campaign in the last weeks was directed towards artists ...


While FOR MY USAGE it can't replace my MacBook, did you realize that not all of the worldwide users consider your points of primary importance ?


I'm sure Apple's shareholders aren't interested in having Cook replaced...


A lot of people in this thread (and on this forum in general) forgot about those words ....


I can't see any good reason to opt for an half baked product like a Surface Pro...

Yep, like Windows 8.1/10 is on a tablet...


If you can't see the difference between a MBA and a tablet, well ....


Most of the users here are so selfish and arrogant that think all Apple's customers are perfect idiots (or iSheep) ...
It's amusing to see how they seem to feel somewhat "superior" here ...


both of them can't ... for different reasons.


I did.

iPad Pro pricing is totally wrong.
If you live outside US is even ridiculous ....

Windows is better on a tablet than OS X would be.
 
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