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After taxes, most of the Apple products have gotten to a price that just isn't worth it. That, and the strong dollar is just cherry on top with Apple's currency conversion.

I think it has effectively pushed me into keeping my products well into 3-4 years or more range.
Thankfully, just a mid cycle battery replacement and they actually do last that long so it's win-win.

I don't know if that's cause or effect. I personally believe people are keeping their phones for longer because even three year-old phones are still good enough and that's the reason prices are going up so they can keep profits up even if they sell fewer units.
 
after having the iPhone X for a year I still don't think it's worth $1k. Maybe $800 but that's still pushing it. Face ID is okay and the camera is great, except for portrait mode. The iOS is still the same crap they push out every year. Nothing is ground breaking in these phones that makes it worth the price they are shoving down our throats.
 
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In this day and age 64GB should not be an option. This pricing model is nothing but self serving.

I have 32 gig iPhone 7 and I use about two thirds of it. Not everyone has a billion apps and photos. I think it’s more than enough for a casual user.
 
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Well...not everyone. I mean the cheapest phone is still $600. The XR is only meeting the vaguest definition of edge to edge. It still have large bezels. So maybe my old iPhone is also edge to edge.
 
I still have my 6S+, which I bought after the 7's came out for a reduced price. It works just fine for my needs - which include support for wired headphones. When the battery goes out on it, I'll try to replace it with another 6S+ if they're still in stock. Currently, my provider still offers them new for $550 - likely not much longer. The improved photography on the new models is nice, but if my main reason for spending mega-bucks for a phone was for a fancy camera I'd just fork over for a nice DSLR digital camera and stick with a moderately priced phone.

May I suggest you take advantage of Apple's battery replacement program ($29 until end of 2018; $49 thereafter) rather than buying a whole new iPhone and throwing money away.
 
With what they're charging for phones now, how much would a MacBook cost in this new pricing scheme/reality? $2,600?
 

"We always thought ... that if you provide a lot of innovation and a lot of value, there is a segment of people who are willing to pay for it," Cook said. "For us, it's a large enough group of people that we can make a reasonable business out of it."
Article Link: Tim Cook on iPhone Prices: 'We Want to Serve Everyone'
This sums up Apple's current philosophy in a nutshell. It also explains why the new Macs have become less attractive to both longtime and new Mac customers. At the high end, the Mac Pro has not seen any innovation for 4-5 years. At the lower end, the Mac Mini has been ignored/neglected for a similar period of time. Laptops offer few ports, flawed keyboard design, and cooling problems. iMacs remain as a decent offering, but middling performance for the price as compared to the competition. The primary attraction for Mac users these days, particularly longtime users, is in OSX/MacOS and associated software offerings exclusive to the Mac. The trend seems to be in Apple focussing less and less on Mac innovation in favor of iOS mobile offerings. This bodes ill for the future of the Mac over time if trends don't change. How this is relevant to Apple phones and iOS directions is hard to judge just yet, except that stagnation in design and continued price inflation will eventually take its toll, and if the Mac really does fail or lose relevance as a customer base, the "walled Apple garden" will become less attractive even to users of only iOS devices. As PC's have become increasingly competitive with Macs, both in hardware and software offerings (at relatively cheaper prices), so Android phones will become increasingly competitive with Apple offerings. How long will there be a "segment of people who are willing to pay for it." ?
 
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I’m playing devils advocate. Releasing a new model does not mean releasing new technology. It’s lipstick on a pig.
Perhaps, but Apple consistently and loudly implies it’s the “best ever”. Just watch every announcement event video Cook has ever done.
 
From a business perspective, the iPhone Xr seems amazing. It's $250 less than the Xs but seems to lack more than $250 worth of components (especially once you account for margins on each component). It doesn't have an OLED screen, ForceTouch, a secondary camera, the thinnest bezels, or stainless steel body, but it's still ostensibly a thing of beauty.

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Apple is trying to acclimatize consumers to pay $1000 for a phone.
 
For me it's over. Apple is price gouging and I feel insulted by them. €1000 - 1500 for a freaking phone... what kind of zombie consumer moron do you think I am.

For lack of innovation on the Mac end I switched to windows as a professional user a couple of months back, I'm very happy.

I would stay in the iPhone game if the 7 would be priced like the SE.

Wishing there would be more competition in terms of OS on the phone side. Ubuntu mobile died a couple of years back... I don't want android purely because of google privacy concerns.
 
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They actually started out high. The 200 price was after backlash.

Yeah. It was $600 and $500 iirc with contract! $3-400 was usually the absolute most a high end phone cost. They had to get rid of the subsidized model though. It was not good business for the carriers with huge volume and many foreigners would come to America to get cheap iPhones and leave.

On another note: The price of the 512gb MAX has got to take the world record for most expensive phone ever. $1577 w/ tax and over $1900 in Germany! Jeebus that’s really pushing it! The MBP is truly a bargain!
 
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I think it's a fair point. The iPhone 7 isn't all that much bigger than an SE, and at $449, is a pretty good price.
Really?
 
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Perhaps, but Apple consistently and loudly implies it’s the “best ever”. Just watch every announcement event video Cook has ever done.
And every manufacturer of every product does exactly the same thing. I can see Samsung saying, “the note 9 costs less than the note 8, but we gave you two years soc, ddr2 etc. of course 2018 cars are better than 2017, note 9 > note 8, iPhone Xs > iPhone X.

Why isn’t that obvious.
 
I'm sorry but More than $1400 for a iphone plus size at 512Gig is way too much Apple. I was actually figuring that this one would come in at $1000. Utterly disappointed

By that logic, your pricing would be the following (not using percentages, just the price delta dollar amounts):

iPhone Xs Max 64GB - $650.00
iPhone Xs Max 256GB - $800.00
iPhone Xs Max 256GB - $1000.00

iPhone Xs 64GB - $550.00
iPhone Xs 256GB - $700.00
iPhone Xs 512GB - $9000.00

Your comment was meant as satire, right?
 
That kind of logic is baffling. If the storage were irrelevant, there would be no 512GB option.
"is all but irrelevant" means it is not irrelevant but there are so few reasons for massive amounts of storage and so few users that require it, and also, iCloud solves 99% of storage issues for all. In the end, the 512GB option is Apple's way of profiting off a few pros that need 512GB and also a way for Apple to compete with Samsung who offers more than 512GB total capacity.
 
This sums up Apple's current philosophy in a nutshell. It also explains why the new Macs have become less attractive to both longtime and new Mac customers. At the high end, the Mac Pro has not seen any innovation for 4-5 years. At the lower end, the Mac Mini has been ignored/neglected for a similar period of time. Laptops offer few ports, flawed keyboard design, and cooling problems. iMacs remain as a decent offering, but middling performance for the price as compared to the competition. The primary attraction for Mac users these days, particularly longtime users, is in OSX/MacOS and associated software offerings exclusive to the Mac. The trend seems to be in Apple focussing less and less on Mac innovation in favor of iOS mobile offerings. This bodes ill for the future of the Mac over time if trends don't change. How this is relevant to Apple phones and iOS directions is hard to judge just yet, except that stagnation in design and continued price inflation will eventually take its toll, and if the Mac really does fail or lose relevance as a customer base, the "walled Apple garden" will become less attractive even to users of only iOS devices. As PC's have become increasingly competitive with Macs, both in hardware and software offerings (at relatively cheaper prices), so Android phones will become increasingly competitive with Apple offerings. How long will there be a "segment of people who are willing to pay for it." ?
My husband is already questioning Apple as his university is pressuring him to upgrade his 2013 imac and his 2013 home imac has a broken lcd. A reasonable imac costs $2000 with small ssd drive (who buys a spinning platter for a boot drive?). Not sure after all these decades he will stay mac with their quality control problems and overpriced replacement parts.
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"is all but irrelevant" means it is not irrelevant but there are so few reasons for massive amounts of storage and so few users that require it, and also, iCloud solves 99% of storage issues for all. In the end, the 512GB option is Apple's way of profiting off a few pros that need 512GB and also a way for Apple to compete with Samsung who offers more than 512GB total capacity.
Can you upload images selectively so that if you delete pictures on your device they stay in icloud? Because I sure couldn’t find a way to do that.
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I thought so. I handled both and didn't find it to be such a huge difference. If it doesn't work for you, then I suppose you're out of luck for now. I am sure there are some SE's for sale out there still though.
Did you stick it in your front pocket? My husband, son, and I all carry it this way.
 
While nice to have of course, 512GB on a phone is really overkill. Even if you wanted to shoot hours and hours of 4K, anyone who would really need this will not be shooting with an iPhone! It’s also totally unnecessary to keep every single photo you’ve taken in your camera roll. Offload them to a Mac, upload them to the cloud or something. I think 128 or 256 is the ideal size. Whichever is offered as the mid tier option. 64gb is doable for many but app sizes keep increasing so 64gb is really not enough but 512gb is overkill at least for the rest of the decade. In 2022, perhaps it will be a different story.
 
My husband is already questioning Apple as his university is pressuring him to upgrade his 2013 imac and his 2013 home imac has a broken lcd. A reasonable imac costs $2000 with small ssd drive (who buys a spinning platter for a boot drive?). Not sure after all these decades he will stay mac with their quality control problems and overpriced replacement parts.
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Can you upload images selectively so that if you delete pictures on your device they stay in icloud? Because I sure couldn’t find a way to do that.
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Did you stick it in your front pocket? My husband, son, and I all carry it this way.

Oh yea, of course. I used to carry my 7 Plus in my fron't pocket without issue. I also wear relatively skinny pants, no problems.
 
Indeed it is, but still... he’s about to literally destroy millions of X units (the “most innovative phone ever”) just 1 year after launch in pursuit of profit. Gotta acknowledge that.
Please point me to the new article where Tim Cook has ordered the physical destruction of iPhone X's that were introduced last year? Because there is no Duke graduate in his right mind is going to destroy product that his company can still sell and make a profit on?

If you are talking about Apple Give Back, then the vast majority of those iPhone X models will be refurbished and sold on eBay, Woot, Boost, Cricket, StraightTalk, et al. websites as refurbished models with a limited warranty at a reduced cost. Is there something wrong with that?

A business exists to make a profit, it is up to the consumer to decide if they want to give the company their money in return for goods and services that the company offers. In fact, he has a fiduciary responsibility to Apple shareholders to pursue, keep and maintain profitability. Without it, he would be fired and employees could lose there jobs as a result of lower profitability. Basic Economics 101. Acknowledged.
 
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