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Innovation is finding a new use for something that already exist or add something new to something that exists or add together existing things in a new way, which leads to economic success for the business.

The modern use of the word innovation is tightly tied to business theory.

You seem to use the word in an entirely different way.

I don't know if you want to split hairs then Apple is just not AS innovative as it used to be. Merriam-Webster defines the term "innovation" as the introduction of something new. This could be a new use for an existing thing or it could be creating a brand new thing. Let's say Apple has been adding improvements to existing things, but hasn't really been inventing any new things. Even the Apple Watch is just an iPhone on a wrist. Again they have had more recent successes in the evolution of accessories and not with the revolution of brand new ones.

You tell me what is more innovative – revolutionizing how people buy computers or music...or snazzy new earbuds and tiny iphones/ipods you wear on your wrist.

And their computers are lagging behind. Their flagship products...they basically take a back seat to all of the iOS products.
 
Are we talking about Apple computers or Apple phones and accessories?

To put it simply, I can't make it for living with an iPhone, airpods or watch. I used to make it with two G4's and Mac Pro cheesegrater back in the day, and now I'm stuck with 2014 Air for the road and building a hackintosh, because I'm not gonna spend few thousand bucks into a non-upgradeable working machine which obviously might run into a hardware issue.
It was Jobs who dropped “Computer” from the company name...
 
Agreed. Macrumors is becoming overly infested with anti-Apple Tim Cook haters who think it is cool to spend their limited time on this planet bashing everything Apple and everything Tim Cook. As already pointed out on this very thread, many people don't even have an accurate understanding of what has happened (Tim Cook being assigned to where he is by Steve Jobs himself).



I didn't believe it till I took the time (wasted) to read. Why is it so popular to hate? I remember growing up and everyone hated Microsoft back in the day. I started purchasing Apple products in 2012 and find it a great company with great products, and that continues to this day today.

I don't understand the need to hate on something. I couldn't imagine wasting my day (or days) hating on something. If I didn't like it, I would move off to something I do like. Apple must be hellishly popular for people to waste their limited time on this planet hating on it every day here on Macrumors.


I've read the Johnny Ives book. It wasn't an easy read but it was interesting and gave me more insight (as someone who joined Apple's product line in 2012) than I had before. I am planning on reading the Tim Cook book as well, once the prices go down.

I think some of Apples moves might have caused some hate. I'm not sure if Tim Cook is the person that is responsible for all of these things. I'm sure investors are happy and Apple becoming the most valued company in the world is a feat.
But a company that considers itself to be "green" and charging top dollar for a computer that is not nearly the best and using older generation tech and gluing everything in so its not user upgradable makes for some confusion to say the least.
Apple's current direction is confusing to say the least.
 
Tim Cook is doing an incredible job. His predecessor – a man widely heralded as being the greatest CEO in history – died 8 years ago and Cook has increased the worth of the company several times over since then. Apple didn't collapse after Jobs; it thrived. I remember going to McDonald's corporate headquarters years ago and saw a sign that read "for things to stay the way they are, we have to change". Acknowledging that there is no "treading water" when it comes to corporate governance. The competition is simply too good, the customer is always changing, the opportunities are different, and technology keeps on going. He's shown remarkable restraint in not chasing premature technologies. I remember hearing that Apple was "late" to VR and AR. Apple would have wasted a lot of money and good faith chasing those early.

The critics made fun of the Apple Watch and instead of dropping it, Cook's continued slow and steady progress to making it a loved product. Critics thought Apple Music was a waste of time but it's overtaken Spotify in the US. The iPad Pro is an incredible machine. Marzipan is going to be platform changing for the Mac. They *could* listen to the critics and revert back to the old laptop keyboards, but they're more likely to fix the issues and then we'll have a more stable keyboard that feels better to many AND performs as well as the past ones.

Jobs was a genius and apparently made a great choice for the person to continue his life's work.

the company thrived despite Tim Cook. The iphone sells itself.
 
Are we talking about Apple computers or Apple phones and accessories?

To put it simply, I can't make it for living with an iPhone, airpods or watch. I used to make it with two G4's and Mac Pro cheesegrater back in the day, and now I'm stuck with 2014 Air for the road and building a hackintosh, because I'm not gonna spend few thousand bucks into a non-upgradeable working machine which obviously might run into a hardware issue.
In a few months time the new Mac Pro will be out and I am sure you'll find a laundry list of reasons why it is no good. The company was headed towards a mobile future while Steve Jobs was still alive. Tim Cook just continued on what Jobs was doing.
 
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The only thing keeping me with Apple at this point is the simple fact that Windows and Android are so unbelievably terrible. Linux is great but still somewhat limited. This is coming from someone who has used Apple products since the release of the original Macintosh, back when I was a kid. It's very sad and yes, I blame Cook, Ive and the lot of them.
Yes shame to see what they've done to the Mac..I think the mac mini and the new iMac are good if you buy them used.
But making the mac so you can't upgrade seems like you are punishing the buyer!
Evidently Cook is trying to kill off the Mac?
 
In a few months time the new Mac Pro will be out and I am sure you'll find a laundry list of reasons why it is no good. The company was headed towards a mobile future while Steve Jobs was still alive. Tim Cook just continued on what Jobs was doing.

I'm afraid you don't get my point. Couldn't care less if it was Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, Bill Gates or whoever. I'm not a fanboy (never was), I just buy things that suit my needs, apart from the branding on the case. It just coincided it was Apple for a few decades, and if any other manufacturer meets those needs in the near future, I would switch without any regrets.

That being said, I'm not gonna talk about what the next Mac Pro could be. They can switch back to the fully modular Pro workstation with no issues, like it used to be back in the day, and I'll be happy and buy it. But at the moment I'm talking about the present state, and it's not good. Simply as that.
 
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That being said, I'm not gonna talk about what the next Mac Pro could be. They can switch back to the fully modular Pro workstation with no issues, like it used to be back in the day, and I'll be happy and buy it. But at the moment I'm talking about the present state, and it's not good. Simply as that.

Would love that. I just hope when they say “modular” they don’t mean proprietary modules made by Apple. Let’s go back to third party upgrades.
 
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Oh my god, ... now this! Haha

I know right?

The key founder had to be on his death bed before getting his Autobiography written, while the other remaining lasting founder of Apple, I don't believe has an authorized autobiography as of yet.

Tim seems very egotistical with this latest venture ... almost screaming and dieiing to drive out Jobs from Apple exempt in yearly remembrance speeches and key milestones of product launches' "We honour him, we remember him, we miss him and love him so much at Apple".
 
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but the updates we’re so slow and so microscopically incremental that the competition caught them up and then left them behind.
Left who behind?
Must be the reason why Google is coming with a copy of 3D touch... while  is getting rid of it.
Yeah, decades behind.
Some do not know who they’re talking about!
 
Yes shame to see what they've done to the Mac..I think the mac mini and the new iMac are good if you buy them used.
But making the mac so you can't upgrade seems like you are punishing the buyer!
Evidently Cook is trying to kill off the Mac?

Indeed. They are basically spitting on the Mac, and all of its die hard users. The Mac and the Apple II's MADE Apple, period. This cannot be disputed. Some of the younger folks think that the iPhone/iPad/iPod made Apple, and this could not be further from the truth. Those products brought Apple back from the dead, along with Steve Jobs re-taking the helm, however they did not make Apple.
 
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the company thrived despite Tim Cook. The iphone sells itself.
That’s not how any of this works. You don’t maintain a lead on the most lucrative business in the world, faced with competition from the other largest and most innovative companies releasing product after product, helmed by other super smart people by doing nothing. In Cook’s tenure as CEO they’ve also decimated Android Wear watches and Android tablets. Their worlds most lucrative music store was disrupted by a new streaming model and now they’re winning that again. Companies don’t run themselves. Choices are made every day and Apple, for all its faults, tends to make more good ones than anyone else.
 
If you are an investor in Apple, it's hard to argue with his performance over the years Tim has been at the helm. Apple is one of the most valuable companies in history (arguably the most valuable), it has successfully diversified its income stream, its stock has done well overall, and its products have sold well and commanded high prices. Apple also successfully navigates one of the most complex supply chains ever. All of those are measures of success.

It's not even quite fair to assert that he's not a product visionary, since he introduced the iPad mini and entirely new -- and arguably groundbreaking -- products in the Apple Watch and AirPods, to name just two. I happen to love both of those. Apple's microchip development is also nothing short of astonishing compared to what most analysts thought was possible.

That said, I agree with others that there's something missing. The Mac, though still updated, has seemed like an afterthought since Tim has been here. He seems to completely misunderstand what many people want from that platform, and he has never unleashed the Mac team to be everything it no doubt wants to be. While Apple has always jettisoned legacy technologies, Tim has eliminated from Apple's various products even things necessary to many users, such as headphone ports and MagSafe. Product matrices are confused (see the MacBook line), and Apple has fallen behind on touch-capable PCs (make no mistake, Steve Jobs would have figured out how to add what works without undercutting his points on what doesn't work with touch). The current MacBook keyboard situation would have been intolerable to Jobs and to most tech CEOs. And Tim doesn't seem to have a clear plan on where iPhone should go from here.

In short, I generally think Tim has done a good job. But I also think it's about time for a change.
One of the best posts on this thread. You've managed to be constructively critical without being snarky and hateful. You have touched on the things that have dissatisfied people to the point they've become embittered. But you didn't descend to an ugly level to do so.

My feelings about Tim Cook are very mixed, and rather complicated. I think it's time for a change, too, but I'm rather reluctant to see what the replacement might do.

Apple by no means has hit rock bottom but in the wrong hands it very well could. I think Tim Cook could still turn things around if he would get his head back in the game.

For crying out loud Steve Jobs left behind enough interviews spelling out exactly what traps to avoid, yet Tim Cook has in the last few years managed to fall into just about all of them.

Still, look how big Apple is now; that's impressive growth and Tim Cook deserves more respect for keeping things not only together after Steve died, but upwardly mobile for a time.

Now he needs to course correct himself. I just wonder if he cares to, anymore. I don't know the man nor what motivates him to get up and put himself through all the stress of his position. He's only a couple of years older than me, but he's got a lot strain etched into his face that I won't have until I get a few more years of dealing with teenagers!

I hope the book gives some insight into where his mind and heart have been in recent years.
 
See what I mean? Totally ignores his contributions and gives anecdotal opinion on things that aren't innovation.

Features are NOT innovation. Neither are prototype products that don't work.
You're both missing the point and sound like belligerent politicians. Some of those things are gimmicks and some will likely pave the way for a more useful application that isn't a gimmick. It's not a mutually exclusive scenario that ends where it starts.

Features can be innovation, too.
 
The key founder had to be on his death bed before getting his Autobiography written, while the other remaining lasting founder of Apple, I don't believe has an authorized autobiography as of yet.

Tim seems very egotistical with this latest venture ... almost screaming and dieiing to drive out Jobs from Apple exempt in yearly remembrance speeches and key milestones of product launches' "We honour him, we remember him, we miss him and love him so much at Apple".
You know this isn’t an autobiography, right?

It could easily be argued that Woz was the key founder. The early years were mostly Jobs selling Woz’ inventions.

Also, this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artistic_depictions_of_Steve_Jobs


Look, Jobs was a corporate executive, not a vengeful god. What other company, other than Scientology, do you see going on and on about a dead founder? I think Apple spends too much time trying honor Jobs. It’s not healthy...
 
I'd love to see another historical reinstatement at Apple; Let's give Scott Forstall the reins and see if he could steer the company back to the Apple of yesteryear. Sure it could fail, but so's the current leader and Forstall always had a bolder vision than how to maximise values in a spreadsheet.
 
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