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I've read this letter a few times, and I can't find the part where he offers to let us use the as is Google maps in iOS 6 until Apple's attempt gets better.

It is not just the Google database that is better, it is the search ability. I can put in random keywords, even airport codes and Google will find destinations for me.

Would be nice if my iPhone 4 stopped promting me to upgrade. The removal of Google maps is not something I want to upgrade to.

B

Use the google maps website. It has all the features you need, and you can add it to your home screen. That's what it said in the letter. It's that bit you're looking for.
 
To me - thats a little bit too much. No reason to excuse like this. Maps isn't great, ok, but they are improving and for me it works just fine. If not - yeah use Google Map Web App.

Why would I use a crappy web app ?
I've PAID for products claiming to provide a real decent and working Map App: I have paid for them, I own them
Apple claims to provide this App in their ads and website etc., they just have to, especially given the fact that they used to and that they can: it was there only 2 weeks ago.

Give us Google Maps back. NOW.
 
Way too soft to lead men like Scott, Phil and Jonathan. With world's most
valuable company and 100 billion cash, Apple's biggest threat is disruption
from within. Cook's softness will make employees miss Jobs's tough,
physical presence. Compare his response to Phil's on aluminum, it is clear
they have completely different styles and a battle between Tim and Phil will
cause massive damage to Apple.

Steve was a tyrant and was the only one who could have kept the fabulous
four together in unity. Cook suggesting competitor product is a very bad
decision, Toyota CEO was in tears when he stood up to the podium, but even
he did not recommend his customers to buy Honda cars!
 
Use the google maps website. It has all the features you need, and you can add it to your home screen. That's what it said in the letter. It's that bit you're looking for.

Why would I use a crappy web app ?
I've PAID for products claiming to provide a real decent and working Map App: I have paid for them, I own them
Apple claims to provide this App in their ads and website etc., they just have to, especially given the fact that they used to and that they can: it was there only 2 weeks ago.

Give us Google Maps back. NOW.
 
Stop talk to us and start talking to Google again!!!! Make up and then bring back Google Maps and YouTube Apps!!!

Oh and while your at it... Stop trying to make the Mac an iOS device!!!!!!!!!!
 
I respect the letter. Despite some obvious spin.

Such as: As time progressed, we wanted to provide our customers with even better Maps including features such as turn-by-turn directions, voice integration, Flyover and vector-based maps. In order to do this, we had to create a new version of Maps from the ground up.

No - they could have re-negotiated with Google. They chose not to. No harm/no foul - but that doesn't mean they HAD to. Err on omission of truth.

In just over a week, iOS users with the new Maps have already searched for nearly half a billion locations.

I wonder how many of those searches are legit vs people trying to show how bad Apple Maps is.
They were under negotiations. Google refused to improve their iPhone version of Maps because they wanted google branding advertisement and user data collection concessions that Apple didn't agree with. Obviously the recent disputes between the two companies didn't offer a good environment for negotiations and things fell apart. Apple saw this as time to move on. I agree with them.
 
I don't know why so many people are defending these maps. I love iOS but I am not going to defend Apple every time they screw something up.

For me, it's probably becuase I've been longing for an update to Google Maps for years now. I'm so tired of it that I'm willing to take an inferior version of Apple maps for a short time until they can bring it up to speed. Unfortunately it's missing some key features that will make me rely on some 3rd party apps a little more, but I was already doing that with Google Maps (local transit apps when I travel).

And I'm also a daily user of Waze so again...no big loss for me.
 
That was a total non-issue. People just love blowing anything that makes Apple look imperfect out of proportion.

So does Tim Cook with his letter... or wait... maybe is he admitting we have a real issue here?...
 
According to some people on here when you open Maps on Manhattan it should just open up a page saying:

"fugeddaboutit - E is east of park, W is west, building numbers go low to high from park in each direction, streets go low to high from the south, avenues low to high from the east, you got apple stores here here and here, it all gets a bit weird south of 14th, don't go north of 110th unless you look like you can handle yourself and you can't have any transit directions, have a nice day"

Heh. That's close to the truth. It's worse in Brooklyn (home of fuhgeddaboudit), which is odd since its the most populous of the 5 boroughs, and the second most populous place in the country (after LA). And don't get me started about Brooklyn not having flyover but the entirety of Chicago does (outlying neighborhoods included).
 
Incorrect way to collect data

Don't think you understand the situation. The maps were expiring in a year. Apple took the risk of releasing their maps a year before Google Maps expired because they would have a year of user based data to improve their maps. They did it so they could get the issues out of the way earlier than later. If they waited until next year when Google Maps expired, they would have had to add Apple Maps anyway. The Maps are fine the only thing not fine are the POI and incorrect data, the best way to improve that is user input.

So, what you are saying is:
Apple released MAPS to collect 1 Year worth of data from their users before Google puts out a new Maps application.

In order to collect this data, apple suggests people use competitors product?

Explain...
 
I have to say...

So reading all the news about the new iPhone 5 and the issues/problems and thinking that is is being blown out of all porportion, until!!!

Just watched my colleague unbox his brand new Black 32GB iPhone 5 only to 2 chips (substantial) on the side band.

HOW DOES THIS GET PAST QA!?!? Unacceptable for a premium product, even if they are producing millions.

How do you fan boys continue to justify that???

I love apple too, but... WTF!?
 
They've (Apple) been working on maps for 4 years. You think that in 6 months they will turn it around from where it is now to something better than Google maps?

Don't know what you're smoking but I'd like some of it.

4 Years probably spent doing the heavy lifting.

6 months sounds a little ambitious but with over 100 million users (and counting) ... I suspect crowd-sourced data will come in thick and fast ... it WILL get better
 
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I find it quite unbelievable how many people are denying the problems that Apple maps have. Maybe they're fine in the US but in Europe the maps are only usable in big cities, some towns have names from 25 years ago, some even before the WWII, streets are just missing, satellite images are very old and very low resolution.

I'm an Apple fan but Apple has nothing to offer in the maps department now.
 
If Apple had set aside the "thermonuclear war" offensive for the sake of its customers, iOS 6 users could have had the best maps on the planet (Google), turn-by-turn navigation, Street View, AND 3D Flyover:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/28/3422656/google-maps-45-degree-satellite-imagery-update

Apple is reinventing a wheel that already exists. Apple's wheel will NEVER be equal to the wheel that already exists. Even if Apple is able to catch up to where Google is at today, by the time Apple gets there Google will still be 5-10 years ahead.

Apple should agree to Google's terms and give the customers what they deserve with their iPhone purchases, the BEST possible mapping solution!

Mark

You say all that without being aware of all the terms......
 
Maybe it's because my hometown hasn't been wiped off the map, but it seems like this whole thing is overblown. It's a whole new product, with some flaws as well as some awesome features.

Let's not forget: Google Maps for iOS 5 didn't even have turn-by-turn! The new one does, and that's huge for me personally. You couldn't ask Siri for things along the route, you couldn't rotate the view with a multitouch gesture, you couldn't view it in landscape mode, it was bitmapped, and the only business information it displayed was a phone number and webpage.

The new Maps improves all of these features, while needing improvements in accuracy (a crucial aspect, admittedly). I think this is a case of Apple living and dying by the intense public scrutiny. Their products get enormous hype and anticipation, but when something is flawed, it gets magnified 10x.

Can you imagine headlines over scuffed Nokias?
 
For the way I use Maps, I'm not having any trouble with it. 3D on my iPad can make palm trees look really interesting but I understand that. I also remember how rudimentary Google Maps were on the very first iPhone. For a first release, Apple Maps is pretty good. It needs to improve and it will.

Google has been sitting on its hands for two years. They recently updated the satellite photos of some areas but that's about all. The product worked but it had ceased to grow. Apple is looking at taking handheld maps further and I'm willing to hang in there with them as they take their first steps.

Apple Maps passed my acid test of finding my old condo in San Diego. Every one of the dedicated GPS devices out there directs me to drive through a concrete barrier that has been in place about 20 years (I saw it go in). Apple Maps correctly routes me in on another street to the garage entrance of the building. Getting that right is a trick I did not expect. I'll cut Apple some slack.

You don't know if the Apple maps knows there's a concrete barrier or if it's just it's algorithm's different. You'd need another test to figure that out.

Now, I find it interesting that there are so many comments about wiling to wait for the maps to get better. Because:

1) RIM users used to say that a lot about RIM phones, some still do
2) People often brings up negatives about other mobile devices on this forum. Android "smoothness" often gets the most comments on. It has improved and will continue to but no one here seems willing to cut any slack that way.
3) Apple has screwed up many times on first launch. People have given them lots of slack before. Why it is this time people seems to have to make a point of telling everyone?
 
Did everybody read the article in the NY Times where David Pogue says:

"In short, Maps is an appalling first release. It may be the most embarrassing, least usable piece of software Apple has ever unleashed."

The criticism of Apple's Maps has become so deafening that Tim Cook had to issue an apology!

Maps is a disaster for Apple.

If Maps belonged to anybody else, it would've been kicked out of the App Store by now.
 
Admitting defeat....... YOU ARE HOLDING IT WRONG.... That is an answer.

I apologize..... You just lost the battle right there....

I am sorry to say it, but this IP5 will be the first of many dissapointments for applers....

I'd say "a first disappointment" for (at least) 5 to 8M "applers" so far... Not bad! ;)
 
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