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Tim is Boss now and Apple is a Billion Dollar Company. How could this happen? What did Tim wrong? Nothing but some people still say it would be better if it would be different. Steve Jobs was and is a huge figure for Apple but he passed away 8 years ago and apple did just fine without him.

Its your typical “ The grass is greener across the fence“ mentality. I just want Tim to replace the stainless steel with titanium on my iPhone. :)
 
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With a 7.9", 10.2", 10.5", 11", and 12.9" iPad lineup!? Respectfully, I doubt it. Steve fixed Apple's bloated lineup when he came back to Apple in the '90s to make it is what it is today. While much of Steve undoubtably lives on in the company, Apple was not prepared to loose such an influenctial individual prematurely.

At the 10th anniversary of iPhone, the notch screen was a disgraceful work of art to SJ legacy.
 
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These people don't care about Apple or Steve Jobs. They are just riding on the coat tails of history. Here's the evidence.

Apple under Steve Jobs
Laptops and desktops as fast or faster than PCs
Laptops and desktops becoming more affordable and competitively priced
OS X faster and more bug free than Windows
Bugs fixed quickly
Updates to Power Mac/Mac Pro regularly
Operating systems not called 'GM' when they are rough beta
Wide choice of industry standard and third party hardware upgrades
Slower and high quality release cycles
Industry standard graphics APIs with similar performance as PCs
Serve users first and then shareholders

Apple after Steve Jobs
Throttling **** badly designed laptops
T2 disaster controller /sound chip with bugs that Apple won't even acknowledge
macOS slower than Windows in every possible way
Bugs fixed after 10000 complaints from users
Almost impossible to upgrade anything
Much slower graphics APIs and GPU performance than PCs
New operating systems released in poor condition
Updates to Mac Pro after 6 years and it is massively slow crap compared to even a $2000 PC
Apps and services worse than the competition
Serve shareholders first and screw users

I sencond this; also don't forget that Tim got rid of the MagSafe concept so more people tripped over their laptop cord to break the laptops and have to pay for repair which equals more money for investors.
 
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It would be about where it is today.

I don't agree with the haters who think Apple died with Jobs but I think this is going too far the other way. I'm not saying Apple would be amazing on some level we can't even fathom, but it would be different. Who knows what kind of ideas Jobs would've had that could've influenced the products and the direction of the company. It's like wondering what kind of music Mozart would've written if he had lived twice as long. Would he have re-invented the symphony before Beethoven could have had the chance? Who knows? It's pointless to speculate on it. But you never know...
 
If Steve hadn't passed, we would all be using some sort of new device by now, that no one ever thought we'd ever need or want. We'll never know what that is, because no one has his vision. He would've driven technology so far with the 30 some years he had left in his life... it frustrates me that he's gone. Apple isn't Apple without him. It's a very average tech company with overpriced products, that for some reason does a lot of political lobbying.

By the way, I get the pinwheel more than ever on MacOS right now. It's crazy... SJ would have never allowed this.
 
Cook and Apple need to quit paying homage to Steve Jobs and move on. How could Jobs' standards and tastes possibly have any relevance or influence today?

/SARCASM.
 
Tim's done better than most could in his situation, and the company is still doing well. One can't help but think though how things might've been different had Jobs lived a little longer.
 
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Tim is Boss now and Apple is a Billion Dollar Company. How could this happen? What did Tim wrong? Nothing but some people still say it would be better if it would be different. Steve Jobs was and is a huge figure for Apple but he passed away 8 years ago and apple did just fine without him.

Apple made all that money going against the values of Steve Jobs. He always said products and customers first and charge reasonable prices to make a reasonable profit. The only reason Apple has so much money is because they started ripping customers off with price hikes. The products have been stale for about 5 years now.
Yes Steve wanted to make money but he was against corporate greed which nearly killed off Apple in the early 90’s. Sadly that same mistake is starting to happen again.

My Apple product purchases when Steve was around had emotional attachment to how the company was run and the history behind the brand. The cult of Apple died with Steve. All that’s left are people simply buying products because Apple is the cool brand at the moment and they don’t care about the history of the company.

If you define fine as stale and overpriced products then you are too easily pleased. You can tell the products coming out were created by a team missing the direct approach of Steve telling them what was rubbish and what was good. Also Jony Ives most certainly would not have left.
 
Sarcasm or not there is a grain of truth in that statement.

Steve Jobs is the father and founder of Apple along with Steve Wozniak. Steve Jobs values and ideologies are what made the products so good and the company so great.

When your father/mother passes away are you going to forget the values they instilled and the lessons they taught you?
 
Tim Cook isn’t the technological visionary Jobs was, but nobody else is either.
Yes this. Overall people are harder on Apple than other companies because they expect anyone taking Steve‘s seat at the company to be his match, but no one in the industry is (yet).
i remember an interview with Elon Musk ( a big admirer of Jobs) a few years ago , when asked who does he see as the new Jobs, he paused and said “ No one really. We get someone like Jobs maybe once every 50 years in this industry”
 
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I believe adding touch screen capability to the Mac lineup wouldn't have any negative impact on the user experience with a tablet mode for transitioning to touch UI.

Other than significant extra cost and resulting price.

It would still be an ergonomic disaster except for the occasional use. I enjoy using my iPads. And I enjoy using my Macs. Drawing on a Mac display that's pretty much perpendicular to the table its sitting on for even moderate periods of time would be awful. I think Jobs understood that early on.
 
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I can only imagine what Apple would be today if Steve hadn't been taken so early.

Probably out of business if he’d stuck to all his original scruples about screen sizes and what-not. But he wouldn’t have done...he’d have evolved along with the market, just like Apple of today has. Thats not to take anything away from Jobs, but people who really believed he would never have budged on his old ideas, were well and truly sucked into the reality distortion field.
 
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Well I don't believe in the whole "Apple died with Jobs" story, but I do agree that with Steve's insane eye for detail Apple would never have shipped

* The first Apple Pencil which you have to charge very awkwardly by sticking it in the iPad's Charger port.
* The Magic Mouse 2 which you can't use while charging it because you have to flip it on it's head to charge
* A Macbook without the brilliant Magsafe charging connector
* A new Macbook Pro with the same keyboard problems they encountered the first time they shipped one with that new butterfly keyboard. (Everybody makes mistakes, but never make the same mistake again)

And I do think we would have seen more changes in the iPhone's and iMac's design. The iPhone 6/6S/7/8 all looked identical and the iMac's all look the same since 2009 (except for removing the disc drive after 2011)

My two cents
 
Just think we're all here reading MacRumors because of Steve. The device you're probably reading this on exists because of Steve 🤯
 
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It did. The guy invented iPhone, iPad, Mac. What did Tim do? Innovation has been stale at Apple ever since his death.
I do not mean to diminish Steve's role at Apple, he was a great leader and he was responsible for creating the culture at Apple. But I don't think it is an accurate statement to say he invented the iPhone. There was a whole team of people who worked on that device, at times in secret because they were afraid Steve would kill the project if he had known about it. Brian Merchant wrote a whole book about this called "The One Device: The Secret History of the iPhone." https://www.amazon.com/One-Device-S...story+of+iphone&qid=1570295404&s=books&sr=1-1
 
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You like the user friendliness. You can't honestly say to us long term users that you like being shafted with bugs, poor designs, throttling, increasing profit margins, slow GPU performance. You said yourself 'My family and I'. Home user with disposable income. Users like you don't experience the downsides. You are not one of the hardcore users who demand better.
add me and my family to the list of happy customers.
 
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Many of these 'repeat' customers are actually on things like contracts or are corporations rather than individuals. Also consider that many traditional PC manufacturers exited the market in the last decade which boosted sales of the remaining few.

So... Apple is strong in the corporate world? While Windows has more than 90% of it?
 
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