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Jobs came back when Apple was in the dumps and turned it around. Key was cancelling contracts that allowed other manufacturers to manufacture clone computers that ran MacOS. Jobs also paired down its own product offerings; smart due to Apple's poor health.

Despite giving customers more choices today, Apple is extremely successful, likely far beyond Jobs' dreams, and far far from a company that's failing.

Just because a strategy worked to partially help turn a failing Apple around in the mid-1990s, does not mean that Apple today with more product choices at a range of price points to attract a wider audience, is a bad thing.
This is a great point. Context is key and the bloatedness of Apple’s lineup is usually taken out of context. While I personally don’t see the benefit of a 10.5” iPad Air and 10.2” iPad (just keep the 10.5” Air) the marketing folks at Apple are far more in tune with what to offer than I am.
 
Once Steve's roadmap petered out five years ago there was nothing left and nobody knew what to do. Then we get things like 18 hour battery life watches and keyboards that don't work. Apple hasn't recovered from Steve's passing.
Post your evidence. Apple is worth $1T now and was worth about $250B when Steve died.

Contrary to what you say, Apple knows exactly what they are doing...evidence is in the data.
 
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And next time you want to quote something, don't be a failure by eliminating the most relevant part merely because it seriously undercuts the point you're trying to make.
I gave your whole post a "Like", but I really have to stress this bit particularly. Not to judge the person you quoted, but in general. People all too often just "forget" to include a significant part of what they're quoting, leading to wrong impressions and unnecessary fights.
 
Steve Jobs is the father and founder of Apple along with Steve Wozniak. Steve Jobs values and ideologies are what made the products so good and the company so great.

When your father/mother passes away are you going to forget the values they instilled and the lessons they taught you?
The analogy to me is meaningless, Apple is not a biological child. Apple has to change with the times and TC is making sure that is happening.
 
Okay if we accept that Steve was a visionary and that Apple died with him... then he should have saw that Cook would drive Apple into the ground with in 5 years of his death and liquidated the company and returned the money to the shareholders. People would probably at that point, insist he copied the idea from Michael Dell.
 
Post your evidence. Apple is worth $1T now and was worth about $250B when Steve died.

Contrary to what you say, Apple knows exactly what they are doing...evidence is in the data.
I just gave you examples of the dodgy products. Steve's momentum took it to where it got today. It's naive at best to think otherwise.
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Steve Jobs was a great man. The world is a better place for the work he did. Tim Cook is a great man. The world is a better place for the work he is doing. Apple is a great company and the world is a better place thanks to the work they do.
It's disingenuous to compare Cook to Steve. History won't remember Tim Cook.
 
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Well I don't believe in the whole "Apple died with Jobs" story, but I do agree that with Steve's insane eye for detail Apple would never have shipped

* The first Apple Pencil which you have to charge very awkwardly by sticking it in the iPad's Charger port....
This was a stroke of genius, imo.
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...It's disingenuous to compare Cook to Steve. History won't remember Tim Cook.
It’s disingenuous to say they can’t be compared and contrasted. History will remember Tim Cook.
 
Steve Jobs was a great man. The world is a better place for the work he did. Tim Cook is a great man. The world is a better place for the work he is doing. Apple is a great company and the world is a better place thanks to the work they do.

Than again perhaps not.
Perhaps without Apple we may not be in a situation as below which is happening all the time over the entire world.
Are humans better for it in all ways I wonder?

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This is demonstrably untrue. Apple has not declined a bit since his death. It's really a quite silly statement on it's face.

Seriously. You look across the tech landscape -- any business landscape -- and Apple is mostly firing on all cylinders. In fact, look how good Apple is doing to navigate the tariff and China dispute nightmares, not an easy thing because logisticis is both expensive and complicated. If Apple is on a "decline," I so desperately wish I could decline, as Apple purportedly does, in my personal and business affairs.

Not a fanboy. Anyone with a weak grasp on reality knows and understands the hyperbolic negative comments are beyond stupid and demonstrably false.
 
all you guys have to do is stop buying Apple products if you really want tim to leave. yet most of you still buy these products that you seem to hate so much
While I get what you’re saying, nothing that a few hundred, a few thousand or even a few million crap-posters from the Apple hate crowd can do or post would affect Apple at all. This powerlessness is partly what fuels their anger, and further decreases their happiness.

If Apple didn’t exist, they’d be going to a Nikon forum or a BMW forum and crap-posting there to get a rise and the attention they crave, which they’re not getting in the real world. The actual target doesn’t really matter; if Jobs was still alive they’d be posting crap about him too.
 
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Tim Cook has done a fantastic job at bring Apple to a $1T company, but he's still a share holder first, customer second kind of CEO. For example, there was no reason to remove the MagSafe concept. 3rd party companies make magnetic USB 3 connectors. Tim Cook did it because there's more money in people accidentally tripping over the cord and breaking the computer. I would love to see a logical reason where lack of USB3 MagSafe actually benefits the customer first and not the stock investor. Does anyone want to provide an explanation? I believe SJ would have made Apple a $2T company by now.
 
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I just gave you examples of the dodgy products. Steve's momentum took it to where it got today. It's naive at best to think otherwise.
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It's disingenuous to compare Cook to Steve. History won't remember Tim Cook.
Lol, that's not evidence. That's your opinion about what consistutues a "dodgy" product and is totally irrelevant.
 
Steve Jobs had time to plan for his untimely exit including a forward roadmap for Apple to enable his vision to endure for some time after his death. It may be interesting for some to speculate where that roadmap ends and the next iteration takes over the journey. Wherever the road leads, its creator may be out sight, but never forgotten.

This was my thought when I read about it being 8 years since Steve's passing - Just how long was the road map that Steve allegedly prepared - how far did his genius go beyond his death - has the map been re-routed...

I don't know if Steve was an "inventor"? Did he invent - or did he guide and refine the inventions brought the table by his staff (whilst insisting on perfection along the way).

Always remember that quote about Steve Jobs by philosopher Voltaire. If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Steve Jobs. God doesn't exist, Steve Jobs did, but he was just a man, and now he is gone.
 
...Privacy issues, battery scan does, poor quality both software and hardware.. all means profit first. As you said, but it is capitalism at the end of the day, more and more people are also disliking it as you see with Apple it’s now geared to make the rich richer. But no one else gets richer only poorer...
What privacy issues, be specific and let’s see if we agree. Battery scans, poor quality both hardware and software. Be specific. Let’s determine if you’re cherry picking.
 
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I can only imagine what Apple would be today if Steve hadn't been taken so early.

I’m still not convinced that Apple would have been better off with Jobs at the helm with the company at its current size and trajectory anyway. I have to wonder if he would have stepped aside anyway by now.
 
Tim is Boss now and Apple is a Billion Dollar Company. How could this happen? What did Tim wrong? Nothing but some people still say it would be better if it would be different. Steve Jobs was and is a huge figure for Apple but he passed away 8 years ago and apple did just fine without him.
Being a billion dollar company means exactly what to the regular consumer? Steve wanted to make things to make people's lives better with things they didn't even know they needed. A lot of the products we wanted cost more because he wanted the product for the people using it.
Tim is out for every buck that isn't nailed down. Tim talks a good game when on stage, but that doesn't translate to the innovation of ideas.

Two opposite ideals.
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I’m still not convinced that Apple would have been better off with Jobs at the helm with the company at its current size and trajectory anyway. I have to wonder if he would have stepped aside anyway by now.
Because Steve wouldn't be obsessed at being the biggest. He just wanted to be the best.
 
Because Steve wouldn't be obsessed at being the biggest. He just wanted to be the best.

Perhaps. But it is also a fact that I have bought many more Apple products under Tim Cook’s stewardship (which anyone here can attest to if they have been following my responses for any amount of time), and am enjoying them very much.

You can argue that many of them were iterations of products that were released under Steve Jobs. Maybe. I don’t really care. Suffice to say that I really have little issues with the current direction and trajectory that the Apple of today is headed in.
 
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And I wonder if Steve Jobs would have done this.


A former administration official explained about Cook: "In being measured and thoughtful, he doesn't create crisis when there doesn't need to be one, or antagonism when there doesn't need to be any."

Seems like the steady hand Apple needs right now.

Tim Cook - not the firebrand CEO you all want, but the CEO Apple needs.
 
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