Tim Cook Says Apple Won't Create 'Converged' Mac and iPad

[spinedoc77]

I build my websites with Rapidweaver, which only runs on Mac. I use Windows all day for work because I have to,but for my personal use and gemstone business prefer the Mac. I have never been a fan of hooking up keyboards, and monitors to a lap to to make desktop out of the. The iMac is a much cleaner look than wires all over. With the iMac I have just one power cable, and that's it. Using an iPhone, iPad and iMac along with an Apple Watch, everything words together very well, so there would be no point in inserting a Surface 4. When I travel for business, which is very often, I would still need to schlep that big Dell laptop, so I think the IPad pro is less bulk than the Surface.
For me, I am quit happy with all the devices, I love the watch.... Just wish Apple would ship me my Pencil and keyboard.

I think we are discussing 2 different things. You won't switch because you prefer the mac OS, which isn't really what I was debating. It's all good, I think we were just debating different things.

I'm curious though, how do you power and/or recharge your keyboard and mouse without any cables?

 

[niun]

Good unbiased comparison of SP4 and IPP.

Good video. I always enjoy mobiletech reviews.
It pretty much summed up the iPad Pro. Just a bigger Air. I think she accidentally calls it an Air during the video.
Also very interesting to see that there is very little weight difference between the two and that the iPad is a far more cumbersome device if you don't have a support for it.

So happy I bought my Surface when I did. I waited forever for Apple to do this and a bigger iPad was all they could bring to the table.

 

[kalsta]

It's hard to be mean to someone who's avatar is a cool old 8-bit Atari game.

Haha… Cheers. It was one of my favourite games on the Commodore 64.

 

[Renzatic]

Haha… Cheers. It was one of my favourite games on the Commodore 64.

Wait. The Commodore?

Get Out

All the cool kids know it's all about the Atari 800XL. We had the best version of Rescue on Fractalus.

 

[Pilgrim1099]

Wait. The Commodore?

Get Out

All the cool kids know it's all about the Atari 800XL. We had the best version of Rescue on Fractalus.

Fractalus was awesome! There was Ballblazer but it was okay. I was a fan of Skyfox, Bard's Tale, Gunship., Archon, Karateka and Maniac Mansion. Although I had the c-128 with the 1575 (?) floppy drive .

Good times in the 80s. Good times.

 

[Renzatic]

Fractalus was awesome! There was Ballblazer but it was okay. I was a fan of Skyfox, Bard's Tale, Gunship., Archon, Karateka and Maniac Mansion. Although I had the c-128 with the 1575 (?) floppy drive .

Good times in the 80s. Good times.

Ballblazer was far better than just okay, especially when you had another person to play against.

I'll second your opinions on Fractalus and Karateka, but I'll add Montezuma's Revenge, Boulderdash, Bruce Lee, and one game only a few people seem to have heard of: Ollie's Follies.

 

[Pilgrim1099]

Ballblazer was far better than just okay, especially when you had another person to play against.

I'll second your opinions on Fractalus and Karateka, but I'll add Montezuma's Revenge, Boulderdash, Bruce Lee, and one game only a few people seem to have heard of: Ollie's Follies.

I had a hack copy of Bruce Lee. That was fun. I don't think I had Montezuma though, but only the Atari 2600 version along with Pitfall II.

EA at the time kicked ass with many original games. But I will always remember them for Archon and Skyfox. Even M.U.L.E. and The Lost City of Gold. I still have all their packaging here with me .

 

[Renzatic]

I had a hack copy of Bruce Lee. That was fun. I don't think I had Montezuma though, but only the Atari 2600 version along with Pitfall II.

EA at the time kicked ass with many original games. But I will always remember them for Archon and Skyfox. Even M.U.L.E. and The Lost City of Gold. I still have all their packaging here with me .

At the time, I never thought much about it. But in retrospect, I've realized just about every game I owned was hacked 'n cracked. My uncle was a dirty software pirate.

And I forgot all about Pitfall II. I loved that game too.

 

[citysnaps]

You assume I own an iPad Pro but I don't. READ what I said before. What are you, the " Ministry of Love "?

I don't need to know how he uses his computers because it should be dead obvious to anyone that he's a hypocrite.

And another thing, for him to say that the iPad Pro will replace a laptop or desktop is still the stupidest thing he's ever said. I'll tell you why. To rely on the iPad Pro, or any idevice, alone as a standalone replacement from the iMac or laptop, you would not be able to sync and back up the data that easily. Doing this via iTunes on the desktop is the fastest and safest method, especially if you do it locally than over the Cloud which takes forever.

Is Tim your " girlfriend "? Stop defending him.

"I don't need to know how he uses his computers because it should be dead obvious to anyone that he's a hypocrite."

Understand. You have no idea how he uses his devices/computers, but you can make judgments with respect to the honesty and veracity of what he says. And somehow that translates to hypocrisy, though you're not able to articulate how.

"Is Tim your " girlfriend "? Stop defending him."

When you say things like that, what little credibility you had instantly flies out the window.

 

[kalsta]

Wait. The Commodore?

Get Out

All the cool kids know it's all about the Atari 800XL. We had the best version of Rescue on Fractalus.

Oh it's a Commodore vs Atari battle of the ol' timers now is it? Hear that kids—you'll have to take your Apple/Google/Microsoft fights to another room.

I had a LOT of games, but no memory at all of Rescue on Fractalus. Oh but the hours I lost playing IK+, Impossible Mission, Epic Summer/Winter/World/California Games, Blagger, Burnin' Rubber, Spy vs Spy, Load Runner, or making my own games on Shoot'Em-Up Construction Kit… Boulderdash was great too.

At the time, I never thought much about it. But in retrospect, I've realized just about every game I owned was hacked 'n cracked. My uncle was a dirty software pirate.

Right. All my school friends had C64s and swapping hacked games was standard lunch-time etiquette. Never gave it much thought. Kind of amazing how that network brought us so large a volume of hacked games, before the Internet, when sharing a game meant handing the disk to your mate at school. Eventually I bought myself a cartridge which plugged in the back and allowed me to save a snapshot of the computer's memory out to disk, meaning I could hack any game that didn't need to load new data myself. (This was long before I developed a conscience about such things and insisted that my own family pays for our music, movies and games!)

 

[Renzatic]

Oh it's a Commodore vs Atari battle of the ol' timers now is it? Hear that kids—you'll have to take your Apple/Google/Microsoft fights to another room.

Yeah, scoot along, juniors. Your elders got a real fight worth fightin' here.

I had a LOT of games, but no memory at all of Rescue on Fractalus. Oh but the hours I lost playing IK+, Impossible Mission, Epic Summer/Winter/World/California Games, Blagger, Burnin' Rubber, Spy vs Spy, Load Runner, or making my own games on Shoot'Em-Up Construction Kit… Boulderdash was great too.

Ha! Load Runner (or was it Lode Runner). There's another game I used to love back when. Didn't get to play the rest unfortunately, though I did have Spy vs. Spy 2. It took place on an island, and I think you had to beat the other spy to an escape before the volcano in the center erupted.

I wish I had the Shoot'Em-Up Construction Kit, but I did have something just as cool: Adventure Creator! I bought it with my birthday money, probably from Hills or some other long since defunct store. Weirdly enough, the one thing I remember most about it was how just up and disappeared one day. I spent DAYS looking for it, and was completely crushed that I could never find it.

I have my suspicions that my parents gave it away because the buzzing noises the traps made while you walked through them drove them up the wall. I remember them complaining about it nonstop, not that it did much good.

...it is a mystery. O_0

Right. All my school friends had C64s and swapping hacked games was standard lunch-time etiquette. Never gave it much thought. Kind of amazing how that network brought us so large a volume of hacked games, before the Internet, when sharing a game meant handing the disk to your mate at school. Eventually I bought myself a cartridge which plugged in the back and allowed me to save a snapshot of the computer's memory out to disk, meaning I could hack any game that didn't need to load new data myself. (This was long before I developed a conscience about such things and insisted that my own family pays for our music, movies and games!)

I was the only kid around who had an old Atari computer, so I never got to enjoy any copy parties. But I made up for missing the whole social thing out of pure volume. My dirty pirate uncle subscribed to a BBS service, and he'd swing by about once a month with a couple of disks (with a k, yes) filled to bursting with games. You'd pop them in, and boot into a numbered menu with anywhere between 3 to 12 games on them. It was fun because no matter how long I had them, I always seemed to discover something new.

Oh, and I remembered another game I loved: The Goonies. It's a given I'd be interested in it. Every kid of our generation has an undying fascination for that movie. The game was just as good.

 

[navaira]

I get it. You sold your soul to apple. They can do no wrong. You think there aren't smart high school aged people in the world or something? No man on earth but Apple inc. can modify a laptop into a hybrid laptop/tablet? Oh wait, it's already been done.

Hahaha! Don't check my post history, you might faint due to shock.

What you actually wrote:

This is obviously about profits. You can make a macbook pro that has a touch screen....when you detach the display, it goes into iOS mode. There's your hybrid with no loss to anyone except apple profits. I'm just a regular guy but I'm sure the best engineers in the world can figure how to pull that off. Heck, a high school student could probably pull it off.

I would very much like to see a high school student that can build a right size touchscreen (maybe take the iPad Pro screen and cut it with scissors?), install it in a Macbook Pro, somehow connect it to Apple's proprietary connectors, rewrite Mac OS for it and make everything work fine. Oh, and also make that Macbook Pro screen detachable despite the fact that 1) Macbook Pro screens do not include processors, batteries or wireless connectivity, 2) the proprietary connector is not exactly easy to just slide in and out when you take the screen out. When we find that student, they deserve to have to immediately replace Tim Cook, as they are obviously a genius of Jobs' class.

There is "Apple can do no wrong" and there is "a high school student can build a completely new type of machine and write software for it". There's quite a lot of middle ground between those two statements.

 

[ValO]

I think there will be a hybrid device. Just not now. Just like apple wouldn' t make a bigger iPhone .
Apple will just release it when it is ready and there is no compromise.

It will be ready when:

-IOS is more evolved, and is comparable to a desktop OS /Mac OS . But with the current touch interface.
-Their ARM socs are more powerfull and really match performance of mid range x-86/Intel cpu' s
-Apple has converted Mac OS to run on ARM.
-developers have converted their Mac (OS) apps to work on ARM.
-Apple has invented a good hinge system between screen and keyboard, and a system to (de)attach screen from keyboard.
-a software/hardware solution for the system to determine when the system will switch between iOS and Mac OS (smart connector is already there).

I guess in 2 to 3 years.

In the meantime watch the iPad pro and reg. MacBook retina closely. These are the 2 key devices in the development of a perfect hybrid device.
And it will be #%^#$$ expensive.
Apple will never release 2 devices for the price of one.

 

[jlc1978]

I agree with Cook that "such bulky, terribly battery life, heavy iPad" is really nobody wants one. He is not wrong. Besides, Apple never in a habit to disclose any of their internal projects, they even go for triple down for the new iPhone, so if they didn't say they do it, it's doesn't mean they don't have it. I hope I make sense

Also, I referred the perfectionist to their hardware design (as in the whole context of this post) rather than iOS which I kind of agreed with you.

Good points. It certainly makes sense for Apple to explore ways to make an iPad a convergence device even if the current technology doesn't let them make one that meets their goals for size, portability, weight, performance, etc. Even so, convergence doesn't necessarily mean the same OS; it could simply mean seamless interoperability. What's important is figuring out how to make a device that meets people's needs not just getting to one OS across devices.

 

[kalsta]

Ha! Load Runner (or was it Lode Runner).

Ah yes, I think you might be right! Great game. One of the few games that let you create your own custom-designed levels too.

… I did have Spy vs. Spy 2. It took place on an island, and I think you had to beat the other spy to an escape before the volcano in the center erupted.

Yep, that's the one. (I had the first one too, but it wasn't nearly as good.) Early split-screen multiplayer. Lots of fun setting booby traps for the other player.

I still have a C64 (not my original—that died many years ago), which I've setup a few times for my own children. They all have iOS devices, but they loved it, much to my surprise!

Alright kids… back to your regularly scheduled Apple-related bickering…

 

[BeSweeet]

Make sure you wait until the Skylake CPU upgrade.

Yup! I've been counting down the days. On the other hand, my 2012 MacBook Air still performs fine (except for graphics issues, thanks to El Capitan), so I'll probably wait for it to "break" itself, whenever that might be .

 

[nia820]

Just like Apple said they wouldn't make an iphone over 3.5 inches.

 

[LordVic]

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Came here for the fanboy v fanboy battle.

pleasantly surprised by a trip down memory lane.

The first memory of a video game I have ever had was on the Commodore 64

Jupman. They sure don't make games like they used to!

 

[Pilgrim1099]

You assume I own an iPad Pro but I don't. READ what I said before. What are you, the " Ministry of Love "?

I don't need to know how he uses his computers because it should be dead obvious to anyone that he's a hypocrite.

And another thing, for him to say that the iPad Pro will replace a laptop or desktop is still the stupidest thing he's ever said. I'll tell you why. To rely on the iPad Pro, or any idevice, alone as a standalone replacement from the iMac or laptop, you would not be able to sync and back up the data that easily. Doing this via iTunes on the desktop is the fastest and safest method, especially if you do it locally than over the Cloud which takes forever.

Is Tim your " girlfriend "? Stop defending him.

Oh it's a Commodore vs Atari battle of the ol' timers now is it? Hear that kids—you'll have to take your Apple/Google/Microsoft fights to another room.

I had a LOT of games, but no memory at all of Rescue on Fractalus. Oh but the hours I lost playing IK+, Impossible Mission, Epic Summer/Winter/World/California Games, Blagger, Burnin' Rubber, Spy vs Spy, Load Runner, or making my own games on Shoot'Em-Up Construction Kit… Boulderdash was great too.



Right. All my school friends had C64s and swapping hacked games was standard lunch-time etiquette. Never gave it much thought. Kind of amazing how that network brought us so large a volume of hacked games, before the Internet, when sharing a game meant handing the disk to your mate at school. Eventually I bought myself a cartridge which plugged in the back and allowed me to save a snapshot of the computer's memory out to disk, meaning I could hack any game that didn't need to load new data myself. (This was long before I developed a conscience about such things and insisted that my own family pays for our music, movies and games!)

lol. That was THE culture back in the day. I used to do exactly that and even during Study Hall ( ssshh! ). Even cooler was that when we were done with lunch, there were at least 3 Apple II e computers across the hall from our cafeteria and the kids would play Karateka on them. Some of us would watch the action and I'd get excited and ask my parents to get me a C-64 copy. That box I have is a collector's item and I prefer that original over the iOS 3D garbage remake ( and yes I have the 2D classic version on my old iPad. You can should be able to find it ).

As for Spy vs Spy, that game was a feat in programming genius. Brilliant!

....oh, did we silence the fanboy wars?

 

[Pilgrim1099]

Came here for the fanboy v fanboy battle.

pleasantly surprised by a trip down memory lane.

The first memory of a video game I have ever had was on the Commodore 64

Jupman. They sure don't make games like they used to!

No they don't, sadly. Back then, they had to use their clever programming tricks to get around the hardware spec limitation of the C-64, even Vic-20 ( ahh...is that why you named yourself LordVic? ). I'm a bit frustrated at EA because I would have loved to see a remake of Archon, but I know they did something like this for the X-Box under a different name and concept. Now with SkyFox, they really have to do a re-make.

Oh, and Bard's Tale was supposed to have a massive remake ( Not the Bruce Campbell voice over version that came out a couple years ago ) supported on Kickstarter by the original programmers ( sans Michael Cranford ).

Anyway, back to the subject of convergence, I had a C-128 that had a C-64 emulator built in so it was 2 operating systems in one machine. Plain awesome. I'm sure Tim Cook couldn't even figure out how to use a C-128 .

 

[orioncrystalice]

Hahaha! Don't check my post history, you might faint due to shock.

What you actually wrote:


I would very much like to see a high school student that can build a right size touchscreen (maybe take the iPad Pro screen and cut it with scissors?), install it in a Macbook Pro, somehow connect it to Apple's proprietary connectors, rewrite Mac OS for it and make everything work fine. Oh, and also make that Macbook Pro screen detachable despite the fact that 1) Macbook Pro screens do not include processors, batteries or wireless connectivity, 2) the proprietary connector is not exactly easy to just slide in and out when you take the screen out. When we find that student, they deserve to have to immediately replace Tim Cook, as they are obviously a genius of Jobs' class.

There is "Apple can do no wrong" and there is "a high school student can build a completely new type of machine and write software for it". There's quite a lot of middle ground between those two statements.

Absolutely 100%. Any time I see this seemingly sudden rash of people foaming at the mouth for a weird hybrid machine, like the world has come close to ending in the time we've done without one, I always wonder as well if there is at least some kind of logical rendering anyone has put together. Some idea. Something thought out. Anything that would make this make more sense. But there never is.

 

[Precision Gem]

I think we are discussing 2 different things. You won't switch because you prefer the mac OS, which isn't really what I was debating. It's all good, I think we were just debating different things.

I'm curious though, how do you power and/or recharge your keyboard and mouse without any cables?

Both the keyboard and mouse are wireless, and take standard AA batteries.

So when I travel for work, I do have the company provided Windows Laptop and my iPad. In the hotel room, I have never taken out the Windows laptop, I always just use the iPad. For me, it is faster and quicker for things such as email, web browsing and checking in for my next flight. I have apps for all the airlines I use, which are faster than going to their websites, plus the boarding passes are then on my Apple Watch.

 

[agentx]

So you are proposing Apple limit new functionality of an OS update so that it can run on older, less capable hardware? technology has a very short life cycle in terms of upgradability and to limit upgrades to what is now EOL'd hardware would not be a wise move. It would take resources that can be better used creating newer versions o fetch OS and would require tradeoffs to ensure adequate performance on older hardware that would deliver a less than capable OS on newer hardware.

The older hardware still runs and functions as it did when purchased,, it just lacks the capability to run the latest release.

No i am proposing that perfectly useful hardware thats a bit older should still have ability to run older versions of iOS so that it actually works. Lots of people have iPads 2s which become pretty useless on iOS8/iOS9 and there is no way to roll back to 7 where they work perfectly well for most peoples use cases. This is all about firmware signing nothing more. ie. Choice to run an older iOS would be good. I get a new iPad every couple of years but millions of people have iPad 2s, many got handed down and loads in Edu too which iOS 9 has crippled creating a very sub standard user experience...not really what Apple want.

 

[Macintox]

When I travel i take a MBair 13" to work and an ipad air 3 to browse and read + 2 power supply . I thought about buying a macbook 12" to gain on weigt and take only one. But the Macbook is anemic, has no ports, very unpractical to read. Ipad has no ports, no file browser, no expansion, and can't be used to work etc..
Many are in the same case and will give the sutrface pro a try. T.Cook is paid to deny but he knows Apple has been left behind on hybrids.
Many carmakers made a joke about the toyota prius, more than a couple of millions later they are all trying to catch up. Nº1 VW would not be in the **** they are now if they had sold hybrids instead of Diesel.
Apple is Nº1 but they do not have right now what many people want. If they had we won't be writing these comments. Will it show on results ? they will deny it but time will tell.

 

[LordVic]

Of course they wont. Apple needs you to buy two or more devices.

Convergence means selling less overall.

Microsoft is able to bring about convergence devices because there would be no cannabilism of their own market. Up until the Surface Lineups, there were no "Microsoft" hardware devices. They could come up with a convergent device and not have to lose out on either tablet or laptop sales.

IN Apple's case, where they currently make some good money on both Tablets, AND laptops, they would lose out possible sales of likely both. For a company whose profit is their primary motivation, this would seem counter productive, and therefore, not a logical choice to make.