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I just don't feel comforted with the facade of end to end encryption, and Apple not listening until after Hey Siri prompts. End to end encryption really doesn't matter if the ends, or endpoints (the device) themselves are cracked, backdoored, or otherwise exposed be it by hackers, govt agencies, foreign govt agencies, etc. end to end just prevents spying in transit... Call it paranoia, I call it being practical in light of the tech climate of 2017. We're being spied on. The more microphones and cameras, the more equipment and means to collect more data.

I think the fact that CIA has its own dedicated department to cracking Apple devices, just makes me thing its cool Apple is PR wise on the side of privacy and security, definitely way more of an effort than Google that doesn't even pretend they don't sell your info off, but still just a comfort blanket facade of sorts.

Plus, of course we don't know how the story behind these requests, but this just doesn't bring comfort from my perspective the magnitude of the requests,
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/23/apple-2016-government-transparency-report/

I don't think spying will be specific to HomePod its just general practice, and parts of the product do seem cool, I'm just not at all interested/the market for it is ultimately what it boils down to. I barely find use for my bluetooth jawbone speaker (don't even know where it is, its a cheap one though), let alone getting a beats speaker, let alone this.

I'd rather put $349 towards the financial ding from next iPhone,

But if you're a Sonos inclined person, its not a bad idea to consider. still, you're relying on Siri and apple's poop software and taking a leap of faith


Having said all that, maybe I'm completely off my rocker,

I ridiculed AirPods but they've proven to be one of my favorite products of modern Apple times. so I've been wrong before..

but this doesn't appear to be that,
You probably need to leave the internet.
 
I just don't feel comforted with the facade of end to end encryption, and Apple not listening until after Hey Siri prompts. End to end encryption really doesn't matter if the ends, or endpoints (the device) themselves are cracked, backdoored, or otherwise exposed be it by hackers, govt agencies, foreign govt agencies, etc. end to end just prevents spying in transit... Call it paranoia, I call it being practical in light of the tech climate of 2017. We're being spied on. The more microphones and cameras, the more equipment and means to collect more data.

I think the fact that CIA has its own dedicated department to cracking Apple devices, just makes me thing its cool Apple is PR wise on the side of privacy and security, definitely way more of an effort than Google that doesn't even pretend they don't sell your info off, but still just a comfort blanket facade of sorts.

Plus, of course we don't know how the story behind these requests, but this just doesn't bring comfort from my perspective the magnitude of the requests,
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/23/apple-2016-government-transparency-report/

I don't think spying will be specific to HomePod its just general practice, and parts of the product do seem cool, I'm just not at all interested/the market for it is ultimately what it boils down to. I barely find use for my bluetooth jawbone speaker (don't even know where it is, its a cheap one though), let alone getting a beats speaker, let alone this.

I'd rather put $349 towards the financial ding from next iPhone,

But if you're a Sonos inclined person, its not a bad idea to consider. still, you're relying on Siri and apple's poop software and taking a leap of faith


Having said all that, maybe I'm completely off my rocker,

I ridiculed AirPods but they've proven to be one of my favorite products of modern Apple times. so I've been wrong before..

but this doesn't appear to be that,
This speaker would be closed end, there would be no way to really hack into it physically.
 
I'm blown away by the price to be honest.

I was in for $249.

$349 is just ridiculous

Really good AirPlay speakers start at $249, and none of them are as intelligent nor as versatile as HomePod. If it sounds as good as Apple claims, it's looking like a tremendous value.
 
This speaker would be closed end, there would be no way to really hack into it physically.

'no way to hack into it physically'

'no way' + 'physically' statements are both throwing me off here.
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Really good AirPlay speakers start at $249, and none of them are as intelligent nor as versatile as HomePod. If it sounds as good as Apple claims, it's looking like a tremendous value.

it is a bit overpriced but maybe not CRAZY overpriced.

whenever they have to make comparisons to an equivalent product as a preface, you know they're gonna lay on the heat a little.

Like saying a comparable spec'd machine would cost $7000, and pricing iMac pro at $5000 like its some crazy steal.
 
I am however wondering how the speaker 'detects the space' in which it is placed in.
Well it has 7 tweeters and 6 microphones, both in radial arrays. So I would imagine it goes through a cycle of outputting sound in various configurations and then reading the delay and perhaps comparing the frequency change when the sound returns to the microphones. It could then form a rough approximation of its surroundings, including possibly the nature of the materials (soft sound-deadening fabric, hard sound-reflecting wood, etc.). Probably has to make some noise to set it up although maybe it can do it ultrasonically.
 
Intriguing question: If you had one upstairs & one downstairs & you said "Hey, Siri...', would both react? Or just the one in the room?

If could you make it say: "Siri, Intercom on." to ask the person downstairs to bring some toast upstairs (ending w/: "Siri, Intercom off."), you could have an intercom system.
 
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The hype Apple spews these days is almost insulting. Blown away.... What by sound quality? By Siri being able to hear you on the other side of the room? It's a speaker like all the other speakers. Maybe it sounds as good as a Bose, or as crappy as the overhyped Beats. Either way, it's hyped, over priced, and just another in-house speaker.

C'mon Apple. Do you realize you are still selling a Mac mini that is three years old and old technology? An AirPort Extreme that is no longer being developed, a Mac Pro that even you admitted missed the mark?
 
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The iPod HiFI was a terrific speaker hat was insanely high quality and also expensive. This looks to be the sequel to that terrific product, only with an even better industrial design. Otherwise, this is a great looking product that will probably sound awesome. I don't get the hate at all.

Apple is a luxury brand. Deal with it. Pay up or leave.

It's hyped as a luxury brand because of fanboys like you, but the technology is more hype than substance.

Have you ever auditioned a pair of $50,000 speakers? "Pay up or leave", right? I have.

Some expensive "luxury brand" speakers I have sampled sound like crap. I have auditioned speakers that were taller than I am, some sat on a shelf, some had speaker cables that were suspended by wood blocks that cost $50 a piece and speaker cable that was $150 a foot. Snake oil is a common phrase in the audiophile world, but people pay for it. I call it stupidity. Well up to a point.

I cannot say for sure if the Homepod is a good sounding product or not, but I can say putting Apple on a luxury brand pedestal is short sighted and rather ignorant. Almost as ignorant as telling people to pay up or leave.
 
You would have to hack into apple servers first, this thing only connects to apple so how would a hacker connect to it?

lol idk I don't have that level of technical prowess

all I know is if it has a microphone, and its connected to the internet, its prone.

For example, how odd is it that my location services on my nTB 10.12.5 mac says "determine time zone" when I've unchecked all location services related to time zone, specific apps, etc. the only reason I didn't uncheck it alltogether is because I want find my Mac on in case my Mac ever gets stolen.

How can it be determining time zone when I've unchecked that specifically? lol
and why is it checking my time zone multiple times a day? Prolly is find my Mac but sketch.


...are people really debating that a consumer IoT-type device like this with a microphone, offered by a company like Apple, isn't immune to the tools and powers and ways of spying intelligence agencies at the very least? And especially after all the revelations of spying without any cause or regard for privacy..

Like is that genuinely up for debate? I didn't know,

I don't want to de-rail from the topic of this post in general, as people want to discuss the product not delving further into why I believe this is a good device that's an extension for spying, but not unique to this product and/or new practice.

End to end means little. Signal anyone? Cracked endpoints ended up meaning end to end encryption is a facade. Nice but not the silver bullet.
 
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The hype Apple spews these days is almost insulting. Blown away.... What by sound quality? By Siri being able to hear you on the other side of the room? It's a speaker like all the other speakers. Maybe it sounds as good as a Bose, or as crappy as the overhyped Beats. Either way, it's hyped, over priced, and just another in-house speaker.

C'mon Apple. Do you realize you are still selling a Mac mini that is three years old and old technology? An AirPort Extreme that is no longer being developed, a Mac Pro that even you admitted missed the mark?

I've always wanted a Sonos speaker, and the HomePod fits the bill. Engadget reports that the sound quality is even better than the Play:3.

I will buying the HomePod on day 1.
 
I've always wanted a Sonos speaker, and the HomePod fits the bill. Engadget reports that the sound quality is even better than the Play:3.

I will buying the HomePod on day 1.

I had the Play 3 and the Play 5. Both were OK, but not even close to blown away quality. I returned them both. I am sure the Homepod will sound pretty good, but unless it is something really special, it is just another speaker. It's all about the hype.

Apple knows their brand brings a premium, quality or not. I love Apple products, but I feel they are resting too much on the laurels of their great innovator Steve Jobs. Eventually you have to deliver. We shall see.

To be honest, I really could not tell how great the speaker was by the sound wave simulation during the keynote. Was anybody else convinced?
 
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Airpods all over again. People saying meh too expensive uuntil they buy them

Could be. I do admit that is a possibility. I personally believe a remote possibility but one nonetheless.

Airpods addressed cord tangle though in real world use, coupled with having to resort to use that annoying lightning adapter it sweetened the deal. And using one airpod as an awesome discrete jawbone at times, or both doesn't matter.

I just don't see this filling a huge need for tons and tons of people. I could be wrong but
 
I'm blown away by the price to be honest.

I was in for $249.

$349 is just ridiculous

I'll gladly pay $100 premium or more to get this capability without having Amazon or Google snooping on my life 24/7 and selling me to their advertisers.
 
I had the Play 3 and the Play 5. Both were OK, but not even close to blown away quality. I returned them both. I am sure the Homepod will sound pretty good, but unless it is something really special, it is just another speaker. It's all about the hype.

Apple knows their brand brings a premium, quality or not. I love Apple products, but I feel they are resting too much on the laurels of their great innovator Steve Jobs. Eventually you have to deliver. We shall see.

To be honest, I really could not tell how great the speaker was by the sound wave simulation during the keynote. Wast anybody else convinced?

I would be happy with Play:3 to Play:5 quality.

Could be. I do admit that is a possibility. I personally believe a remote possibility but one nonetheless.

Airpods addressed cord tangle though in real world use, coupled with having to resort to use that annoying lightning adapter it sweetened the deal. And using one airpod as an awesome discrete jawbone at times, or both doesn't matter.

I just don't see this filling a huge need for tons and tons of people. I could be wrong but

I don't see it being as popular as AirPods, simply because AirPods are cheaper, but I do see the HomePod being successful.

People that doubted the AirPods, don't understand the market, and the same thing is happening to the WiFi speaker market.

Ask yourself this, why is Sonos so successful? High quality sound, ease of use, and whole house speaker setup. The HomePod checks all of these and if I were Sonos, I'd be very worried.
 
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I would be happy with Play:3 to Play:5 quality.

Absolutely. It is a good sounding speaker. The software works, and it does a fine job. I just have issues with the Apple hype these days. Almost like a used car salesman. But don't get me wrong Microsoft does it too, not to mention they copied the whole Apple keynote concept.
 
Absolutely. It is a good sounding speaker. The software works, and it does a fine job. I just have issues with the Apple hype these days. Almost like a used car salesman. But don't get me wrong Microsoft does it too, not to mention they copied the whole Apple keynote concept.

There are some products that don't deserve the hype, but I think the HomePod does. People had a similar negative reaction to AirPods and they were totally wrong.
 
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