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And I love commenters that reply without reading. I never said you can only like the machine if you're brainwashed or self-deluded. I said if you compare the Razer Blade to the 2016MBP and think Apple has a good machine that's not ripping you off, you're brainwashed and self-deluded.

You can still like the machine, there's plenty of reasons to still buy it which I mentioned in my post. But if you can't admit to yourself you're getting very little computer for a heck of a lot of money compared to what else is on the market, then you're brainwashed and self-deluded. The 2016MBP is not a marvel of engineering, it's a marvel of marketing and social engineering.
This is absolutely spot on. I buy stuff because I like it. Might be Apple, might be Porsche, might be Oliver Sweeney. But I don't kid myself into thinking that objectively I’m buying the best product out there because I’m not.
It’s a compromise of features coupled with the feel good factor you get with a brand you like/trust which adds up to personal value.
Objectively, there are cars that have more space and better mileage handling and ride than the one I have, but I like the one I have and that’s the reason I bought it.
 
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The thing is, a normal consumer doesnt give 2 f**ks about the newest tech. Theyre about looks and ability to perform their daily tasks like email and safari.

What's considered a "Normal consumer?" I consider myself someone who doesn't specialize as a graphic designer or what have you. I do a lot more than just "Check my E-mail" or browse "Safari." I certainly researched the tech before I purchased mine and rightfully so, and if you are spending a high dollar amount, you better research what you're purchasing. Your opinion seems to be kind of a broad stroked assumption unless you have data showing what the average user uses their MacBook Pro for.
 
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That tends to happen when there are no major releases for 4 years and people want new technology.

That sounds good on a tech website, but the 5% of consumers using these sites rarely share the same knowledge of general consumers. I'm willing to bet a large percentage of customers responsible for those sales have no clue that it's been years since a major update.
 
What's considered a "Normal consumer?" I consider myself someone who doesn't specialize as a graphic designer or what have you. I do a lot more than just "Check my E-mail" or browse "Safari." I certainly researched the tech before I purchased mine and rightfully so, and if you are spending a high dollar amount, you better research what you're purchasing. Your opinion seems to be kind of a broad stroked assumption unless you have data showing what the average user uses their MacBook Pro for.
A normal consumer is the type that buys a product where that product is the one most commonly sold……….
 
A normal consumer is the type that buys a product where that product is the one most commonly sold……….

And which model across the The Mac lineup is the most commonly sold...... How would someone be able to Determine that based on their needs/specifics?
 
That sounds good on a tech website, but the 5% of consumers using these sites rarely share the same knowledge of general consumers. I'm willing to bet a large percentage of customers responsible for those sales have no clue that it's been years since a major update.

And how many of these clueless consumers you're talking about are going to spend $3000 on a MBP rather than $1200 on a MB?

If you're the kind of person who doesn't know exactly what you're buying, the MB is perfect for you and you're not going to pay a premium for an MBP. Very few people will pay an extra $600 for the emojibar without understanding what they're buying, and even fewer will spend $3000 on a 15" laptop unless they know exactly what they're buying. There's plenty of good $1000 15" laptops, you're not going to blow another $2k for an Apple logo. For $3k you know what you're buying unless you're in the very small minority for whom $3000 is a whim purchase.
 
And which model across the The Mac lineup is the most commonly sold...... How would someone be able to Determine that based on their needs/specifics?
I don’t know. Point is when people use the term normal user, I’m pretty sure that they mean that guy that that goes to Apple and just buys. I’m generalising but I’m guessing most, ‘normal’, users are not techy. These are the ones that buy what they are told they need.
 
I did exact same thing. Now I need to figure out my transition to a linux laptop. I don't think I can live with touchbar and lack of decent range of ports including magsafe. F u apple for ruining perfection.

For Linux and ports check out 2.5# Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 5th gen and 3# T470s.

http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptop...inkPad-X1-Carbon-5th-Generation/p/22TP2TXX15G
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http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-t-series/T470s/p/22TP2TT470S
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And how many of these clueless consumers you're talking about are going to spend $3000 on a MBP rather than $1200 on a MB?

If you're the kind of person who doesn't know exactly what you're buying, the MB is perfect for you and you're not going to pay a premium for an MBP. Very few people will pay an extra $600 for the emojibar without understanding what they're buying, and even fewer will spend $3000 on a 15" laptop unless they know exactly what they're buying. There's plenty of good $1000 15" laptops, you're not going to blow another $2k for an Apple logo. For $3k you know what you're buying unless you're in the very small minority for whom $3000 is a whim purchase.

If it was 15-20 years ago I would agree with you 100% on that statement. Today way too many people buy into the "expensive means I need it" mentality. And the credit card companies support it. Look how many 0% interest if paid in 6,12,18, or 24 months cards there are now. Kids in middle school and high school walk around with $800 cell phones. People with entry level salaries drive around in $60,000 SUV's. People shove $2,500 TV's into the room they are renting. Yes, for many with proper thinking, the MacBook works great and that is what they purchase. Unfortunately, spending trends are way different now and way more people buy that MBP just because of one cool feature or because price alone makes it seem better to them. Heck, I've seen people needing help to do basic things like email and word documents on their $2500 computers.
 
I want a Mac mini :mad:

the last mac mini i've purchased (2014 model) is nice but the CPU is pretty slow, watch out on CPU performance on the lower end models. Mine luckily is just used headless twice a year to update some iOS app ...

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Fake News ;)

Lets agree on "alternative facts".
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Because users had no real choice if they wanted OS X.

Depending on usecase, there is choice:

a) VMware unlocker (for office stuff thats doing well)
b) Get any other laptop (i went for thinkpad with linux), connect to a headless mac mini via VNC.
c) Hackintosh

I'm doing both a+b and both works well (except mac mini 2014's 1.4 GHz CPU is a slow PoS i'd shop for a better CPU next time).

At first i was hesitating on switching to Linux for full time work. Turned out good and i'm very happy with it, don't even want to go back. At least for developers this is a true alternative. If you want to do video, multimedia, music, etc. this won't be a choice for you obviously.
 
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I did exact same thing. Now I need to figure out my transition to a linux laptop. I don't think I can live with touchbar and lack of decent range of ports including magsafe. F u apple for ruining perfection.

Have a look at Thinkpad X250, X260, X270, X1 Carbon 2017, t450s, t460s, t470s ... all of them are great machines. Some have exchangeable second battery, some don't. T450s i7 gives me 13 hours battery life with the big battery pack. the X2?? series can have 16GB ram (1x16), the T4xx series 20GB (4+16).

You might want to check out "VMware unlocker" for running OSX inside VMware on Linux, too. (in case you have some legacy apps during translation). Using "Remmina" to remote log into a mac mini works well, too. Transfering all emails from Apple Mail into Thunderbird works well with "Emailchemy" and "Mail Exporter Pro".

I went for ElementaryOS linux because it's slick looks which is similar to the OSX look and feel and it is Ubuntu based. The global dark mode is awesome. If you need the tweaks for the touchpad so it feels like the Apple one (or even better), this is what i'm using with the synaptics driver:

synclient MaxSpeed=4.5
synclient MinSpeed=0.25
synclient AccelFactor=0.015
synclient RightButtonAreaLeft=4500
synclient RightButtonAreaTop=3500
synclient RightButtonAreaBottom=5000
synclient FingerLow=25
synclient FingerHigh=30


This is for the thinkpad X and T series touchpads.
 
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Still rocking my rMBP 2012 thought I would have upgraded this year but the truth is I don't need too thank god. I upgraded the ram and cpu at the time and total cost was something like £1900 what I remember. It's a great machine for my needs.
 
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Are you saying you use the TouchBar less than you used the old Function keys it replaced?

It's quite possible. The keys I mostly hit on the top row are the volume control keys (and then the ESC key and occasionally the power key or the brightness controls). For context-dependent things, I use the command-keys, which are easier to reach. If the keys I use weren't hard-wired, then I'd personally have no reason to use any function keys at all...
 
Still rocking my rMBP 2012
Same here, I have a nice 15" MBP from 2012 its doing great, though the battery probably could use replacing. Prior to Apple unveiling the new MBP, I was thinking/hoping to buy a new one, but now not so much.

I'll see if Apple addresses the shortcomings in the 2017 model
 
What's considered a "Normal consumer?" I consider myself someone who doesn't specialize as a graphic designer or what have you. I do a lot more than just "Check my E-mail" or browse "Safari." I certainly researched the tech before I purchased mine and rightfully so, and if you are spending a high dollar amount, you better research what you're purchasing. Your opinion seems to be kind of a broad stroked assumption unless you have data showing what the average user uses their MacBook Pro for.

Unbox Therapy pretty much summed it up when he said your average user would be better off with their old MBP and a used car.

That being said good for Apple that they sold more when the rest of the PC industry seems to be in decline.
 
Of course there are record sales and revenue.
They didnt release a new macbook for couple of years so demand for a new one was strong. And the other important factor is last years specs, which are dirt cheap for Apple but they still sell it as it would have flagship specs. Nothing new here.
 
I have 13'' touch bar Macbook pro.
It is a fantastic machine.
Mac has been expensive for quite sometime. Don't buy if you think pricy.
Innovation does not come overnight. It is a continuous process. Don't refer Jobs lightly. He is a legendary visionary who also made numerous trials and errors.
 
Unbox Therapy pretty much summed it up when he said your average user would be better off with their old MBP and a used car.

Only though when referring to the Macbook Pro, people really did want a faster horse and not a car that powers off after a few miles.
 
Better keyboard...that piece of crap in the 2016 should be banned as cruel and unusual torture. That alone is a 100% deal-breaker.

Better display huh? Bright != better, for example with alienware, the 400 nits 120Hz display is an inferior TN, while the better IPS display is 300 nits, 60Hz. I use a calibrated/profiled display and part of that is turning the brightness way down.

Better processor....the machine is nearly 2 years newer and the 2015 had an old CPU for its time, it damn well better be better and 100% of the credit goes to Intel. And the non-emojibar model has a vastly inferior processor despite the price hike. So yeah, the 2016 base MBP is an inferior CPU to the base 2015 MBP. Despite the higher price tag. That's inexcusable.

Thinner body. The 2015 is plenty thin. The 2016 is a cheap toy that level of thinness is not a perk, and if you think it is, the MB is even thinner, go buy that.

The 15" is an even bigger joke price/performance-wise, so mentioning the anemic GPU isn't doing it any favours.

Nothing screams high end mac like getting rid of the glowing apple logo and chime right? They're tiny things, but literally every single thing about this design says cost cutting. And they delivered something that looks and feels like a cheap piece of junk. How much does it cost to insert a translucent piece of plastic in the lid? 5 cents? Too much for Timmy obviously. But let's kill the brand a little bit more.

And getting rid of magsafe was another huge mistake.
You're too salty to reason with. Have a good day.
 
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