Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Yes, let's go to a complete populist voting system for POTUS and have it smartphone enabled too, so that Kim K or JAYZ can win next.

Do a google search on "mob rule"... the founders were not fans of it which is why we have the representative system we do.

Interesting. That could be a solution. I'm sure there are others.
BTW - I said a successor. I did not propose a solution. :rolleyes:
 
Ah OK that does explain it better. I think it SHOULD cost Apple and other companies more money to have to employ Americans.

Non-existent citizens of the USA?! We still import nurses. There are plenty of lawyers, though!
[doublepost=1457455606][/doublepost]
A lot of tech and other large companies benefit and will benefit from getting cheap labor through H-1B visa worker programs. They will save a LOT of money on payroll costs by hiring cheap workers from Mexico, India, etc. That is why they are against Trump, he has gone on record as saying he will drastically reduce these programs. It is going to cost Apple and these other companies a lot of cash.

The majority, legal imports from Mexico are a stark contrast to the legal imports from Taiwan, India, Japan, or South Korea!
 
Non-existent citizens of the USA?! We still import nurses. There are plenty of lawyers, though!
[doublepost=1457455606][/doublepost]

The majority, legal imports from Mexico are a stark contrast to the legal imports from Taiwan, India, Japan, or South Korea!

I'm not understanding your point here, brother.
 
What has led to Trump's success? Simple, we have had too many politicians that have been bought out by some corporation or another and the one thing Trump does have going for him is he doesn't need money from any of them.

That being said, he is indeed unfit to be president, but so are all of the other front runners, so what do we do?
 
A lot of tech and other large companies benefit and will benefit from getting cheap labor through H-1B visa worker programs. They will save a LOT of money on payroll costs by hiring cheap workers from Mexico, India, etc. That is why they are against Trump, he has gone on record as saying he will drastically reduce these programs. It is going to cost Apple and these other companies a lot of cash.

Lol, it's (almost) cute that you believe drivel like this.
Look... obviously you're caught in Trump's gaze or whatever, but PLEASE just try to think about this logically for a brief moment. Apple (and all other tech companies) get their "cheap labor" OUT OF COUNTRY at places like Foxconn. These factories literally could not exist in America. At one factory, they have 450,000 workers. In America... we can't even conceive of that!
Imagine this... say that factory magically fit in Los Angeles. One in six of all citizens of LA would have to work there!! Are you starting to comprehend this at all?? We are NOT a labor based industrial nation anymore... the industrial revolution occurred here in the 1800's. NO citizens want us to revert to that.
Apple employees here in the states get paid AMERICAN wages.
Lol, do you really think Cupertino has a lot of high level programmers hidden away in rooms working for the same three dollars a day that Foxconn laborers make??
 
I both agree & disagree (respectfully)...
I agree that we need someone NOT in the pockets of wealthy. But I disagree that Trump "deserves a chance". I think his possible election is the single most dangerous thing we've faced this century. I think he could single-handedly set our nation back fifty years.
I imagine Americans being spit on when deboarding planes in other countries (if we are still welcome there at all), I imagine a nation "banning" Muslims... singling out citizens in a way that we haven't seen since we were putting Japanese Americans in "internment camps", I see civil liberties going away (as he's already called for in his opinions on legalizing torture & how this Apple vs. FBI should be handled), I see us headed down a DANGEROUS road that we could never recover from.... if he were to be elected.
Perhaps it is unfair- but if you ask an American: "close your eyes & picture a German soldier- they will picture a Nazi"... that is a stereotype lasting sixty years!!!!
THAT is the type of thing that would happen to the world's view of America under Trump.


Actually, I am a Canadian, and please consider this: Canadians used to proudly put Canada flags on our luggage and backpacks when we would go travelling around the world. Nobody does that anymore, Why? it's because our previous government was a puppet of the USA.

Setting things back 50 years would probably be a lot better than the Neocon mess you have now in the USA.

Trump won't be making things worse, he will be rapidly fixing America. He can see through a lot of the issues unlike the other politicians who are owned.

As far as reacting to Trumps politically incorrect statements, I do see your point - it's horrible for a president to talk about torture, but really, look at the real situation, the real status quo. Obama wanted to shut down Guantanamo, and does anyone even realize why you guys have that horrible place? You have it so you can imprison people without giving them human rights! That's the whole purpose of having that dungeon. 8 years later and Obama can't close it? So what is the difference what Trump says about it. The reality is America has tortured people in there.

Politicians are twisted. Trump has caused quite a stir. People don't want politicians that are paid off by special interest groups.

What we are seeing now is the establishment trying to figure out where to spend mega bucks to once again control the election and who gets in power. Trump is self funded and is not spending nearly as much money on advertising. This interests me.

Hey one more thing. What percentage of the American population actually turns out to vote? Check that out and compare to Canada or Europe - it's interesting.

Check out infant mortality rate - how does this country of exceptional citizens fair when it comes to infant mortality?

How about education? Exceptional again? Lol. How many of the presidential candidates know the population of Canada or can name the Capital city of Canada or the official languages. Do they know that Africa is not a country? I betcha you can trip up some presidential candidates with this type of grade 6 geography stuff. That's presidential candidates, not people off the street.

Oh and "Obamacare" - socialized medical services is what you need, but Obama cannot go against the people who own him, so that's why it can't work. The American Medical Association and the Drug Companies have lots of lobbyists who pay off and own the politicians. If you want efficient healthcare, you can copycat European countries or maybe even Canada, but the real factor here is that the AMA doctors do not want to take a huge pay cut. Doctors need to be rich in America and won't allow the efficiency. On this issue, America probably has a better chance of a reformed healthcare system with Trump, who is not owned. He can force the issue. Can you imagine who is going to get ruffled feathers over that stuff? Forget that he is a "Republican" - Trump has the best chance of bringing sensible healthcare to America as strange as it may seem to you.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: yaxomoxay
Typical left-wing knee jerk reaction that the only reason anyone dislikes Obama is because of skin color. Amazingly enough a lot of people dislike Obama because of his character... which is weak. If you want to talk about skin color Obama has done more to rewind race relations in this country than any president since LBJ.

Instead of talking about how Americans of all creeds and colors need to come together to solve our problems Obama continues to polarize everything and put people in boxes based on the color of their skin. He talks about how before he was a senator white women have clutched their bag when he gets into an elevator wearing a business suit without acknowledging that black men commit an overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of violent crime in the USA. He vilifies the NRA and yet white-washes the actual violent action of terrorist organizations like The Black Panthers. He takes a case that was ultimately ruled lawful self defense and turns it into "if I had a kid he'd look like Treyvon".

Barack Obama has been a terrible, terrible president. I don't care how much they like him in the UK or Germany.

The Black Panthers is a Fox News manufactured boogeyman. Seriously... I saw more white thugs in a black areas voting site than any scary blacks...
 
Lol, it's (almost) cute that you believe drivel like this.
Look... obviously you're caught in Trump's gaze or whatever, but PLEASE just try to think about this logically for a brief moment. Apple (and all other tech companies) get their "cheap labor" OUT OF COUNTRY at places like Foxconn. These factories literally could not exist in America. At one factory, they have 450,000 workers. In America... we can't even conceive of that!
Imagine this... say that factory magically fit in Los Angeles. One in six of all citizens of LA would have to work there!! Are you starting to comprehend this at all?? We are NOT a labor based industrial nation anymore... the industrial revolution occurred here in the 1800's. NO citizens want us to revert to that.
Apple employees here in the states get paid AMERICAN wages.
Lol, do you really think Cupertino has a lot of high level programmers hidden away in rooms working for the same three dollars a day that Foxconn laborers make??

Your condescending tone aside, companies are bringing in cheap labor to work here. There are senate hearings being conducted now on the topic. There was a very publicized testimony from Disney workers about how they are having to train there foreign replacements here in the, you guessed it, the USA.

Most of the jobs being lost are the programming, software jobs. No one ever claimed that they were industrial jobs (not sure why you pulled that out of the air, but whatever).
 
  • Like
Reactions: 997440
We need someone to turn our government on its head and to start over. Get all of these lobbyists out, with nothing but their interests in mind. Put us, the people back in control of what's going on.

Sadly, the best person for the job doesn't win elections. Many say they are too smart to run, and others think that their past, full or mistakes they won't hide from, would be made into a powerful weapon.

But, yes, money is the enemy here. Fox News pays their talking heads close to $15 million dollars a year to lie. Constantly.
 
  • Like
Reactions: v0lume4
I'm not understanding your point here, brother.

We have a shortage of skilled workers, hard workers - our schooling system is discouraging! An engineer in any field is in his or her 30's before graduating - and laden with loans that are wasteful at least for the first four years of college!

USA cannot natively supply its manpower in medicine, computing, engineering, technology, etc. Lawyers, we have aplenty!
 
Sadly, the best person for the job doesn't win elections. Many say they are too smart to run, and others think that their past, full or mistakes they won't hide from, would be made into a powerful weapon.

But, yes, money is the enemy here. Fox News pays their talking heads close to $15 million dollars a year to lie. Constantly.

They get paid more because more people watch FOXNEWS. Do you prefer the inexpensive lies of Maddow or the expensive lies of Kelly?
 
Slightly OT, but Trump boycotting Apple just makes me want to use Apple stuff more now. :lol:
 
If its all the same to you, I won't be swallowing anything that a perfect stranger on the internet tries to sell me. I am no fan of Bush or virtually any Republican ( I do like Tom Cotton). I do believe that Obama is a worse version of Bush. He has the same crazy spending addiction and the same allergies to the truth.

It's a free country (for those that can afford it). Believe what you want.

But Cotton DID send a letter to another world leader telling them not to trust our president. If Obama was a 'horrible dictator', he would have had Cotton and everyone that signed that traitorous trash shot dead.

Think about it, or don't, but be sure to vote for that 'perfect stranger' on Fox News because they sure make more money than I do...
 
Sure, what world needs is another neo-nazi leader. US must do "better" than Russia so let's up the game and find even crazier person than Putin aka Trump. Adolf Hitler would approve.

Comparing Trump to Hitler. How refreshing.

Your argument is basically this:

Openly racist person that wants to legally expel people is the same as someone that launched genocide against many groups of people. Good job.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dk001
I have no interest in arguing with you. You are clearly imbedded deeply into your belief system and no amount of factual data will sway you. I'd like to see how anyone is being denied the right to vote through voter ID laws. I remember seeing the Black Panthers outside of polling stations in Chicago deterring white people from voting in 2012. Are those the people you are referring to as the ones being denied the right to vote? Hacked voting machines are a problem. I remember reports of how machines were changing Romney votes to Obama in 2012. I remember how during the contested Al Franken Senate race Minnesota they found a trunk full of absentee voter ballots all filled out for Al Franken after the 3rd or 4th recount.

Everyone should have to have a picture ID to vote. Every legal U.S. citizen can get a picture ID from the DMV. It is completely absurd that if I buy an iPod Shuffle from the Apple store online I need to produce a picture ID to pick it up in the store, but I don't need to show a picture ID to vote. It makes no sense. The vote is supposed to be sacred, it should be granted to all LEGAL US citizens and PROTECTED at all costs from ALL FORMS OF FRAUD.

86 year-old veteran denied his right to vote in Ohio.

Texas judge almost denied her right to vote.

Texas veteran denied his right to vote.

And there are literally countless other stories just like these. Oh, both Ann Coulter, and Liz Cheney have been accused of voting more than once in the same election.

Many states also bar convicted persons from voting. Some are as inane as misdemeanor convictions, and bar you for life.


The truth is out there. Just hope you aren't someday barred from voting.
[doublepost=1457457006][/doublepost]
They get paid more because more people watch FOXNEWS. Do you prefer the inexpensive lies of Maddow or the expensive lies of Kelly?

:rolleyes:
 
It's a free country (for those that can afford it). Believe what you want.

But Cotton DID send a letter to another world leader telling them not to trust our president. If Obama was a 'horrible dictator', he would have had Cotton and everyone that signed that traitorous trash shot dead.

Think about it, or don't, but be sure to vote for that 'perfect stranger' on Fox News because they sure make more money than I do...

Why are you jumping to ridiculous extremes? Why ask questions about Obama being a dictator. A letter about not trusting Obama is just that, a letter saying not to trust him. You trying to make a corolaion between untrustworthy and dictator is foolish.
 
Your condescending tone aside, companies are bringing in cheap labor to work here. There are senate hearings being conducted now on the topic. There was a very publicized testimony from Disney workers about how they are having to train there foreign replacements here in the, you guessed it, the USA.

Most of the jobs being lost are the programming, software jobs. No one ever claimed that they were industrial jobs (not sure why you pulled that out of the air, but whatever).

I "pulled that out of the air" because those are the jobs Trump claims he's going to somehow reclaim (though it's literally impossible!); as I said- the infrastructure for those jobs can't (and shouldn't) exist here.
Look at how often he repeats the phrase "we gotta take these jobs back from China", lol... it's silly.
And he's said that the reason why jobs go elsewhere is because labor is cheaper there. His solution is to make labor cheaper here. If he had his way minimum wage here would be $.30/hour like in some third world countries & then Voila!!! problem solved; we can keep jobs here for the same price!!!
In a pig's eye are a few programming jobs what he's talking about or why Apple doesn't want this nutbag to become the most powerful man in the world.
Lol, soooooo.... why in your opinion is Elon Musk against him too?? Does he also need cheap programmers so badly? Your suppositions need some work!
 
Why are people saying that Trump is racist? That just blows my mind. He wants to build a wall to keep out illegals who bring crime and drugs into this country. He wants to TEMPORARILY block Muslims from entering the country in order to get control of the terrorism problem. Those things are not racist. They are necessary for the security of the nation.
 
Why are people saying that Trump is racist? That just blows my mind. He wants to build a wall to keep out illegals who bring crime and drugs into this country. He wants to TEMPORARILY block Muslims from entering the country in order to get control of the terrorism problem. Those things are not racist. They are necessary for the security of the nation.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention. Trump has a long and storied racist past.
 
Comparing Trump to Hitler. How refreshing.

Your argument is basically this:

Openly racist person that wants to legally expel people is the same as someone that launched genocide against many groups of people. Good job.

How is Trump racist? I missed that one.
 
Why are people saying that Trump is racist?

Because calling names is fashioned nowadays.
Then they (including Tim Cook) ask themselves why Trump is ahead in the polls and will likely get the nomination. They don't realize that people are tired that political conversation is about having an opinion in line or being called racist/homophobic/xenophobe/misogynist etc
 
Why are people saying that Trump is racist? That just blows my mind. He wants to build a wall to keep out illegals who bring crime and drugs into this country. He wants to TEMPORARILY block Muslims from entering the country in order to get control of the terrorism problem. Those things are not racist. They are necessary for the security of the nation.

Agreed

That Wall will bring dignity to Mexicans seeking the American dream - legal immigration and a chance for citizenship.

and yeah, what happens if Mexico takes Syrian refugees, and the bad ones sneak across the border?

America seems to depend on Mexican slaves, and Trump's wall stops it.
 
Last edited:
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.